The plant's waxy cuticle is quite hydrophobic and covers most of the upper leaves, shoots and stems. This, combined with fine microscopic hairs, is designed to waterproof the plant and prevent desiccation. A wetting agent breaks the surface tension so that droplets spread out readily instead of just rolling off. Using a surfactant does risk damaging the cuticle though.Yall really think it's as simple as a wetting agent?
I'm curious as to the thoughtsthoughtsthis idea?
Plants aren't naturally hydrophobic & foliar feeds are uptaken very quickly... Like within minutes! So the wetting agent idea kinda has me stumped.
I'm listening though.
Fulvic acid, maybe? I'm not sure if chelation would help the absorption of STS or CS, but they are metals...
Good thread by reeferman showing conversion rates for pentahydrate.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=308085
Never failed to reverse a plant with this formula.
what kind of info are you looking for?
Was following the STS thread quoted and ran across this, from Sam...however, my issue is that I now have 2 nice-looking, fully reversed plants, full of balls and not a single female flower, but the balls don't contain any pollen...
And this, from Charles-Scott...SamKingofSkunk said:I saw quite a few that were functionally sterile meaning they did not drop pollen, even if they made it. Often the pollen was kind of sticky and if you used a q-tip you could get pollen enough to effect pollination. Others you just need to alter the ratios of the STS spray ingredients or the frequency or numbers of the applications to get useable pollen.
And some will not make male flowers or make any pollen.
Don't give up, try variations.
-SamS
Charles-scott said:[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Here I grabbed this from another thread I commented on
We have had no issues with ECSD at all in Canada or my friends in Spain .
My Spanish friends use her on a regular Basis , you just need to follow up with a 2nd treatment , often it can seem like strains are not producing pollen , however the reversed flower clusters are too tight to let out the pollen .
This is when you cut all the flower cluster away from as much stem as possible than get a tight sealing container place the clusters in paper towel than pour silica jell packages for new leather items or just the crystal they sell to dry out cars and seal it .
This will dry the clusters quickly than put the flowers in a pollinator and tumble when they are dry and you will be shocked at the pollen even the toughest reversing strain will produce .
SPGI looks like there is nothing in the tiny tight flowers yet it produces volumes of pollen .
There is a french company that makes a very small SS drummed version of the pollinator that is ideal for this use .
https://www.pollenextractor.com/Shop/en/
You need to let the reversed flowers fully mature cut dry removing as much stock as you can when you place the Clusters in the drum throw a few coins in with them .
We have also found that with some strains it helps to follow up with a CS treatment we found that in tests that using the STS stock solution followed up with high PPM CS produced a higher volume of pollen .
I find that 40% of reversed plants will not produce usable amounts of pollen with out the use of the pollinator to collect it .
We hand pollinate with soft make up brushes , we also mix pollen with Corn starch as a carrier to make it go further protect it when freezing and it helps mark the plant as to where we have brushed the pollen on .
The SPGI for example would not pollinate anything it went very weird with tiny little flowers that looked like a flop but when dried and put in the pollinator it produced commercially viable levels of pollen .
I suspect that you #1 may not have waited long enough to get pollen developed #2 that the pollen was there but need to be extracted or a little of both .
I have reversed plants indoors and outdoors on a larger scale with a good luck , I have a small hoop now that I am reversing a number of plants in , I have not really encountered a plant that I could not get some pollen from , We recently grew out 700 female seeds we did not encounter a single hermie we did encounter three full on males .
Charles [/FONT]
Good thread by reeferman showing conversion rates for pentahydrate.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=308085
Never failed to reverse a plant with this formula.
Fulvic acid, maybe? I'm not sure if chelation would help the absorption of STS or CS, but they are metals...
I would think the complex with thiosulphate already fulfills that function, so that doesn't sound likely to me.
[In most situations, it might be best to remove the plant from the grow room for spraying, covering the top of the pot with plastic to prevent watering the roots with the solution.
The STS can cause considerable damage to the leaves and cause overall stunting in the plant, so applying it only where necessary minimizes these undesirable effects. Eythene is a plant hormone with numerous important functions within the plant, and blocking it via root application would have an overall detrimental effect on the plant.Why protect the roots? And you only spray the shoots, not the leaves?
The STS can cause considerable damage to the leaves and cause overall stunting in the plant, so applying it only where necessary minimizes these undesirable effects. Eythene is a plant hormone with numerous important functions within the plant, and blocking it via root application would have an overall detrimental effect on the plant.
I have sprayed just the top bud of one branch of a plant four weeks into flower and had it produce viable male flowers and pollen about 10 days later. This effect moved down that branch slowly and after about three to four weeks there were a some flowers about 12-18 inches down from the sprayed bud.
Cheers
There is technique to reverse plant whithouth any chems and STS...
but you need to answer 3 questions to understand what you wish to achive and why it happends..
1.Where in a plant a flowering hormone develops??
2.In what time this hormone develops??
3.What is happening if we remove this hormone in right time??
If you know answer on this questions than you will know to reverse your plants
whithouth STS and other chems and this kind of produced fem seeds are much
more stabile than those produced with STS.
1. The elusive Florigen, which is produced in the leaves and signals the apical meristem to flower via an unknown mechanism.There is technique to reverse plant whithouth any chems and STS...
but you need to answer 3 questions to understand what you wish to achive and why it happends..
1.Where in a plant a flowering hormone develops??
2.In what time this hormone develops??
3.What is happening if we remove this hormone in right time??
If you know answer on this questions than you will know to reverse your plants
whithouth STS and other chems and this kind of produced fem seeds are much
more stabile than those produced with STS.