Why Not Push Obama Back In Terms He Understands?

[Smoke Buddy]

You have a very simplistic view of the system.

Remember when AG Ashcroft was laying on his back and Card and crew tried to get him to sign the torture memo? Comey told em hell no. If DOJ reported to the pres, the pres wouldn't have to attempt to circumvent delegation of authority by bypassing Comey.

Let me straighten out your twisted logic DB. (Again)
I dont see the request from the Bush administration to the DOJ to provide a legal opinion memo saying that torture is allowed as analogous to an Obama administration telling his AG to lay off a states law that conflicts with federal law. Totally apples and oranges. It would be the same as if a senior officer in the armed forces gave an illegal order and a soldier refused to follow the illegal order.That soldier is doing the right thing as Ashcroft/Comey did. The point being that your analogy does not change the fact that the AG reports directly to the president which he does. Just because you report to the president doesnt mean you lie and gin up bad legal opinion because the admin wants you to, at least not if you are an honest person. The fact is the AG reports to the president.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I think you might gain perspective with a flow chart. Justice doesn't fall under the executive branch. In fact, charts in grade school showed nothing under the "Executive" block. If I'm not mistaken, Justice falls within the judiciary.

If my example is bogus I'll attempt to be more direct. The president appoints who he feels will best serve the people. It's within the president's right to select an AG he feels will best serve his interests. After that, the president is limited in the amount of influence he or she may exert. AG is primarily supposed to enforce existing law. That's why I used the Comey incident. Ashcroft went to the hospital and delegated his authorities to Comey. The president couldn't order Comey to sign the documents and Comey felt it necessary to back Ashcroft laying in a hospital bed. But Ashcroft bucked up and told Card to go to hell. Doesn't sound like the president is da boss to me.

Some presidents align politically with their AGs. Some don't vote the same way. Potential, career justice employees aren't supposed to be politically debriefed. That's why Monica Goodling got in a scrape for politicizing the career side of the Justice Department. Bush got in a lot of jams but if Rove had been implicated in the Goodling scandal, the president could have faced impeachment for undue influence of JD.

Bush had the power to ask for and accept resignations of every state attorney general appointed by his predecessor(s). But firing 10 of em for not prosecuting political opponents got Bush in another scrape. If it could have been proven these AGs were fired for political insubordination, Bush could have faced impeachment.

In the first place, Obama would have to want to exert influence over state AGs aggressively perusing weed commerce. Even the arguably biased chart and article credits Obama for largely keeping his word on not going after legal non-profits that run according to state law. We've got growers shipping stuff east and all kind kinds of profit everywhere you look. Looks to me like some of these states are usurping their own laws, falling victim to the feds.

Some of these folks asking whether Obama could order change might consider whether Obama wants what they want. I get the impression the answer is no. If I were a broke venture capitalist I might point the finger but otherwise it's easy to see the big picture if you're willing to look.

 

[Smoke Buddy]

I think you might gain perspective with a flow chart. Justice doesn't fall under the executive branch. In fact, charts in grade school showed nothing under the "Executive" block. If I'm not mistaken, Justice falls within the judiciary.

If my example is bogus I'll attempt to be more direct. The president appoints who he feels will best serve the people. It's within the president's right to select an AG he feels will best serve his interests. After that, the president is limited in the amount of influence he or she may exert. AG is primarily supposed to enforce existing law. That's why I used the Comey incident. Ashcroft went to the hospital and delegated his authorities to Comey. The president couldn't order Comey to sign the documents and Comey felt it necessary to back Ashcroft laying in a hospital bed. But Ashcroft bucked up and told Card to go to hell. Doesn't sound like the president is da boss to me.

Some presidents align politically with their AGs. Some don't vote the same way. Justice career employees aren't supposed to be politically oriented for employment. That's why Monica Goodling got in a scrape for politicizing the career side of the Justice Department. Bush got in a lot of jams but if Rove had been implicated in the Goodling scandal, the president could have faced impeachment for undue influence of JD.

Bush had the power to ask for and accept resignations of every state attorney general appointed by his predecessor(s). But firing 10 of em for not prosecuting political opponents got Bush in another scrape. If it could have been proven these AGs were fired for political insubordination, Bush could have faced impeachment.

Well let me set you straight again.

DOJ is part of the Executive branch. Thats the reason Bush could fire those US Attorneys in the first place. I have no clue why you would think they are part of the Judicial other than they are LEO... That conclusion is wrong. All the US departments with cabinet positions as heads are part of the Executive branch and always have been..

Here is the org chart that you obviously missed "in grade school"... I dont think they explain that in gradeschool anyway but any poli sci college level class goes over it in detail I can tell you that from experience. :

http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/Federal/Executive.shtml

Executive Office of the President

• President Barack Obama
• First Lady Michelle Obama
• Vice President Joe Biden
• Dr. Jill Biden
• The White House Home Page
• The President's Cabinet

Executive Departments

• Department of Agriculture (USDA)
• Department of Commerce (DOC)
• Department of Defense (DOD)
• Department of Education (ED)
• Department of Energy (DOE)
• Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)
• Department of Homeland Security (DHS)
• Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD)
• Department of Justice (DOJ)
• Department of Labor (DOL)
• Department of State (DOS)
• Department of the Interior (DOI)
• Department of the Treasury
• Department of Transportation (DOT)
• Department of Veterans Affairs (VA)

Case closed... you were mistaken.. no biggie but the fact remains that the AG and the DOJ report to, not lie for or do unlawful things for, the Executive branch. (Somebody should tell Holder that he's not supposed to lie for the president. Maybe he could take a clue from Bushes AG that refused to be a fukin turd for his boss...)

have a nice evening DB

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Well let me set you straight again.

DOJ is part of the Executive branch. Thats the reason Bush could fire those US Attorneys in the first place. I have no clue why you would think they are part of the Judicial other than they are LEO... That conclusion is wrong. All the US departments with cabinet positions as heads are part of the Executive branch and always have been..

Here is the org chart that you obviously missed "in grade school"... I dont think they explain that in gradeschool anyway but any poli sci college level class goes over it in detail I can tell you that from experience. :

http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/Federal/Executive.shtml

Executive Office of the President

• President Barack Obama
• First Lady Michelle Obama
• Vice President Joe Biden
• Dr. Jill Biden
• The White House Home Page
• The President's Cabinet

Executive Departments

• Department of Agriculture (USDA)
• Department of Commerce (DOC)
• Department of Defense (DOD)
• Department of Education (ED)
• Department of Energy (DOE)
• Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)
• Department of Homeland Security (DHS)
• Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD)
• Department of Justice (DOJ)
• Department of Labor (DOL)
• Department of State (DOS)
• Department of the Interior (DOI)
• Department of the Treasury
• Department of Transportation (DOT)
• Department of Veterans Affairs (VA)

Case closed... you were mistaken.. no biggie but the fact remains that the AG and the DOJ report to, not lie for or do unlawful things for, the Executive branch. (Somebody should tell Holder that he's not supposed to lie for the president. Maybe he could take a clue from Bushes AG that refused to be a fukin turd for his boss...)

have a nice evening DB

I'll say it again - Some of these folks asking whether Obama could order change might consider whether Obama wants what they want.

Governmental representation in an administrative capacity of any kind can be considered administrative agency. The president is an administrative agent whose enabling statute is the federal Constitution. The thirteen executive departments reporting to the president are administrative agencies. For example, the department of justice is a cabinet-level executive department, but it functions as the administrative agency that addresses the legal concerns of the U.S. government and its people. The departments housed within the Department of Justice, such as the Drug Enforcement Administration and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, are also administrative agencies, and they have procedures and rules of their own...

An administrative agency that falls under the direction of the Executive Branch is referred to as an executive agency. However, an enabling statute may establish an independent agency, commission, or board, which does not fall under the direction of the president...Administrative agency rules and regulations often have the force of law against individuals. This tendency has led many critics to charge that the creation of agencies circumvents the constitutional directive that laws are to be created by elected officials. According to these critics, administrative agencies constitute an unconstitutional, bureaucratic fourth branch of government with powers that exceed those of the three recognized branches (the legislative, executive, and judiciary).

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Debra Burlingame, the sister of Chip Burlingame (pilot of the plane that crashed into the Pentagon) met with President Obama today, along with other families who were victims of 9/11. Burlingame said she confronted Obama about Attorney General Eric Holder prosecuting the men who interrogated KSM, which may have produced intelligence leading us to bin Laden.


Burlingame describes the encounter with Obama: "As a former attorney I know you can't tell the Attorney General what to do, he said, 'No, I can't.' But I said 'we -- that shouldn't stop you from giving your opinion. We wouldn't be here today if they hadn't done their jobs. Can't you at least give them your opinion.' And he said 'no I won't,' and he turned around and walked away."


http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/05/05/obama-turns-his-back-911-family-member

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

a few things to consider before attempting to remove weed from schedule 1

a few things to consider before attempting to remove weed from schedule 1

Part B -- Authority to Control; Standards and Schedules

From the U.S. Code Online via GPO Access
[www.gpoaccess.gov]
[Laws in effect as of January 3, 2007]
[CITE: 21USC811]
Section 811. Authority and Criteria for Classification of Substances

(a) Rules and regulations of Attorney General; hearing
The Attorney General shall apply the provisions of this subchapter to the controlled substances listed in the schedules established by section 812 of this title and to any other drug or other substance added to such schedules under this subchapter. Except as provided in subsections (d) and (e) of this section, the Attorney General may by rule--

(1) add to such a schedule or transfer between such schedules any drug or other substance if he--
(A) finds that such drug or other substance has a potential for abuse, and
(B) makes with respect to such drug or other substance the findings prescribed by
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subsection (b) of section 812 of this title for the schedule in which such drug is to be placed; or
(2) remove any drug or other substance from the schedules if he finds that the drug or other substance does not meet the requirements for inclusion in any schedule.
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Rules of the Attorney General under this subsection shall be made on the record after opportunity for a hearing pursuant to the rulemaking procedures prescribed by subchapter II of chapter 5 of title 5. Proceedings for the issuance, amendment, or repeal of such rules may be initiated by the Attorney General (1) on his own motion, (2) at the request of the Secretary, or (3) on the petition of any interested party.

(b) Evaluation of drugs and other substances

The Attorney General shall, before initiating proceedings under subsection (a) of this section to control a drug or other substance or to remove a drug or other substance entirely from the schedules, and after gathering the necessary data, request from the Secretary a scientific and medical evaluation, and his recommendations, as to whether such drug or other substance should be so controlled or removed as a controlled substance. In making such evaluation and recommendations, the Secretary shall consider the factors listed in paragraphs (2), (3), (6), (7), and (8) of subsection (c) of this section and any scientific or medical considerations involved in paragraphs (1), (4), and (5) of such subsection. The recommendations of the Secretary shall include recommendations with respect to the appropriate schedule, if any, under which such drug or other substance should be listed. The evaluation and the recommendations of the Secretary shall be made in writing and submitted to the Attorney General within a reasonable time. The recommendations of the Secretary to the Attorney General shall be binding on the Attorney General as to such scientific and medical matters, and if the Secretary recommends that a drug or other substance not be controlled, the Attorney General shall not control the drug or other substance. If the Attorney General determines that these facts and all other relevant data constitute substantial evidence of potential for abuse such as to warrant control or substantial evidence that the drug or other substance should be removed entirely from the schedules, he shall initiate proceedings for control or removal, as the case may be, under subsection (a) of this section.

(c) Factors determinative of control or removal from schedules
In making any finding under subsection (a) of this section or under subsection (b) of section 812 of this title, the Attorney General shall consider the following factors with respect to each drug or other substance proposed to be controlled or removed from the schedules:

(1) Its actual or relative potential for abuse.
(2) Scientific evidence of its pharmacological effect, if known.
(3) The state of current scientific knowledge regarding the drug or other substance.
(4) Its history and current pattern of abuse.
(5) The scope, duration, and significance of abuse.
(6) What, if any, risk there is to the public health.
(7) Its psychic or physiological dependence liability.
(8) Whether the substance is an immediate precursor of a substance already controlled under this subchapter.
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(d) International treaties, conventions, and protocols requiring control; procedures respecting changes in drug schedules of Convention on Psychotropic Substances

(1) If control is required by United States obligations under international treaties, conventions, or protocols in effect on October 27, 1970, the Attorney General shall issue an order controlling such drug under the schedule he deems most appropriate to carry out such obligations, without regard to the findings required by subsection (a) of this section or section 812(b) of this title and without regard to the procedures prescribed by subsections (a) and (b) of this section.

(2)(A) Whenever the Secretary of State receives notification from the Secretary-General of the United Nations that information has been transmitted by or to the World Health Organization, pursuant to article 2 of the Convention on Psychotropic Substances, which may justify adding a drug or other substance to one of the schedules of the Convention, transferring a drug or substance from one schedule to another, or deleting it from the schedules, the Secretary of State shall immediately transmit the notice to the Secretary of Health and Human Services who shall publish it in the Federal Register and provide opportunity to interested persons to submit to him comments respecting the scientific and medical evaluations which he is to prepare respecting such drug or substance. The Secretary of Health and Human Services shall prepare for transmission through the Secretary of State to the World Health Organization such medical and scientific evaluations as may be appropriate regarding the possible action that could be proposed by the World Health Organization respecting the drug or substance with respect to which a notice was transmitted under this subparagraph.

(B) Whenever the Secretary of State receives information that the Commission on Narcotic Drugs of the United Nations proposes to decide whether to add a drug or other substance to one of the schedules of the Convention, transfer a drug or substance from one schedule to another, or delete it from the schedules, the Secretary of State shall transmit timely notice to the Secretary of Health and Human Services of such information who shall publish a summary of such information in the Federal Register and provide opportunity to interested persons to submit to him comments respecting the recommendation which he is to furnish, pursuant to this subparagraph, respecting such proposal. The Secretary of Health and Human Services shall evaluate the proposal and furnish a recommendation to the Secretary of State which shall be binding on the representative of the United States in discussions and negotiations relating to the proposal.

(3) ,When the United States receives notification of a scheduling decision pursuant to article 2 of the Convention on Psychotropic Substances that a drug or other substance has been added or transferred to a schedule specified in the notification or receives notification (referred to in this subsection as a "schedule notice") that existing legal controls applicable under this subchapter to a drug or substance and the controls required by the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act [21 U.S.C. 301 et seq.] do not meet the requirements of the schedule of the Convention in which such drug or substance has been placed, the Secretary of Health and Human Services after consultation with the Attorney General, shall first determine whether existing legal controls under this subchapter applicable to the drug or substance and the controls required by the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, meet the requirements of the schedule specified in the notification or schedule notice and shall take the following action:

(A) If such requirements are met by such existing controls but the Secretary of Health and Human Services nonetheless believes that more stringent controls should be applied to the drug or substance, the Secretary shall recommend to the Attorney General that he initiate proceedings for scheduling the drug or substance, pursuant to subsections (a) and (b) of this section, to apply to such controls.

(B) If such requirements are not met by such existing controls and the Secretary of Health and Human Services concurs in the scheduling decision or schedule notice transmitted by the notification, the Secretary shall recommend to the Attorney General that he initiate proceedings for scheduling the drug or substance under the appropriate schedule pursuant to subsections (a) and (b) of this section.

(C) If such requirements are not met by such existing controls and the Secretary of Health and Human Services does not concur in the scheduling decision or schedule notice transmitted by the notification, the Secretary shall--

(i) if he deems that additional controls are necessary to protect the public health and safety, recommend to the Attorney General that he initiate proceedings for scheduling the drug or substance pursuant to subsections (a) and (b) of this section, to apply such additional controls;
(ii) request the Secretary of State to transmit a notice of qualified acceptance, within the period specified in the Convention, pursuant to paragraph 7 of article 2 of the Convention, to the Secretary-General of the United Nations;
(iii) request the Secretary of State to transmit a notice of qualified acceptance as prescribed in clause (ii) and request the Secretary of State to ask for a review by the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations, in accordance with paragraph 8 of article 2 of the Convention, of the scheduling decision; or
(iv) in the case of a schedule notice, request the Secretary of State to take appropriate action under the Convention to initiate proceedings to remove the drug or substance from the schedules under the Convention or to transfer the drug or substance to a schedule under the Convention different from the one specified in the schedule notice.
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(4)(A) If the Attorney General determines, after consultation with the Secretary of Health and Human Services, that proceedings initiated under recommendations made under paragraph \1\ (B) or (C)(i) of paragraph (3) will not be completed within the time period required by paragraph 7 of article 2 of the Convention, the Attorney General, after consultation with the Secretary and after providing interested persons opportunity to submit comments respecting the requirements of the temporary order to be issued under this sentence, shall issue a temporary order controlling the drug or substance under schedule IV or V, whichever is most appropriate to carry out the minimum United States obligations under paragraph 7 of article 2 of the Convention. As a part of such order, the Attorney General shall, after consultation with the Secretary, except such drug or substance from the application of any provision of part C of this subchapter which he finds is not required to carry out the United States obligations under paragraph 7 of article 2 of the Convention. In the case of proceedings initiated under subparagraph (B) of paragraph (3), the Attorney General, concurrently with the issuance of such order, shall request the Secretary of State to transmit a notice of qualified acceptance to the Secretary-General of the United Nations pursuant to paragraph 7 of article 2 of the Convention. A temporary order issued under this subparagraph controlling a drug or other substance subject to proceedings initiated under subsections (a) and (b) of this section shall expire upon the effective date of the application to the drug or substance of the controls resulting from such proceedings.

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(B) After a notice of qualified acceptance of a scheduling decision with respect to a drug or other substance is transmitted to the Secretary-General of the United Nations in accordance with clause (ii) or (iii) of paragraph (3)(C) or after a request has been made under clause (iv) of such paragraph with respect to a drug or substance described in a schedule notice, the Attorney General, after consultation with the Secretary of Health and Human Services and after providing interested persons opportunity to submit comments respecting the requirements of the order to be issued under this sentence, shall issue an order controlling the drug or substance under schedule IV or V, whichever is most appropriate to carry out the minimum United States obligations under paragraph 7 of article 2 of the Convention in the case of a drug or substance for which a notice of qualified acceptance was transmitted or whichever the Attorney General determines is appropriate in the case of a drug or substance described in a schedule notice. As a part of such order, the Attorney General shall, after consultation with the Secretary, except such drug or substance from the application of any provision of part C of this subchapter which he finds is not required to carry out the United States obligations under paragraph 7 of [[Page 383]] article 2 of the Convention. If, as a result of a review under paragraph 8 of article 2 of the Convention of the scheduling decision with respect to which a notice of qualified acceptance was transmitted in accordance with clause (ii) or (iii) of paragraph (3)(C)--

(i) the decision is reversed, and
(ii) the drug or substance subject to such decision is not required to be controlled under schedule IV or V to carry out the minimum United States obligations under paragraph 7 of article 2 of the Convention, the order issued under this subparagraph with respect to such drug or substance shall expire upon receipt by the United States of the review decision. If, as a result of action taken pursuant to action initiated under a request transmitted under clause (iv) of paragraph (3)(C), the drug or substance with respect to which such action was taken is not required to be controlled under schedule IV or V, the order issued under this paragraph with respect to such drug or substance shall expire upon receipt by the United States of a notice of the action taken with respect to such drug or substance under the Convention.
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(C) An order issued under subparagraph (A) or (B) may be issued without regard to the findings required by subsection (a) of this section or by section 812(b) of this title and without regard to the procedures prescribed by subsection (a) or (b) of this section.

(5) Nothing in the amendments made by the Psychotropic Substances Act of 1978 or the regulations or orders promulgated thereunder shall be construed to preclude requests by the Secretary of Health and Human Services or the Attorney General through the Secretary of State, pursuant to article 2 or other applicable provisions of the Convention, for review of scheduling decisions under such Convention, based on new or additional information.

(e) Immediate precursors
The Attorney General may, without regard to the findings required by subsection (a) of this section or section 812(b) of this title and without regard to the procedures prescribed by subsections (a) and (b) of this section, place an immediate precursor in the same schedule in which the controlled substance of which it is an immediate precursor is placed or in any other schedule with a higher numerical designation. If the Attorney General designates a substance as an immediate precursor and places it in a schedule, other substances shall not be placed in a schedule solely because they are its precursors.

Abuse Potential

(f) Abuse potential

If, at the time a new-drug application is submitted to the Secretary for any drug having a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system, it appears that such drug has an abuse potential, such information shall be forwarded by the Secretary to the Attorney General.

(g) Exclusion of non-narcotic substances sold over the counter without a prescription; dextromethorphan; exemption of substances lacking abuse potential

(1) The Attorney General shall by regulation exclude any non- narcotic drug which contains a controlled substance from the application of this subchapter and subchapter II of this chapter if such drug may, under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act [21 U.S.C. 301 et seq.], be lawfully sold over the counter without a prescription.

(2) Dextromethorphan shall not be deemed to be included in any schedule by reason of enactment of this subchapter unless controlled after October 27, 1970 pursuant to the foregoing provisions of this section.

(3) The Attorney General may, by regulation, exempt any compound, mixture, or preparation containing a controlled substance from the application of all or any part of this subchapter if he finds such compound, mixture, or preparation meets the requirements of one of the following categories:

(A) A mixture, or preparation containing a nonnarcotic controlled substance, which mixture or preparation is approved for prescription use, and which contains one or more other active ingredients which are not listed in any schedule and which are included therein in such combinations, quantity, proportion, or concentration as to vitiate the potential for abuse.

(B) A compound, mixture, or preparation which contains any controlled substance, which is not for administration to a human being or animal, and which is packaged in such form or concentration, or with adulterants or denaturants, so that as packaged it does not present any significant potential for abuse.

(C) Upon the recommendation of the Secretary of Health and Human Services, a compound, mixture, or preparation which contains any anabolic steroid, which is intended for administration to a human being or an animal, and which, because of its concentration, preparation, formulation or delivery system, does not present any significant potential for abuse.
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(h) Temporary scheduling to avoid imminent hazards to public safety

(1) If the Attorney General finds that the scheduling of a substance in schedule I on a temporary basis is necessary to avoid an imminent hazard to the public safety, he may, by order and without regard to the requirements of subsection (b) of this section relating to the Secretary of Health and Human Services, schedule such substance in schedule I if the substance is not listed in any other schedule in section 812 of this title or if no exemption or approval is in effect for the substance under section 505 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act [21 U.S.C. 355].

Such an order may not be issued before the expiration of thirty
days from--

(A) the date of the publication by the Attorney General of a notice in the Federal Register of the intention to issue such order and the grounds upon which such order is to be issued, and
(B) the date the Attorney General has transmitted the notice required by paragraph (4).
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(2) The scheduling of a substance under this subsection shall expire at the end of one year from the date of the issuance of the order scheduling such substance, except that the Attorney General may, during the pendency of proceedings under subsection (a)(1) of this section with respect to the substance, extend the temporary scheduling for up to six months.

(3) When issuing an order under paragraph (1), the Attorney General shall be required to consider, with respect to the finding of an imminent hazard to the public safety, only those factors set forth in paragraphs (4), (5), and (6) of subsection (c) of this section, including actual abuse, diversion from legitimate channels, and clandestine importation, manufacture, or distribution.

(4) The Attorney General shall transmit notice of an order proposed to be issued under paragraph (1) to the Secretary of Health and Human Services. In issuing an order under paragraph (1), the Attorney General shall take into consideration any comments submitted by the Secretary in response to a notice transmitted pursuant to this paragraph.

(5) An order issued under paragraph (1) with respect to a substance shall be vacated upon the conclusion of a subsequent rulemaking proceeding initiated under subsection (a) of this section with respect to such substance.

(6) An order issued under paragraph (1) is not subject to judicial review.

(Pub. L. 91-513, title II, Sec. 201, Oct. 27, 1970, 84 Stat. 1245; Pub. L. 95-633, title I, Sec. 102(a), Nov. 10, 1978, 92 Stat. 3769; Pub. L. 96-88, title V, Sec. 509(b), Oct. 17, 1979, 93 Stat. 695; Pub. L. 98- 473, title II, Secs. 508, 509(a), Oct. 12, 1984, 98 Stat. 2071, 2072; Pub. L. 108-358, Sec. 2(b), Oct. 22, 2004, 118 Stat. 1663.)

References in Text

This subchapter, referred to in subsecs. (a), (c)(8), (d)(3), (4)(A), (B), and (g)(2), (3), was in the original "this title", meaning title II of Pub. L. 91-513, Oct. 27, 1970, 84 Stat. 1242, as amended, and is popularly known as the "Controlled Substances Act". For complete classification of title II to the Code, see second paragraph of Short Title note set out under section 801 of this title and Tables.

The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, referred to in subsecs. (d)(3) and (g)(1), is act June 25, 1938, ch. 675, 52 Stat. 1040, as amended, which is classified generally to chapter 9 (Sec. 301 et seq.) of this title. For complete classification of this Act to the Code, see section 301 of this title and Tables.

Schedules I, IV, and V, referred to in subsecs. (d)(4)(A), (B), and (h)(1), are set out in section 812(c) of this title.

The Psychotropic Substances Act of 1978, referred to in subsec. (d)(5), is Pub. L. 95-633, Nov. 10, 1978, 92 Stat. 3768, which enacted sections 801a, 830, and 852 of this title, amended sections 352, 802, 811, 812, 823, 827, 841 to 843, 872, 881, 952, 953, and 965 of this title and section 242a of Title 42, The Public Health and Welfare, repealed section 830 of this title effective Jan. 1, 1981, and enacted provisions set out as notes under sections 801, 801a, 812, and 830 of this title. For complete classification of this Act to the Code, see Short Title of 1978 Amendment note set out under section 801 of this title and Tables.

This subchapter and subchapter II of this chapter, referred to in subsec. (g)(1), was in the original "titles II and III of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act", which was translated as meaning titles II and III of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970, Pub. L. 91-513, Oct. 27, 1970, 84 Stat. 1242, 1285, as amended, to reflect the probable intent of Congress. Title II is classified principally to this subchapter and part A of title III comprises subchapter II of this chapter. For complete classification of this Act to the Code, see Short Title notes set out under section 801 of this title and Tables.

Amendments

2004--Subsec. (g)(1). Pub. L. 108-358, Sec. 2(b)(1), substituted "drug which contains a controlled substance from the application of this subchapter and subchapter II of this chapter if such drug" for "substance from a schedule if such substance".

Subsec. (g)(3)(C). Pub. L. 108-358, Sec. 2(b)(2), added subpar. (C).

1984--Subsec. (g)(3). Pub. L. 98-473, Sec. 509(a), added par. (3). Subsec. (h). Pub. L. 98-473, Sec. 508, added subsec. (h).

1978--Subsec. (d). Pub. L. 95-633 designated existing provisions as par. (1) and added pars. (2) to (5).

Change of Name

"Secretary of Health and Human Services" substituted for "Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare" in subsec. (d)(2), (3), (4)(A), (B), (5) pursuant to section 509(b) of Pub. L. 96-88 which is classified to section 3508(b) of Title 20, Education.

Effective Date of 2004 Amendment

Amendment by Pub. L. 108-358 effective 90 days after Oct. 22, 2004, see section 2(d) of Pub. L. 108-358, set out as a note under section 802 of this title.

Effective Date of 1978 Amendment

Amendment by Pub. L. 95-633 effective on date the Convention on Psychotropic Substances enters into force in the United States [July 15, 1980], see section 112 of Pub. L. 95-633, set out as an Effective Date note under section 801a of this title.

NOTICE: This is an unofficial version. An official version of this publication may be obtained
directly from the Government Printing Office (GPO).
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/21usc/811.htm

 

[Smoke Buddy]

I'll say it again - Some of these folks asking whether Obama could order change might consider whether Obama wants what they want.

Yeah. I know. Thays MY point. Obama has no intention of sticking to his earlier stated position but in order to keep the faithful voting his way he needs insulation. The US Attorneys are trying to give him that. Which is exactly what I said days ago on the subject but some people want to argue specific small points like reporting structure.


Its pretty fukin weak not to admit you were wrong,,, and I would normally not rub it in but since you dont aquiesce, I will say you were dead fukin wrong and wasted a bunch of time on a mistake. Right?

 

[dagnabit]

the cheerleaders have a better argument for the QB.

they should go away from trying to convince people the president has no control over executive agencies.
(DB used to argue the AG had no control till i gave him the info he just quoted)

they should point out the US can not legalize without breaking long standing treaties with the UN.
http://www.unodc.org/pdf/convention_1988_en.pdf

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

You're not exactly right either, dag. You pitched a fit when I referenced wiki that makes the same argument I'm making here.

Your idea the prez tells the AG what to do fell on it's face, you stopped making it. Then you simply picked up the same argument for AG. That doesn't fly either.

I believe your argument was that the AG can reschedule at will. But you ignore the parameters AG has to follow. Like -

Attorney General shall consider the following factors with respect to each drug or other substance proposed to be controlled or removed from the schedules:

(1) Its actual or relative potential for abuse.
(2) Scientific evidence of its pharmacological effect, if known.
(3) The state of current scientific knowledge regarding the drug or other substance.
(4) Its history and current pattern of abuse.
(5) The scope, duration, and significance of abuse.
(6) What, if any, risk there is to the public health.
(7) Its psychic or physiological dependence liability.
(8) Whether the substance is an immediate precursor of a substance already controlled under this subchapter.

You right, AG may 'consider factors' but DHH determines these factors. International treaties have to be considered and DHH has to handshake JD here too.

Interesting note - DHH secretary can ok rescheduling w/o another study. DHH secretary might be the most influential individual in the whole process.


If I'm a cheerleader for pointing out some details you two are loathe to admit, you're both simpletons.

 

[dagnabit]

never stopped making anything..

executive is charged with execution...

no point in trying to convince a cheerleader their team sux.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

You're comparing the prez to corporate executive. What you're ignoring is separation of power.

If I'm a cheerleader for pointing out some of what you're ignoring, you're a simpleton. I know, it's hard to point your boney finger at a process. You'd much rather point to an individual so your brain doesn't have to sweat.

 

[dagnabit]

yea thats it..

thanks for looking out for my poor brain


why have the same argument.
you believe the DOJ is an autonomous unit that reports to the supreme court or some such nonsense.
i believe the DOJ is an administrative department of the executive branch of government led by the chief executive.

 

[BrnCow]

Fuck B.O....he is gone... we need to all vote for Ron Paul and risk another 4 to possibly straighten this shit out. He has plenty of experience and good, solid ideas...fuck parties also..no more for me... I vote my logic...