AN CarboLoad, is it really that good?

[DONAJTHEIII]

Who told you hydroponic nutrients kill bennies?

Okay a couple of extracts from some material I am covering on this now:

The majority of soil living beneficial bacteria require oxygen for cellular respiration (also termed “oxidative metabolism”). Bacteria that require oxygen are classed as aerobes. Aerobes also require organic material or molecules (such as glucose) to produce energy. For this reason this class of bacteria are also called aerobic heterotrophs (i.e. aerobic heterotrophs are organisms that cannot live without free oxygen and do not produce their own food).

The main elements required for beneficial bacterial nutrition are C, H, O, N, S, P, K, Mg, Fe, Ca, Mn and traces of Zn, Cu and Mo.

‘Aerobic heterotrophs’ require a source of organic carbon, gaseous oxygen (air) and water along with the aforementioned mineral elements. Their source of energy is produced by the aerobic oxidation of organic material by metabolism to water and carbon dioxide. The energy released is stored in the phosphoanhydride bonds of ATP. When the energy is required it is released from ATP by hydrolysis. Certain environmental conditions are also required for the growth and division of bacteria like O2 concentration, pH and temperature.

ATP stands for Adenosine Tri-Phosphate. ATP consists of an adenosine molecule and three inorganic phosphates. ATP is the most important energy-transfer molecule in all living cells. ATP transports chemical energy within cells for metabolism. ATP is produced during photosynthesis and cellular respiration and used by enzymes and structural proteins in cellular processes, including biosynthetic reactions and cell division.

Phosphorous/phosphate plays a vital role in the ATP chain. Inorganic phosphorus in the form of the phosphate PO43- plays a major role in biological molecules DNA and RNA where it forms part of the molecular structure. Living cells use phosphate to transport cellular energy in the form of ATP. Nearly every cellular process that uses energy obtains it in the form of ATP. ATP -------> ADP (Adenosine Diphosphate) + Pi (orthophosphate) + energy.


For beneficial bacteria to survive in a hydroponic environment they will need ideal environmental conditions. Most hydroponic nutrients lack organic carbon sources for beneficial bacteria to survive. They can metabolise humic and fulvic extracts but one of the best sources of food for beneficial bacteria is molasses. Molasses typically contains ‘Total Digestable Nutrients’ (TDN) in excess of 60%, as well as containing a number of the major elements and trace elements required by bacteria, molasses is very high (50%+) in sugars. The sugars contained in molasses are an ideal source of carbon for heterotrophs. Cobalt and molybdenum, which are not usually listed in the typical analysis of molasses, will still be found in small traces.

Basically while the science is complex (a point too many overlook) it is dead easy to turn your nutrient tank into a micro tea brewer. You should also be watering the bennies into the substrate by hand but most importantly you need to provide a food source (i.e. carbon and other). You need to also filter your air using a 0.22 micron syringe filter. Unwanted microorganisms are present in air.

I'll post more on this shortly on manic botanix. Yeah - a lot of what you said was very wrong. I use a ferment of molasses at 1ml/L in my tank and a potato dextrose starch/broth at 1ml/L and never dump. I'm run to waste. Sort of can't believe the levels of misinformation that get spat around forums.

I stopped reading your response after the first line because of how ignorant you are. I didnt ask for basic science info regarding processes/reactions that I already learned in college. You shouldnt be shocked at "the level of misinformation thats spat around these forums "you should be shocked on how ignorant people can be when others are simply trying to help and offer a different perspective.

Ill state one common hydroponic nute that people use on the regular that has been proven to kill bennies. Drip Clean it contains an "IDE" and when the dosage is doubled such as many do to reduce salt buildup it will knock out bennies. Ever here of hydrogen peroxide killing shit before ? "IDE" basic chemistry. Nothing you stated can happen if the environment isnt correct didnt you see the analogy already smh

Your to quick to defend with scientific info that doesnt relate. Im not trying to come off as a douche but stop being so narrow minded no one has anything to prove here you dont know everything clearly and neither do I but I dont go stating stuff without scientific data to back it up and unless Ive seen it hands on.

Cant anyone take constructive criticism anymore without getting their panties wet. Geez

Were all here to help each other


AJAE

 

[papaduc]

Jesus mate - those are shitty looking plants you've got there

With every post I think one thing becomes more and more clear about you, that your knowledge is largely copied and pasted from other more intelligent sources.

Try and be specific about where you're quoting and where you're actually speaking, because one of your more impressive paragraphs earlier in this thread it seems was written by two chinese students as part of a research paper, with a few choice words of your own added in amongst them for good measure.

I'll say it straight, this fella is a total and utter fraud and anyone who is bought by his bullshit needs to go and slap their face with ice cold water.

Good luck with the book sales

 

[DrFever]

dam i just clicked on new posts and this one popped up

Here is my take on everything all Hydro companies make there base and flowering nutrients weaker so that you are forced to buy other products to compensate
Sales strategy ??? of course,
If you were a owner of a company,,, would it be better to make just one base and one flowering product ??? hell no they go out of business
Everyone here thinks Hydroponic growers only grow weed this is not the case.
Hydroponic fert companies did not just make it for MJ???? but widened the gap of the nutrient so it can be used for all types of plants , veggies , fruits , and weed not just one specific base for weed only. ne sad thing here really people got to wake the fuck up pot growers are probably less then 5 percent
of world population more like 01 percent if that

So with that said buyer you have to beware of somethings when you looking for amendments
adding carbo boost really = adding glucose / sugars which plant makes and uses ,

most companies will make anything that plants can use, fulvix . humix silica , list goes on and yes they all have a function for plants and like pab said .
they have to by law have to have close percentage of actual..... kinda gives them lea way not every batch can not come exact in the chelated business

some things i use for additives

FUVIX . Humix , Vitamin B , aspirin, silca , HONEY<--- My sugar booster for my plants clorine <----- VERY important for plant functions

Now with that all said . Some growers recommend beneficial biology, some prefer a sterile aqueous root zone. If in doubt, leave them out. If you have propagated your plants in a net pot full of growing medium (such as coco coir chips or something else carbon-based) it is possible that this could provide a habitat for mutualistic organisms at the plant's root crown. But the nutrient solution itself offers little potential for colonization of anything other than bacteria, which while useful, don't offer the benefits of fungi. This leaves to think making teas or what ever is fine i guess , using beanies what ever you wanna call it but synthetic nutrients kill all micro life
so it can not be used

DWC = sterile environment Hydroponic methods are known for producing very high quality crops in high volume. The disadvantage of traditional hydroponic systems is that they are not organic.
growers have been trying to refine an organic hydroponic fertilizer solution that provides all of the nutritional needs of the plant. This has proved to be very challenging and the organic hydroponic fertilizers commercially available tend to be very costly and often lack some of the essential elements for plant growth

Aquaponics on the other hand is a different story
Aquaponics, which mimics the natural dynamics of all of earth's water ways, is the only organic hydroponic method that has proven to be commercially viable. And, as an added bonus, you produce two crops - fish and vegetables. The fertilizer in an aquaponic system comes from the fish waste. Microbial activity converts the waste into nutrients that the plants need and, as the plants consume the nutrients, they help to purify the water the fish live in. This all happens in a recirculating system that uses less water than traditional agriculture.

 

[DrFever]

Forgot to mention and that's the problem growing organic in anything period, you got to think about it for a second
I dont care what anyone says organic = slower growth , lower yields , longer plant recovery times if a deficiency occurs or to much of a nutrient
DWC was invented for Fast growth rates and high yields from chelated nutrients that do not need to be broken down mixing the 2 together is a recipe for disaster i think

 

[papaduc]

mixing the 2 together is a recipe for disaster i think

It's without a doubt a recipe for unnecessary complication if nothing else.

 

[NEGT1]

If you're being selective, yes, otherwise, no.
Does AN base compare equally to GH 3 part base, yes, because they directly copied it.

But do many other companies sell 0.5% magnesium in a bottle of water? No.

When you look at AN for what it is, it's quite clearly a piss take. I mean you'd have to be pretty creative to put together a decent argument to say otherwise.



I think the word "just" speaks volumes to be honest.

You can't minimise the fact that they've constructed their 15 bottle nutrient line to milk growers for every possible penny. It's the whole point of the argument.



It's not even an argument. It's a case of whether you'd rather pay $20 for 0.5% magnesium sulphate or $1 for 100x the amount.



They're not.

I know I'm being blunt here and I hope you don't take this as me being confrontational or rude, but there's just no other way for me to put it. I mean there's no room for me to say it any other way. AN doesn't leave me that room to say ok this additive might actually be beneficial in this way etc... because they don't even tell you what's in the bottle. You're investing in blind hope. Nothing more.

On a complete nutrient line fed at the right levels, I'll bet you good money that it's impossible to tell by eye the difference between one plant given all those additives, compared to another given none.

A plant should be in absolute optimum health on any complete full spectrum nutrient. It's that simple. If it's not, it's because of the inability of the grower to read their plants and provide the elements in the correct ratio to suit it's needs at that specific time.



Some plants will need different ratios of elements, but it's very rare you won't be able to get where you want using your base feeds alone. Very very rare. If it's hard to achieve that with your basic foods, change them. Simple.



I want to see pictures of that cut at the time when you think it needs specifically more magnesium. I will give you money if you can't adjust your base feeds or buy a base feed to cater exactly for it's needs.

The calmag myth is the biggest most out of control issue in cannabis cultivation right now. It's massively massively overused. It's the most misdiagnosed deficiency in all of growing and is almost always something completely unrelated.

lol you think Bud Candy is the same thing as pure Epsom Salt, you have shown your ignorance.

You are so bitter about AN, it sucks because you have a few decent points here and there but also argue with incorrect knowledge, again, arguing to your opinion.

For instance. You argue that AN takes advantage of not having to show all of the nutrients in the bottle. In the case of Bud Candy it doesn't show all of the nutrients in the bottle, in this scenario it would help the product.
The unfortunate thing here is that anyone who wants to argue with you has to turn into an asshole.

 

[glow]

It's without a doubt a recipe for unnecessary complication if nothing else.

Mate you truly are an idiot whose plants reflect this. It enforces my calls for an RSPCA for cannabis plants where we take sick and beaten and starved plants from their owners and give them good homes Please don't give growers advice when you can't grow yourself. And to growers stop listening to fools like this. What are you doing? Are you using oxidants in coco dah??? Seriously? Do you know absolutely nothing about oxidants and organic materials? Do you know nothing about even basic chemistry?

Just quickly... (an excerpt from something I am writing now)... there is recent evidence that shows certain beneficial bacteria and fungi improve yields in hydroponic systems due to producing the auxin indole acetic acid (IAA), which results in improved root growth and yields. For example, in research by Valérie Gravel et al (2007) five bacteria (Pseudomonas fluorescens, P. fluorescens subgroup G strain 2, P. marginalis, P. putida subgroup B strain 1 and P. syringae strain 1) and three fungi (Penicillium brevicompactum, P. solitum strain 1 and Trichoderma atroviride) were evaluated to determine their promoting effect on the growth of mature healthy tomato plants grown under hydroponic conditions. P. putida and T. atroviride were shown to improve fruit yields in rockwool and in organic substrates. Various other authors have come to similar conclusions.

Source - Gravel, V et al Growth stimulation and fruit yield improvement of greenhouse tomato plants by inoculation with Pseudomonas putida or Trichoderma atroviride: Possible role of indole acetic acid (IAA): Soil Biology and BiochemistryVolume 39, Issue 8 August 2007

And - Trichoderma is shown to stimulate root growth. On the latter point (Trichoderma is shown to stimulate root growth), this applies to some species of Trichoderma (e.g. T. virens and T. harzianum) inducing auxin related activity in plants. For example, research has shown that the application of T. harzianum increases the levels of IAA (indole-3-acetic acid – an auxin) and GA3 (gibberellic acid) in plant tissue. The research concluding:

(Quote)

“There is evidence that the change in phytohormone levels is one of the direct mechanism by which T22 (a T. harzianum strain) promotes rooting and shoot growth, with notable advantages for rootstock production during nursery processes.”

(End Quote)

And, in research by Zhang et al (2012) with Trichoderma strain (T-E5), high-performance liquid chromatography analysis showed that indole acetic acid (IAA) production by T-E5 was enhanced by 30.2 % as compared with a wild Trichoderma strain (SQR-T037). T-E5 treatment statistically increased cucumber plant biomass in soil and hydroponic experiments.

Sources ----

Bjorkman T, Blanchard LM, Harman GE (1998) Growth enhancement of shrunken-2 sweet corn when colonized with Trichoderma harzianum 1295-22: effect of environmental stress. J Am Soc Hortic Sci 123: 35–40
Harman GE, Petzoldt R, Comis A, Chen J (2004b) Interaction between Trichoderma harzianum strain T-22 and maize inbred line Mo17 and effects of these interactions on disease caused by Phytium ultimum and Colletotrichum graminicola. Phytopathology 94: 147–153


BTW - who the hell told you to use oxidants in coco? If it was the clown shoes at your hydro store change stores immediately. Only a moron would give such advice and that isn't someone you want to listen to.

 

[glow]

I stopped reading your response after the first line because of how ignorant you are. I didnt ask for basic science info regarding processes/reactions that I already learned in college. You shouldnt be shocked at "the level of misinformation thats spat around these forums "you should be shocked on how ignorant people can be when others are simply trying to help and offer a different perspective.

Ill state one common hydroponic nute that people use on the regular that has been proven to kill bennies. Drip Clean it contains an "IDE" and when the dosage is doubled such as many do to reduce salt buildup it will knock out bennies. Ever here of hydrogen peroxide killing shit before ? "IDE" basic chemistry. Nothing you stated can happen if the environment isnt correct didnt you see the analogy already smh

Your to quick to defend with scientific info that doesnt relate. Im not trying to come off as a douche but stop being so narrow minded no one has anything to prove here you dont know everything clearly and neither do I but I dont go stating stuff without scientific data to back it up and unless Ive seen it hands on.

Cant anyone take constructive criticism anymore without getting their panties wet. Geez

Were all here to help each other


AJAE

Stop trying to pervert the information. Drip Clean is not a nutrient.

"Were all here to help each other "

That would be we are or we're all here to help each other and that is extremely suspect when know nothing wannabes feed growers BS.

 

[glow]

With every post I think one thing becomes more and more clear about you, that your knowledge is largely copied and pasted from other more intelligent sources.

Try and be specific about where you're quoting and where you're actually speaking, because one of your more impressive paragraphs earlier in this thread it seems was written by two chinese students as part of a research paper, with a few choice words of your own added in amongst them for good measure.

I'll say it straight, this fella is a total and utter fraud and anyone who is bought by his bullshit needs to go and slap their face with ice cold water.

Good luck with the book sales

Dah yeah - it's called citing and referencing reliable sources and dissecting credible research that is peer reviewed rather than spitting out opinions and BS. BTW - opinions are like arseholes. Everyone has one - some of them stink. Speaking of which you are wrong about the chlorine. You told growers how to burn the shit out of their root systems. Run off and read some research and then get back to me on this one (I know because I have done the research and cited those who did the research). Cheers re the well wishes - albeit I suspect they're a bit disingenuous troll.

 

[glow]

I think this thread is officially derailed.....

-Glow
Is there a product that you recommend for introducing beneficial microorganisms into Deep Water Culture?
-bA

What country are you based in? I don't buy bennie products from hydroponic stores as I want registered products that can guarantee low contaminants and high cfu or spore counts. I have suppliers in several countries and can perhaps point you towards a good source. Use a bacteria based product as bacteria are better suited to water based systems and inert/inorganic substrates while fungi (e.g. Trichoderma) are better suited to organic media.

 

[papaduc]

Mate you truly are an idiot whose plants reflect this. It enforces my calls for an RSPCA for cannabis plants where we take sick and beaten and starved plants from their owners and give them good homes

With every post, your credibility as an authority on the subject of cannabis dies more.

At this point I believe your knowledge totals nothing more than a few grabbed together research papers written by people far more intelligent than yourself.

lol you think Bud Candy is the same thing as pure Epsom Salt, you have shown your ignorance.

If you think that's what said or meant, it's you who's shown yours.

 

[glow]

dam i just clicked on new posts and this one popped up

Here is my take on everything all Hydro companies make there base and flowering nutrients weaker so that you are forced to buy other products to compensate
Sales strategy ??? of course,
If you were a owner of a company,,, would it be better to make just one base and one flowering product ??? hell no they go out of business
Everyone here thinks Hydroponic growers only grow weed this is not the case.
Hydroponic fert companies did not just make it for MJ???? but widened the gap of the nutrient so it can be used for all types of plants , veggies , fruits , and weed not just one specific base for weed only. ne sad thing here really people got to wake the fuck up pot growers are probably less then 5 percent
of world population more like 01 percent if that

So with that said buyer you have to beware of somethings when you looking for amendments
adding carbo boost really = adding glucose / sugars which plant makes and uses ,

most companies will make anything that plants can use, fulvix . humix silica , list goes on and yes they all have a function for plants and like pab said .
they have to by law have to have close percentage of actual..... kinda gives them lea way not every batch can not come exact in the chelated business

some things i use for additives

FUVIX . Humix , Vitamin B , aspirin, silca , HONEY<--- My sugar booster for my plants clorine <----- VERY important for plant functions

Now with that all said . Some growers recommend beneficial biology, some prefer a sterile aqueous root zone. If in doubt, leave them out. If you have propagated your plants in a net pot full of growing medium (such as coco coir chips or something else carbon-based) it is possible that this could provide a habitat for mutualistic organisms at the plant's root crown. But the nutrient solution itself offers little potential for colonization of anything other than bacteria, which while useful, don't offer the benefits of fungi. This leaves to think making teas or what ever is fine i guess , using beanies what ever you wanna call it but synthetic nutrients kill all micro life
so it can not be used

DWC = sterile environment Hydroponic methods are known for producing very high quality crops in high volume. The disadvantage of traditional hydroponic systems is that they are not organic.
growers have been trying to refine an organic hydroponic fertilizer solution that provides all of the nutritional needs of the plant. This has proved to be very challenging and the organic hydroponic fertilizers commercially available tend to be very costly and often lack some of the essential elements for plant growth

Aquaponics on the other hand is a different story
Aquaponics, which mimics the natural dynamics of all of earth's water ways, is the only organic hydroponic method that has proven to be commercially viable. And, as an added bonus, you produce two crops - fish and vegetables. The fertilizer in an aquaponic system comes from the fish waste. Microbial activity converts the waste into nutrients that the plants need and, as the plants consume the nutrients, they help to purify the water the fish live in. This all happens in a recirculating system that uses less water than traditional agriculture.

Hey bro when people take your advice and you wipe out their crop are you going to give them an address so they can come around for a visit?

Re this: "Now with that all said . Some growers recommend beneficial biology, some prefer a sterile aqueous root zone. If in doubt, leave them out. If you have propagated your plants in a net pot full of growing medium (such as coco coir chips or something else carbon-based) it is possible that this could provide a habitat for mutualistic organisms at the plant's root crown. But the nutrient solution itself offers little potential for colonization of anything other than bacteria, which while useful, don't offer the benefits of fungi. This leaves to think making teas or what ever is fine i guess , using beanies what ever you wanna call it but synthetic nutrients kill all micro life
so it can not be used"

Sorry pal all research shows that you have it horribly wrong re microbes not proliferating in hydroponic systems. I.e.

Root Disease in Hydroponics (In Brief)


When science first conceived of hydroponics it was believed that the new artificial growing method would exclude soil borne pathogens. This was quickly disproven and it was soon discovered that a microflora, similar to that found in soils, rapidly established itself in hydroponic systems. For instance, in research with tomatoes grown hydroponically in rockwool it was shown that initially the rockwool contained very low levels of microbial communities, but once plants were introduced, extensive colonization of the media by bacteria and fungi occured rapidly (Price 1980; Carlile and Wilson 1991). Other research has shown that large numbers of heterotrophic bacteria develop in nutrient solutions within 20 hours of planting tomatoes (Berkelmann et al. 1994; Waechter-Kristensen et al.1994).

Oomycetous pathogens (“water moulds”) in particular, such as Pythium, Fusarium and Phytophthora, can easily spread and propagate explosively under favorable conditions, causing serious damage to crops.

Phytophera

Phytophthora (pronounced Fy-tof-thora - meaning plant destroyer) is a water mould, also known as an oomycete.

Phytophthora is an aggressive plant pathogen. When a plant is infected, it is unable to absorb nutrients.

Fusarium oxysporum

Fusarium oxysporum is a common soil fungus, and can become a pathogen causing a wide variety of wilt diseases in plants (usually called Fusarium wilts). Fusarium wilt can be identified with symptoms such as wilting, chlorosis, necrosis, premature leaf drop, browning of the vascular system, stunting, and damping-off.

Pythium

The most common root disease found in hydroponics is caused by Pythium. Pythium attacks the root system and severely limits the plant’s capacity to uptake food. What this ultimately means is an unhealthy crop and a low yield. In severe cases it can lead to crop death.

Pythium disease can be recognized by a brown root system that breaks away when pulled. This may also be accompanied by a musty smell as the root system decays.

Pythium can take hold of a weak, stressed crop far more easily than it can a healthy crop. Making sure that your plants remain healthy through the correct nutrition (particularly during heavy fruiting) and optimum conditions (air temp, water/nutrient temp, RH etc) will give your plants increased resistance against Pythium. I.e. plants grown in optimal conditions (i.e. optimal air temperature, optimal water/nutrient/media temperature, optimal nutrition, optimal RH) will be more resistant to root disease than plants that are subjected to stress as a result of less than optimal growing conditions.

Pythium spores are soil inhabitants. This is why hydroponics and soil don’t mix. Avoid introducing soil into your hydroponics environment! This means taking precautions such as not dragging soil from outdoors into your (indoor) growing environment on your shoes, clothes or hands.

Pythium are water moulds. Because of this, untreated water such as stream, dam, and shallow bore water are high-risk products. If you are going to use stream, dam or bore water in your system you will need to sterilise it prior to use. Rainwater should also be treated because of the likelihood of it collecting wind blown soil.
Managing disease suppression in hydroponics represents the best way of controlling Pythium. Three main strategies can be used: (1) increasing the level of suppressiveness by the addition of antagonistic microorganisms; (2) using a mix of microorganisms with complementary ecological traits and antagonistic abilities, combined with disinfection techniques; and (3) amending substrates and nutrient to favour the development of a beneficial microflora. 1

 

[glow]

Guys what I would ask is rather than posting ill informed opinions (keeping in mind that some stink) can you cite credible research that supports your opinions? It scares the shit out of me that growers are learning from forums if this is the quality of the information they are getting.

 

[glow]

With every post, your credibility as an authority on the subject of cannabis dies more.

At this point I believe your knowledge totals nothing more than a few grabbed together research papers written by people far more intelligent than yourself.



If you think that's what said or meant, it's you who's shown yours.

Mate I couldn't give a shit about what you think - you're about the biggest clown I have ever encountered on a forum and that is truly saying something. Stop killing peoples crops fool.

Here's a cartoon I commissioned with fools like you in mind.

 

[Storm Shadow]

glow....

Don't let the Papa Duck quack attack you...its his specialty

Your on another level and he knows it bro... Im enjoying all of your posts btw ..keep it up man ...good shit

 

[glow]

glow....

Don't let the Papa Duck quack attack you...its his specialty

Your on another level and he knows it bro... Im enjoying all of your posts btw ..keep it up man ...good shit

Don't worry bro, I'm enjoying it too. Someone needs to take an intelligent baseball bat to this fools head. I really pray that growers are not taking advice from this clown - that is what concerns me the most. I enjoy your posts too.

 

[cyat]

glow,

It's good to have you here... thanks for all the good info!

 

[glow]

glow,

It's good to have you here... thanks for all the good info!

My pleasure Cyat - good to meet you. I just hope readers can discern between the good and bad info on this thread.

 

[DrFever]

Hey Glow these sites are great way to get good info ,, Person just has to be cautious on what he takes into his grow room.
Now i have been reading allot about Hydro growing as i am about to do a ppk tree grow which in reality is same thing DWC using flood an drain style a perched water table and wicking, doing some changes implementing aquaponics as well sorta into the equation
we see how it goes anyways this thread has swayed away from adding carbs not sure on the price of Advanced carbo boosts ???? As a soil grower turning to ppk i used liquid honey pretty much the same thing as any carbo boost out there i just make sure i heat it prior i have evened used actual maple tree water ( same stuff they make maple syrup with )
molasses, Honey are plentiful in the micro nutrients and sugars needed for mid to late stages of flowering anything to help plant along the way is key ( keeping her green is key
this helps combat deficiencies allows plant not to use all of its stored glucose.. were just rewarding the plant as i see it

Now on to your Organic hydro an the problems with it
The main problems most novice hydroponic growers have is maintaining the proper nutrient levels in the water reservoir, keeping the ratio of nutrients correct, and having a constantly balanced pH. If these three things are not precisely calibrated, the hydroponic garden will not thrive as it should.
Specialized concentrated nutrients are used in the reservoir, because standard organic nutrients will interact with other organisms in the water and begin to decompose. This can quickly make your reservoir water into a rotting, toxic soup. The concentrated, "clean" synthesized chemicals do not interact with organisms in the water environment, and therefore the reservoir water stays "clean,"

^^^^^^^^^ so how would a person add organic nutrients into DWC ????
being top 1/3 of root system actually is the nutrient uptake and lower root system is water up take ?
from what i am reading going to a dual root system the creation of a primary/upper and secondary/lower composition of the medium in the container. The upper or primary root system and medium of soil or soil substitute is structured so organic nutrients may be applied directly to them. No nutrients are placed in the lower hydroponic watered area or secondary root system.
a hydroponic grow container that allows for organic nutrients to be applied directly to the upper primary growing medium rather than into the lower secondary water receiving root system. and this is where a person has to come up with a way to keep them seperate upper nutrient table and ower water table sorta like ppk growing

 

[BubbaBear]

Quite the heated dick swinging contest over sugar water