New kelp derived paclo

[stevewinthrop]

Cool, thanks for doing that man. So to get something tested you need to know exactly what your testing for right? About how much does that cost?
Theres definitely a few other additives i'd like to have tested.

Best to find a friend who is either attending University or works in a university lab. I had a friend who would test certain aquarium additives for me while I was trying to reverse engineer them.

Otherwise you have to pay. Dearly.

 

[710420]

Advanced?? Nutrients?? lol
I guess you guys don't mind some gmo foods huh.
Some steroid in the pig makes the meat taste juicier!

 

[glow]

Best to find a friend who is either attending University or works in a university lab. I had a friend who would test certain aquarium additives for me while I was trying to reverse engineer them.

Otherwise you have to pay. Dearly.

True - standard nutrient tests are cheap (approx $50 - $100 a sample) but PGR and other tests cost a lot of money.

 

[glow]

Advanced?? Nutrients?? lol
I guess you guys don't mind some gmo foods huh.
Some steroid in the pig makes the meat taste juicier!

I don't think anyone here is really talking about Advanced Nutrients.

 

[710420]

Nutes in a bottle is nutes in a bottle.

Its cheaper and healthier to grow no till. Also the med patients will love you for growing "Real organic"

Check it out guys, no till gardening, I heard it works!

 

[Mikell]

And suddenly everyone realized why organic nazis are generally refered to as...wait for it...




...wait for it....






douchecanoes.

 

[VonBudí]

And suddenly everyone realized why organic nazis are generally refered to as...wait for it...




...wait for it....






douchecanoes.

 

[theother]

And suddenly everyone realized why organic nazis are generally refered to as...wait for it...




...wait for it....






douchecanoes.

This guy! I love it!

 

[Elmer Bud]

Nutes in a bottle is nutes in a bottle.

Its cheaper and healthier to grow no till. Also the med patients will love you for growing "Real organic"

Check it out guys, no till gardening, I heard it works!

Ignorance is bliss ...

 

[EclipseFour20]

Nutes in a bottle slam...some say nutes from a box/bag are superior. To that, I have just one question, "how do I pour hydrolyzed fish from a bag?"

Of course the undercurrent thinking is--there is just "ONE WAY" to grow...."my way". LOL, yeah right (my way or the highway thinking is stupid...imho). Lots of ways to the same destination--some harder, some easier, some better, some more expensive.....some follow dogma (organic fanatic), some follow their brain (select best practices from all disciplines), and some follow their pocket book (100% synthetic/chems).

 

[glow]

And suddenly everyone realized why organic nazis are generally refered to as...wait for it...




...wait for it....






douchecanoes.

Corpo capitalist hippycrits - the most unethical pack of marketing wankers there is. They make the hydro industry look like marketing saints. Powered by poo.... eat shit and die.... shit in - shit out.

 

[glow]

BTW - pushed the lab for a result time frame re PGRs in the Mendocino Avalanche - they were able to tell me that there is no PBZ or CC in it. Still awaiting 2 additional tests of 5.

 

[theother]

BTW - pushed the lab for a result time frame re PGRs in the Mendocino Avalanche - they were able to tell me that there is no PBZ or CC in it. Still awaiting 2 additional tests of 5.

Well that's good news, will be curious to tell how the rest of them work out.

 

[BubbaBear]

BTW - pushed the lab for a result time frame re PGRs in the Mendocino Avalanche - they were able to tell me that there is no PBZ or CC in it. Still awaiting 2 additional tests of 5.

Awesome man, thats beautiful news. I just cracked open my bottle and found a big chunk of what looks like dried up white paint floating on the top of the bottle, I guess its some sort of mold bloom? Ive waited this long to use the stuff guess l cant wait a little longe lol, hopefully the guys at the shop will let me swap it out.

 

[EclipseFour20]

Me too...as I like the result I am getting with Avalanche!

 

[chinqlinq]

It is highly unlikely that Mendo Avalanche contains chemical PGRs because coming from Grow More - a very large Ag/hydro company - would withhold that information and knowingly deceive its end user. Secondly, chemical PGRs to be used, registered, and sold on shelves in California containing paclo or other widely used PGR ingredients require it to outline the active ingredient and sometimes include a multi-page sticky booklet on the bottle, the same kind you typically see attached to household bug sprays, insecticides and other concentrated chemicals outling the exact usage and dilution rates.

CA is also one of the strictest states when it comes to labeling and disclosure. The biggest reason Gravity, Phosphoload, etc were pulled from the shelves wasn't because they contained paclo, but because they weren't properly labeled and registered to properly inform the consumer on its contents.

 

[glow]

It is highly unlikely that Mendo Avalanche contains chemical PGRs because coming from Grow More - a very large Ag/hydro company - would withhold that information and knowingly deceive its end user. Secondly, chemical PGRs to be used, registered, and sold on shelves in California containing paclo or other widely used PGR ingredients require it to outline the active ingredient and sometimes include a multi-page sticky booklet on the bottle, the same kind you typically see attached to household bug sprays, insecticides and other concentrated chemicals outling the exact usage and dilution rates.

CA is also one of the strictest states when it comes to labeling and disclosure. The biggest reason Gravity, Phosphoload, etc were pulled from the shelves wasn't because they contained paclo, but because they weren't properly labeled and registered to properly inform the consumer on its contents.

This isn't quite true - the reason they were "quarantined" and pulled was because chem PGR (subclass growth retardant) products need to be registered to meet very strict criteria. If this were the case re your labeling claim the products would be in the Ca market with their actives listed. They're not and never can be, particularly given that 3 of them contained long "banned for use on any consumable crop" Alar.

And agree re Mendo Avalanche. As it doesn't stop upward growth it is highly unlikely that it contains a growth retardant PGR.

 

[EclipseFour20]

Glow...you know Avalance is the ONLY product labeled in California as "flower hardener". That is what the formulator told me a few months ago...as they fought very hard to defend those words.

 

[theother]

It is highly unlikely that Mendo Avalanche contains chemical PGRs because coming from Grow More - a very large Ag/hydro company - would withhold that information and knowingly deceive its end user. Secondly, chemical PGRs to be used, registered, and sold on shelves in California containing paclo or other widely used PGR ingredients require it to outline the active ingredient and sometimes include a multi-page sticky booklet on the bottle, the same kind you typically see attached to household bug sprays, insecticides and other concentrated chemicals outling the exact usage and dilution rates.

CA is also one of the strictest states when it comes to labeling and disclosure. The biggest reason Gravity, Phosphoload, etc were pulled from the shelves wasn't because they contained paclo, but because they weren't properly labeled and registered to properly inform the consumer on its contents.

I think there is a common misconception that the only problem with PGR's was that they where not labeled correctly. This is absolutely not true, PBZ and diminowhatever (sp) are absolutely not used on any food crop that I am aware of. There is absolutely a danger in using these products whether they are labeled or not. They create a systemic response in the plant that is absolutely poisonous on some level. I don't think anyone is arguing that PBZ, dimonzade, or a chlormoquate chloride derived thing are good for you and should be used on your consumable crop whether they are labeled correctly or not. The scariest thing here to me is that they are teratogen's (meaning they cause harm to the male reproductive system and are likely birth defect causing). That is heavy shit my friend, whether its labeled or not. To imagine that somehow the "favorable" results of using these things is worth the risk is absolutely an ill informed decision. You really cannot in good conscience use a product like this because other people are. Shit out here a huge portion of the full season has nasty as fuck systemic pesticides applied in early flower, wtf is that about, thats not safe under any circumstances, its just convenient. Honestly fucking up unborn children is just not something im okay with taking a risk on whether its labeled or not.

Sorry if that seems intense its just we absolutely do exist in a sort of uninformed subculture where ignorant decisions are not the exception so we as informed adults need to be clear with each other regarding the risks of some of these dangerous practices. It can be hard to see it in writing or whatever but potentially not "paying attention" when choosing products could absolutely have life long consequences for a child that is not born yet.

This isn't quite true - the reason they were "quarantined" and pulled was because chem PGR (subclass growth retardant) products need to be registered to meet very strict criteria. If this were the case re your labeling claim the products would be in the Ca market with their actives listed. They're not and never can be, particularly given that 3 of them contained long "banned for use on any consumable crop" Alar.

And agree re Mendo Avalanche. As it doesn't stop upward growth it is highly unlikely that it contains a growth retardant PGR.

I agree, I am seeing WAY less PBZ questionable stuff now, the only thing I have seen stay on the shelves with the label is the GH PBZ thing.

Glow I seem to remember there was a prop 65 type warning on the bottles of avalanche I have seen in california, any idea what ingredient would prompt that? I will have to check again to make sure its there, could be remembering it wrong.

 

[EclipseFour20]

Everything in California has a Prop 65 warning, even aspirin. LOL.