Which Lamps for LED grow Man?

[Fumitsu]

Hello everyone I am a farmer amateur for several years, three years ago I bought my first led a UFO jumbo led the ProSource 180 watts and I found myself very well, managing to collect an average of 200 grams each cycle with autoflowering.
Now I'm documenting other LED lamps to take other.Ho a budget of 500/1000 dollars.
I prefer two or more lamps less powerful to have greater coverage.
I read several things about these models: Mars 2, Growblu, Advancedledgrow, Topledgrowlight, Area 51 LEDs,ed Hydrogrowled.
What do you think of these? Especially what do you recommend? I would like first of all led quality and high yield.
The coverage area of the base you'll build in LEDs that put within.
thanks Man
Sorry for google traslate.

 

[Fumitsu]

Forgot Hydrofarm e Lushledlighting.

 

[DJXX]

hey look at this one...its a 200 watt output and only takes 110 watts to run it...it blows away the 300 in the pics...read the information and look at the pics that show the coverage of the two lights..$199 and worth every penny..i have several and they are awesome and inexpensive too..DJXX
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Big-eyes-20...1196660?pt=US_Hydroponics&hash=item3a8f3c4bf4

 

[PetFlora]

Amare Technologies Solar Specs are designed to be build-able small panel systems

Available in 100/150/260 with piggyback electrical connectors. Start with one then add more as $$$ is available

See my grow threads with SS 2 @ 150 another with a solo SS 260

 

[az2000]

I read several things about these models: Mars 2, Growblu, Advancedledgrow, Topledgrowlight, Area 51 LEDs,ed Hydrogrowled.
What do you think of these?

I wrote something about this here: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6730280&postcount=12

Mars and TopLED are the same thing. The benefit of these lights (and similar direct-from China lights like Vipar-eBay, Apollo, et. al.) is low initial cost. The downside is less efficiency. You'll pay more over the longterm. If you live in a hot climate, the additional heat can be as much of a problem as HID.

Area51, Hans Panel, Rapid/Onyx, GrowNorthern are expensive but efficient.

I would stay away from Lush, HydroGrowLED, GrowBlu, BlackDog, Kind, Blackstar. These lights sell for a fortune without the efficiency. They don't reveal the diodes they use, preferring to justify their prices with a lot of "it's proprietary, secret sauce" hype. With all the hype, you have to ask yourself: if their LEDs were anything better than the direct-from China lights, wouldn't they hype that fact? Since they're silent on the topic, we should assume there's nothing to hype (i.e., it's epistar/epiled).

Advanced is a bit unusual. They're close to the efficient lights and have recently begun to tout their use of efficient Cree diodes. But, still not as transparent about what they're doing like the efficient lights mentioned above.

If you're growing autos (shorter plants) you don't need strong light. I've gotten 1.2g per watt using a Blackstar 130w (85w actual) UFO and four 9.5w (60w equivalent) Cree warm 2700k LED "lightbulbs" from the local hardware store. This was a single plant in a 2x2 space and 31w/sq ft. There are people who grow similar-sized (2' tall) plants using *only* those lightbulbs, about 12 of them for a similar 30-35w/sq ft.

If you're in Europe, I'd recommend Bonsai/Hans Panel. They're good for shorter plants. Efficient (even fanless). Transparent about what they're selling you. GrowNorthern has a *huge* reputation among autoflower growers on another forum. They're in Britain.

 

[Phychotron]

I've always been pleased with Advanced LED's results. Their new modular XTE lights cover a lifetime warranty--I just talked to kyle and he said they will send you parts for as long as they are in business. That is a warranty that is tough to beat. I've used the DS lights for awhile with good results and will eventually buy some XTE400's when I get a chance.

That means you never have to put forward any cash toward lighting for quite awhile, if ever. I don't know of any other LED company offering that type of warranty.

Another brand I've used and enjoy is Growblu (Apollo), but not fully satisfied because it has a lot more wattage for the same coverage area. Plus the 60 degree lens is a bit too focused.

 

[Phychotron]

Advanced is a bit unusual. They're close to the efficient lights and have recently begun to tout their use of efficient Cree diodes. But, still not as transparent about what they're doing like the efficient lights mentioned above.

They're posting PAR data on some of their lights and doing comparison's of other lights, but still need to get more info on their website. For the new lights they're using par/watt as their measure of efficiency.

"
Features of the NEW Super High Flux 5W LEDs:

• 113% Higher PAR/Watt than a 600w HPS (XTE-200: 14.71 vs. 600w HPS: 6.90)
• 79% Higher PAR/Watt than competing 5w LED grow lights. (XTE-200: 14.71 vs. 5w Competitor: 8.10)
• 36% Higher PAR/Watt than the California Lightworks 200. (XTE-200: 14.71 vs. Solarflare 200: 11.02)
• 28% Higher PAR/Watt than the Kind L600. (XTE-200: 14.71 vs. Kind L600: 11.47)

"

Their site has more info under the Blog link, but its a bit hidden.

http://advancedledlights.com/blog/


If you look at one of their light comparison's they're doing pretty well in the testing and research department.


For example XML350 vs Kind600

http://advancedledlights.com/blog/xml-350-led-vs-kindl600-grow-light/

 

[Phychotron]

Forgot Hydrofarm e Lushledlighting.

From what I can tell, lush lighting is a joke. They're extremely overpriced and make extremely bold claims. If you go to their website and look at the top bar you can see one of their lights, diodes ALL WHACK. blues, reds, others just randomly placed and looking extremely retarded.

 

[Fumitsu]

Hello to all friends Icmag thanks the many responses I realized that the top of the LEDs today is the use by manufacturers of diodes Cree, area 51, and a few other bonsaihero. Area51 has a temperature of use 30 ° C (about) all other Cree LED 50. This is because they are more sensitive? And then if my ufo led get 1.3 grams per watt or so, with which Cree and efficiency in I can have more, they also last about 50,000 hours.
I wonder final results justify spending compared for example to a non-Cree LEDs.
Focusing the discussion on some products mentioned in the post: Area 51 rw 150 looks very good and I like the lifetime warranty ... and upgrade possibilities.
Led panel 150 watts of bonsai seems good costs a little less than area51
Holographic series of grownorthen is the most expensive of all and uses Philips did not know.
Topled mars 2 or panels ratio watts / unbeatable price at the time, but the final result in the harvest?
È sbagliato?

 

[az2000]

I wonder final results justify spending compared for example to a non-Cree LEDs.

It depends on your cost of electricity and how much you have to cool your grow space (for example, if you are in a hot climate). If you need to reduce their energy consumption, the more expensive and efficient LED fixtures are your best choice. You only need about 30-35w/sq ft.

If you don't struggle with cost of electricity nor heat, then the less expensive Chinese imports are a better value. You can throw 50-60w/sq ft very cheaply.

However, if electrical cost and heat aren't issues, you'll get more light for less money with ceramic metal halide (CMH).

If you're in a short space that won't permit CMH, then a Chinese import with softer 3w diodes on white backboard (no reflectors, not 5w) might be ok for you. But, then again, T5HO might be a better choice in that situation.

There's no reason I can see to buy expensive rebranded Chinese imports like Lush, Kind, HydroGrowLED, GrowBlu, Blackdog. They don't say what LEDs they use, so it can only be assumed to be less-efficient Epistar/epiled.

I don't see much reason to buy Chinese imports either when CMH (and T5HO for short spaces) are as efficient or better, and cost less, aren't disposable, etc.

This may change soon. China is reportedly implementing rules to improve its LED industry due to the bad reputation they've developed. For now, I don't think LEDs are a good value for most people except those two narrow conditions mentioned above. (Also if you're willing to make your own it's a good value too.).

 

[Fumitsu]

Man because tips led Chinese diodes with 3 watts and 5 watts for a matter of consumption / heat?
I can not use Cmh caloresoprattutto for problems in the summer and room height cultivation.
Led Chinese type TOPLED are a good compromise, but if I follow the path of the LEDs to save energy over time (cost bill) then the best thing I have diodes cree so you have fewer watts per square meters and a production or more LEDs no creed.

 

[smokehog]

I am using a Mars 2 1600w LED and are quite pleased with it.

 

[onavelzy]

what are the dimensions of the area you want to cover with the new lights?

as you said, the Mars 2 product gives you a lot for not too much money compared to other lights. you could get three of the 700's for right at $1000 including shipping (i'm guessing they're being shipped to Japan) or four of the 400's for under $900 with shipping. while they may not be higher bin chips they are still a reasonable value and have a three year warranty so their value over time is good.

if there is concern about the quality of the product, it would make sense to cover the area with several smaller lights than putting all of your budget into one bigger light. if you use four of the 400's and one of them goes out, you still have three others to cover the area. if you go with two of the 1200's or 1600's, you'll be at the top of or over your budget but if one of them goes out, you can only cover half as well or half as much.

you can review the long Mars2 vendor's thread if you google that and smokesara. i have never used their LED but i have read thru that site because i've followed several growers who used their product. best of luck.

i tend to use sentences that are too long so that may not translate very well. sorry

 

[Fumitsu]

Man as the difference between LED 3 watts and 5 watts in a lamp?

 

[Fumitsu]

what are the dimensions of the area you want to cover with the new lights?

as you said, the Mars 2 product gives you a lot for not too much money compared to other lights. you could get three of the 700's for right at $1000 including shipping (i'm guessing they're being shipped to Japan) or four of the 400's for under $900 with shipping. while they may not be higher bin chips they are still a reasonable value and have a three year warranty so their value over time is good.

if there is concern about the quality of the product, it would make sense to cover the area with several smaller lights than putting all of your budget into one bigger light. if you use four of the 400's and one of them goes out, you still have three others to cover the area. if you go with two of the 1200's or 1600's, you'll be at the top of or over your budget but if one of them goes out, you can only cover half as well or half as much.

you can review the long Mars2 vendor's thread if you google that and smokesara. i have never used their LED but i have read thru that site because i've followed several growers who used their product. best of luck.

the area of cultivation the'll build in proportion to the lights that I take, I prefer more rather than a less powerful lamps only.

 

[onavelzy]

Man as the difference between LED 3 watts and 5 watts in a lamp?

I have to be careful in what i say as i have not used these so my knowledge of them is limited to what they say on their site and what people discuss on that vendors forum, as well as the discussion that occur here on the various icmag LED threads

having said that, from what i've read, the higher watt diodes allow greater canopy penetration, improving vitality growth and bud development, especially in the mid portions that are sometimes over shadowed by the upper colas.

 

[Fumitsu]

Hello everyone Man I make a record of the information from me and give me collected.If I say something wrong correct me freely this could serve to all those you are documenting to buy lamps led grow good quality or less like me and spend evenings at the computer on this great site :
LEDs for best efficiency x watt Cree are used by a few companies like the aforementioned A51, AdLed, hans, other? but they are also the most expensive for the Cree cip cost (I went to see the price of individual suppliers cree)

The top of the Cree for power is XTL (10 watts white can be up to 1600 lm.), At the moment but I have not found this on the grow lamps. (Az2000 has already named this in another treed)

Let the Cree XTE (5 watt white up to 456 lm) Great used by A51 and AdvLed.

Then Cree Xpe are being used in red from A51 (3.5 watts up to 307lm)

Cree and XBD (3 watts up to 309 lumens) cheaper good value for money used by Hans Pannel to gether to osdram deepred Led but obsolete (led world)

A51 LED best quality / price Cree XTE with Xpl red and also coperetura warranty excellent transparency.
AdvanLed too XTE, warranty but Too much money and not only use but also Cree osdram. (Excellent but I did not understand what exactly, and perhaps not as Cree?)
I wonder both have an excellent coverage of this Guarantee, and after-sales because they are easier to break aha aha ah?!?
Hans Pannel are the cheapest, using Cree not top but I can not guarantee quality workmanship and, very important when it comes to LED.

Passing led "normal" cited Mars and reflector Topled cip 5 watts and 3 watts, Price / quality obviously hard to beat ...
AdvLed 3 watts is also good but the price is too much for the same watt mars (although 5 watts should make as 3watt) Too many years to recover money in the light bill.
Other company also led good but perhaps too much money for too much image.

The question that I asked was what initially led buy my conclusion to this is:

If you can spend more take Cree Led quality, less watts per square meter less consumption but long-term investment and would follow the line of LEDs talking and all that it means to cultivate LED lamp + performance-watt-term and so many other things.

But if you can not pay that at the time led to the top I think even Topled or Other? (I quote them for the competitive price and good read some information) can be a choice.
Of course, up to a certain expense, if I spend more than $ 800, for me simple fan, I'd rather spend that amount for Cree LEDs and be followed ...
If I spend less then good choice for me, I know they are noisy and this can be a problem for some.
Now expects to update A51 and again to see what Topled combine.

I found little about lumigrow and apachete (nasa ?? Bah!) Anyone has information?

Sorry for google traslate.

 

[Phychotron]

I'm not sure the exact details, but some brand diodes are better than others for certain colors. Cree is really good for white but may not be the leader when it comes to green for example.

Advanced has the XML fixtures using 10w white Cree diode. They are coming out with the XML650 soon which is fully modular (the 150 and 350 are not currently full modular, so they would require $ in labor to repair after 3 years). I counted 24 of those Cree 10w on it. Here's a video of it being unboxed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjJtZxCkIog

I was planning on getting three XTE400's but two XML-650's might be a better solution.

 

[onavelzy]

I'm not sure the exact details, but some brand diodes are better than others for certain colors. Cree is really good for white but may not be the leader when it comes to green for example.

Advanced has the XML fixtures using 10w white Cree diode. They are coming out with the XML650 soon which is fully modular (the 150 and 350 are not currently full modular, so they would require $ in labor to repair after 3 years). I counted 24 of those Cree 10w on it. Here's a video of it being unboxed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjJtZxCkIog

I was planning on getting three XTE400's but two XML-650's might be a better solution.

three of the xt-e's would be approx $3600. The xml 350 has a little more than twice the modules or lights as the 150 does but costs a little less than twice as much ($997 vs $549). Knowing the 650's have roughly 75% more modules than the 350's, we could expect a price somewhere around $1600 to $2000. if that guesswork is close, 3 of the xte400's would cost close to 2 of the xml650's.

Advanced's products are delectable but it's very hard to pay that kind of money. The priciest top end hid's might get up around $800. the biggest Mars2 runs $600. are the lights worth that 2.5 fold premium over hid and a 3 fold premium over a lower cost led. or is could that money be better spent on other aspects of the grow set up? the warranty alone is worth a lot but almost four thousand to light what I'm guessing is a 4x8-ish space is a big investment.

two $800 1000W HID set ups would be around 80 cents a watt. two xml 650's at an estimated $3000 for the both would be a cost $2.30 a watt, two of the Mars2 1600's would also get around 80 cents a watt. are the Advanced watts three times as good at generating PAR?

In a cost is no object grow, i'd definitely want the Advanced if I was going LED. Unfortunately, life being what it is means there's other variables to consider.

any hints from them on timing of the release?

 

[Phychotron]

First and foremost, I would never use HID or even consider using one. They drawbacks are too numerous for an inferior light source. Heat, fire hazard, wasted electricity, added cooling equipment, added excess radiation on plant surface, bulb replacements, no misting the plants, hot starts, super hot bulbs to burn yourself on, shitty feeling just being in their presence, bulky equipment that takes longer to set up. ... and inferior quality bud, just to name a few.

LED vs HID Lab results
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrUDJA00soI

The XML650 was on sale pre-released for $1200 earlier this month to previous customers (only about week) and they said it would be $1600. So $3000 for two is about right when you factor in discounts.

The XML650 is a more affordable option and using more watts than three XTE's. I think they'll probably come down in price once they get rid of the regular Diamond Series. I really just had my mind set on those XTE's then this came out so I'm really torn.

Your price per watt comparing the LED's doesn't take into account the lifetime warranty. When you have to replace your Mars every 3 years you'll start to notice its not as cheap as you may have thought. Plus they won't have as much par as Advanced since they're under driving their 5w diodes (or over driving a 3w) at less than 2.5w. Advanced runs their 5w Cree at 3.9watt. Its because ALL the parts inside are of much better quality and more durable (so to make it worth offering a lifetime warranty) that they can run them at their full potential.

To say that its three times the price it should be three times the par is kinda lame. You don't buy a car that's three times the price and expect it to be three times as fast. You buy a more expensive car because it has better quality and features. Very few things in life have linear relationships. You probably will feel three times as satisfied with the light though...