Shishka's fresh start

shishkaboy · May 8, 2018

Day 7 veg update

Daily feeding to slight runoff seems to be working out. No signs of overwatering yet.

Still these c4 x n91s are mag hogs so I bumped it up again.

Close up of the stinker c4 x n91

Gotta work on automating the feeds now...

bsgospel · May 8, 2018

shishkaboy said:
So for the past few days I have been hemming and hawing with my cognative dissonace about weather or not a coco grow should be treated like a hydroponic medium.

I mean should I be saturating coco more frequently or using wet and dry cycles?

Found a thread by justiceman about coco root health and his pics are way too convincing to not hear him out.

So now Im trying daily doses of nutes to keep the roots healthy. I just transplanted the older seedling into party cups last night and hit them with their first .5 ec of npk, cal mag and some added mag.

Its really starting to come back together for me. I had to turn on my fan filter combo because the c4 x n91 (biggest one) is hella loud. Straight up chemmy funk and its a super small seedling just getting its first night cycles. There is a little scent coming from some others but nothing even close to that one plant.

The chemsssdh is giving me a slightly mentholy stem rub from the biggest one, but we still have a long way to go.

The justiceman route is the way to go, for sure. He put into words what coco reps should be saying all the time. Wet/dry cycles come into play if you have some sickly plant which shouldn't be picked on too hard. But a hearty and hale plant in coco will take everything you've got. The analogy/image I have in my head is: soak a sponge- squeeze it just once. That's how moist your coco should be at all times (seedlings make an exception.) You get that coco to rise up a bit, you're bringing in oxygen, too.

They look like they're bouncing back nicely. Can't put my finger on what happened exactly. Maybe a dumb question but did you wash that coco thoroughly before you planted? I usually only expect cotyledons to turn that color after a month or something.

You've got grow, cal-mag, P+ and mykos. Anything else?

This might be crazy but if you can get even a hint more of phosphorous in there, I think you'll see it work with the cal-mag a lot better.

shishkaboy · May 8, 2018

bsgospel said:
The justiceman route is the way to go, for sure. He put into words what coco reps should be saying all the time. Wet/dry cycles come into play if you have some sickly plant which shouldn't be picked on too hard. But a hearty and hale plant in coco will take everything you've got. The analogy/image I have in my head is: soak a sponge- squeeze it just once. That's how moist your coco should be at all times (seedlings make an exception.) You get that coco to rise up a bit, you're bringing in oxygen, too.

They look like they're bouncing back nicely. Can't put my finger on what happened exactly. Maybe a dumb question but did you wash that coco thoroughly before you planted? I usually only expect cotyledons to turn that color after a month or something.

You've got grow, cal-mag, P+ and mykos. Anything else?

This might be crazy but if you can get even a hint more of phosphorous in there, I think you'll see it work with the cal-mag a lot better.

More p ya say? I have a 0-50-30 bloom booster that I could use a little of. AS far as the coco being washed, I always wash it with tap water before using it.

I think I figured out what happened. Im gonna say I let the coco get too dry one time and thats what really did it not the 135 ppm feed twice in a row, it was 135 ppm dried up and super concentrated then a fed again. The tips burned and the plants stopped growing for near a month. Now I finally getting some good growth happening on a daily basis.

This my first time actually building my nutrient profiles from scratch and tailor making mixes for specific needs. I juts went back through this thread and its crazy how much salt I was throwing at the plants and still getting ok buds.

packerfan79 · May 8, 2018

shishkaboy said:
More p ya say? I have a 0-50-30 bloom booster that I could use a little of. AS far as the coco being washed, I always wash it with tap water before using it.

I think I figured out what happened. Im gonna say I let the coco get too dry one time and thats what really did it not the 135 ppm feed twice in a row, it was 135 ppm dried up and super concentrated then a fed again. The tips burned and the plants stopped growing for near a month. Now I finally getting some good growth happening on a daily basis.

This my first time actually building my nutrient profiles from scratch and tailor making mixes for specific needs. I juts went back through this thread and its crazy how much salt I was throwing at the plants and still getting ok buds.

I usually start my seeds in happy frog or light warrior, then I will transplant into coco. Makes the feeding a little simpler.

bsgospel · May 9, 2018

shishkaboy said:
More p ya say? I have a 0-50-30 bloom booster that I could use a little of.

Hmm, nah I'm not sure that's what we're looking for. Lil' too much K for what I was thinking. I'm not sure exactly what to suggest. Maybe if you come across a cheapo 0-10-0 or something like that. I just look at those ingredients and I hardly see any P. It's 3-2-6 you have now, right? Plus whatever nitrate you have in the calmag, maybe 4-2-6 when put together; which really is 4-.9-4 when adjusted for oxygen. Getting that .9 to match everything else should look dope in veg and flower.

shishkaboy · May 14, 2018

Quick update

New growth looking pretty ok. No purple stems!!! I had hear that not enough mag was the #1 problem but its crazy that pretty close to half my ec is coming from epsom salt.

Chemsssdh
This is the biggest and smelliest one of the chemsssdh. Im getting a slightly sweet pine aroma atm

...and last but nowhere near least my favorite plant atm
C4 x n91...stankin up the place.

@bsgospel...I forgot to ask about your formula for nute profiles and how to figure whats really in them out. I have jear of something kinda similar b4 but cant remember where...

And heres a linwheel platter feom work while im at ir

onavelzy · May 14, 2018

shishkaboy said:
Quick update

New growth looking pretty ok. No purple stems!!! I had hear that not enough mag was the #1 problem but its crazy that pretty close to half my ec is coming from epsom salt.
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Chemsssdh
This is the biggest and smelliest one of the chemsssdh. Im getting a slightly sweet pine aroma atm

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...and last but nowhere near least my favorite plant atm
C4 x n91...stankin up the place.

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@bsgospel...I forgot to ask about your formula for nute profiles and how to figure whats really in them out. I have jear of something kinda similar b4 but cant remember where...

And heres a linwheel platter feom work while im at ir
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Hey bro, just my viewpoint but, MORE FOOD PORN!! What's that right behind the pin wheels?

With respect to the plants, they're def looking better. FWIW, I resisted upping my EC in early veg and watched cycles of yellowing leaves. If that's happening for you, try something different: up the EC of the nutes and see what happens. I was pleasantly surprised when, instead of shriveling up into chemically induced toxic states, the plants completely reverted to normal green leaves and stems and vigorous growth. I'm not talking crazy concentrated stuff, just EC's in the 1.3 to 1.4 range in the solo cup stage, even the initial transplant out of the cloning stage. If they're yellow, they're not getting enough food is my current first thought.

theLumberjack · May 16, 2018

i really like adding mineral matrix every now and again if things are looking stressed. everything here looks really good to me. also plus 1 for watering every day. I have my coco on a titan short cycle timer with photocell to hit every 3 hours with a spritz while the lights are on. its to run off every day after i can see my roots in the holes in my pots.

bsgospel · May 16, 2018

In this case, I'm just trying to keep numbers balanced. And by balanced I mean 1-1-1

When labels list x-x-x numbers, the P and K aren't real numbers. Those are the numbers of the Form in which the P and K are delivered. Even when you figure out what the real P and K content numbers are, you will have to account for what form they are derived from.

P2O5- the P here is only 43% of the equation (now what form is it derived from? this varies and requires googling/research to check for conflicts with other elements or derivations. Coco is much easier than soil in this regard because the soil will be retaining and disposing of certain elements in a much hamfisted way sometimes.)
K2O - the K here is only 83% (annnnd see above)

So 3-2-6 is 3 - .86 - 4.98. That ratio is not 1-1-1. Other profiles ask for 1-2-1 because of our high demand for P, right? I think that's groovy, too. I just happen to be using Jack's hydro + calcinit right now which ends up being pretty damn close to a 1-1-1 ratio and shit looks great with little effort. That's 5-11-26 + 15-0-0, the N gets spent pretty fast and the K gets balanced by the calcium (and is also spent quickly.) I could use a tick more P myself.

shishkaboy · Oct 13, 2019

Got some more bagseed going

These are dark horse genetics "roidrage"

Got rid of the CFL and got a t5

Trying feeding at a higher ec/ppm from the start. Here the sweetarts got a feeding after a few days but the roid rages got the 435 ppm precharged in the coco...

shishkaboy · Oct 13, 2019

Roid rage

Roid rage

HGH (GMO Cookies x Bruce Banner) is one of our newer crosses made late 2018. The #8 phenotype that we found was almost identical to GMO Cookies in looks, taste, yield, but with the intense resin content of the GMO and Bruce Banner, The smell is mainly GMO, with a candied strawberry moth ball and DMT terpene profile. We needed to swap scissors several times to trim her because she was so sticky and resinous. When the Bitch Slap hit the HGH, things got very interesting.

The Bitch Slap brought the stretching of the HGH down a lot, giving you a short, squat, solid, fat plant that looks like It’s flexing on Muscle Beach. The ideal Roid Rage phenotype will have an incredible amount of trichomes, an amazing deep purple color on the flowers, and an aroma and flavor similar to a dead corpse doused in grapefruit gasoline, rotting in a strawberry field. Expect for this strain to hit 30%THC on a regular basis, grown with your eyes closed, and one hand behind your back.

Bmac1 · Oct 13, 2019

Tagging along.

shishkaboy · Oct 18, 2019

My tents came

Roid rages getting a little leggy. Lost a few of the sweetarts, but still have one survivor and lost 2 of the roid rages to super high rh when I drenched them and put the dome back on. This is the point where I have the most trouble and these made it out of the woods. Gave them a little call mag water before I left for work.

Prolly gonna plant these a little deeper in some solo

Gonna be putting it all together over this weekend to get some temperature and humidity readings

Still gotta get more ducting, zip ties, a reservoir(garbage can)

shishkaboy · Oct 20, 2019

Got the lights hung up in the tents

Got the ventilation hooked up

Venting both tents

Added another t5 and moved the cloner over to the left side of the closet so the wires can reach..

Roid rages after transplanting into solo cups and under more light...

shishkaboy · Oct 24, 2019

Alright.. so I started off in precharged coco and jumped up to 435 ppm of just the 3-2-6 grow big but I'm still seeing the same yellowing starting to happen.

I checked the run off on 2 cups and both came back within 10-20 ppm of the input ppms

At this point I'm thinking either I need to up the ppms again or maybe adjust the profile to include more nitrogen.

Still scary about upping the ppms on such small seedlings so I'm most likely gonna start by using like 200 ppms of the 2-0-0 calmag...then adding like 200-300 ppms of the 3-2-6 grow nute.

shishkaboy · Oct 25, 2019

Ok, so I hit them with a combination of 147 ppm of 2-0-0 and 273 of 3-2-6 for a total of 420 at 5.7.

Also dropped the "tegridy cookies" in a cup of water.
Seems like cookies has pretty much won the weed game, and it's time for me to play.

Checked the roots on the sweet tarts and they were looking ok. No brown, no real shrivel, and some fuzz sporadically spread out but most near the bottom of the container.

Had the worst day at work. They made me make over 1300 bagels with little to no help with bringing up dough or taking bagels or trays back downstairs or wrapping after cooling. Straight up abuse. Sent the whole downstairs prep team home early on a day when I would have to ask for help.

It's getting harder and harder to get up every morning. I asked for a raise and it was not well received. It really sucks because I actually like the job and would prolly deal with all the bs if I got more money. Its all good tho it pays the bills.

Seriously everything is a cookies cross now. Gelato, skittles, all the cakes, this new "runtz"?,

Cookies really took over?

shishkaboy · Oct 26, 2019

I said screw it and called out of work today. Took a window screen and sifted out all the coco peat from the cheap coco bricks. Lost about half of the coco which makes the savings on the bricks not even real. Bagged coco from here on out.

The first 2 tegridy cookies popped in 24 hours. Planted those in the new light and fluffy coco precharged with the new nute mix. I feel like this will tell me if I need a new grow nute or not.

The other 4 seeds went in a wet paper towel.

I asked the breeder about the lineage on the cross and he let me know he not letting that info out just yet. But he said it's a good yielding cookie hybrid with blue raspberry terps

shishkaboy · Oct 28, 2019

I think they like the new mix.

shishkaboy · Oct 31, 2019

So I have been fertigating with the 420 ppm mix but with way less. Only been giving just enough to keep the coco moist. But today I went through to fully saturated just about all the cups and tested some runoffs to see if I had any build ups.
Most came back at just under 420 but 2 were like 450 and one was 493 and needed more cups of solution to get that back down some.

Sweetarts roots check up

Roid rage #7

Tryna figure if I should start topping them kind early.

shishkaboy · Nov 2, 2019

So after 1 month under the t5 I feel like they could use some more light. Gonna start the actual veg now. The plan is after about a week or so to transplant them into their final containers.

Roid rage and sweetarts day 1 veg

I saw a little early calcium deficiency on a few so I gave them a little boost.

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