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elmanito said:

I do think he knows of the document of course, but if you think humans start smoking after 1492 you're wrong.The Cannabis which was found in the grave was cultivated according to the researchers.In that time you had in China shamanism which had the knowledge of certain hallucinogenic herbs for their rituals and i dont think the cannabis is used for a nice cup of tea.

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A. History of Cannabis in North America

While there is strong historical evidence illustrating that the psychoactive properties of cannabis have been used as part of cultural practices of several societies throughout the world, it is unclear when the psychoactive properties of cannabis were discovered in North America. Some scholars believe that cannabis probably existed in North America long before the Europeans arrived. In Chris Bennett�s book Green Gold: Marijuana in Magic and Religion he says, �there is some very good physical evidence that indicates cannabis played a part in some of the native cultures prior to the arrival of Columbus.�([104]) In 1985, Bill Fitzgerald discovered resin scrapings of 500-year-old pipes in Morriston, Ontario containing �traces of hemp and tobacco that is five times stronger than the cigarettes smoked today.�([105]) Other archaeological evidence includes stone and wooden pipes and hemp fibre pouches that were found in the Ohio Valley from about 800 A.D.([106])

Elders of some North American native tribes can also remember their ancestors using cannabis in a ritual manner. According to Richard L. Lingeman in his book Drugs from A to Z, a 79 year old member of the Cinco Putas tribe in California



recalls his grandmother�s daily ritual when he was a small child. She took some cannabis flower tops out of an intricately carved box then rolled it in handmade corn paper. She held the resulting �joint� upright in front of her and, watching the rising swirled smoke, prayed: �Oh thank-you Great Mother!� for each of the gifts the day had brought, as well as thanks for her present relaxation.([107])



Even today, there are some North American tribes, especially those from Mexico, who have used cannabis as sacred gift under the name Rosa Maria or Santa Rosa, and continue to use it today.

Indians in the Mexican states of Veracruz, Hidalgo, and Puebla practice a communal curing ceremony with a plant called Santa Rosa, identified as cannabis sativa, which is considered both a plant and a sacred intercessor with the Virgin. Although the ceremony is based mainly on Christian elements, the plant is worshipped as an earth deity and is thought to be alive and to represent a part of the heart of God.([108])



However, some scholars are doubtful that cannabis was an integral part of the cultures of North American native tribes. �With few exceptions, cannabis has not penetrated significantly into many native religious beliefs and ceremonies.�([109]) These scholars believe that the cultivation of cannabis in the New World originated by its introduction through white settlers. Even if North American natives had been using cannabis prior to White man�s arrival �unfortunately much of the religion and culture of the aboriginal peoples of the western hemisphere was destroyed or driven underground by the European invaders.�([110])

Hence, there is little evidence that the natives of the continent introduced the white settlers to the cannabis plant or its psychoactive properties. The earliest known evidence is that Louis Hebert, Champlain�s apothecary, introduced the cannabis plant to North American white settlers in 1606. However, the white settlers did not discover the psychoactive properties of cannabis until the end of the 19th century. Rather, the cannabis plant was widely grown across North America for its use as a fibre in clothing and cordage and to provide sails and rigging for ships. The pilgrims also planted hemp soon after its introduction, and used it to cover their wagons.

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Paco said:

I can't believe i am doing this...
Sam you are wrong. just because some scientist says that there were no remnants of cannabis in the "new world" does not mean that it was impossible.
Chinese bamboo has been found all along the west coast of this hemisphere. in small and large pockets.
The jews and Moors had arrived several decades before 1492, and many others prior to that. considering all of the south asian sea travel, I find it improbable that cannabis would not make it to the new world.
Remember these so called historians and scientist thought that the native americans were rudimentary hunter and gatherers, that lived in small, uncivilized groups. having more information at our hands today, we see how wrong those initial assessments were.
I only say this because i have written extensively on alternative cultural geography and similar ideas regarding North Americas history.
PS
North American tobacco was around for a very, very long time, it was the introduction of the smooth smoking Eastern Indian variety that became widespread and was favored among most american tribes.

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motaco said:

I want to say don't feel dumb though. It wasn't so long ago I believed the same thing. I had to edit it out of the ultimate sativa thread.

I have to admit first off that american public schools are not very good, and neither are most private schools for that matter at translating the data they make you memorize and regurgitate into something that will form any coherent memorable education.

But in my adult years and continuing education privately (caring is fundamental to learning IMHO) that was one of the things that amazed me. The history of the world and especially when we met the new world. Corn was considered an "uncivilized crop" as was only fed to slaves for a long time here. No potatoes in Ireland, no tomatoes in Italy, No chili in India. And no pot in America much to my dismay.

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Sam_Skunkman said:

Again I point out that every Cannabis or hemp culture in Asia and the middle east and Europe and Africa there are remains of Cannabis pollen and Cannabis seeds on the bottom of lakes etc. In the Americas none have been found dated prior to 1492, why?
I understand why you want to believe what you do believe, but where is the hard science proof? All of the listed examples have been either debunked or never had any real science they were just trying to prove something, that was not true.
Sure the scythians breathed fumes of Cannabis thrown on embers under a tent 2000 years ago, but I meant smoking with pipes, in the modern sense like they did in the Americas pre 1492.
Anyway this is a bit like arguing about faith, those that believe will not change their mind and neither will the people that want hard science to confirm any claims.
-SamS
http://www.internationalhempassociation.org/jiha/jiha5208.html

Read this about what Cannabis has been found.

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