A few questions for a Soon-To-Be Grower.

[WifiSeedsPlz]

lol and again you mock the system while you didn't even try it. Those buds are bigger than your so tell me how can you have a higher yield if your buds are much smaller? Those guys even used 600W bulbs if you use 1000W those buds will be even bigger

You know you're wrong thats why you get in the defensive mode, like I said before if that works good for you I'm happy for you. Do whatever works for you but don't bash something you don't even know it only says a lot about the person who does.

And please spare me your "enemy" story it only makes you look childish, I know you can do much better than that.

Even if his buds were smaller that doesn't mean you automatically had a higher yield. Some strains produce smaller buds and a lot of them and some strains produce bigger buds, but less of them. You also have to consider other factors like density.

 

[WifiSeedsPlz]

This has nothing to do with who is right or who is wrong, as growers we all want the same and thats great quality weed with the highest yield. This can be done with the 12/12 method. Your method works too but the long veg is a waste of time and energy because with the 12/12 method you can get more yield and better quality within the same time as a long veg period. Thats my whole point. I have posted links to grow journals thats enough evidence, you like it or hate it. We don't need to agree with eachother, one likes to get high wile an another likes to be stoned.

Tell me exactly how 12/12 produces 'better quality' marijuana? I am very interested to hear this THEORY.

 

[WifiSeedsPlz]

Your method would work with a higher plant count best but that is not what the original poster can do.

Exactly my previous point. Glad someone agrees.

 

[WifiSeedsPlz]

Dude, the average yield per plant with 12/12 is 3oz per plant. You get 4 oz per plant with a long veg period.

You told him to veg for 7 weeks, lets say the flower period takes 9 weeks. Totally it would take 16 weeks to finish, the yield would be 16oz.

With 12/12 you'll get around 3oz per plant. You start with 12/12 which will take lets say 8/9 weeks. The yield would be 3 * 6 oz which is 18oz.

You start with an another round and with the same time as the long veg method you will get around 36oz.

It cant be clearer than this. Even if it would be 2 oz within the same time he would yield more. So in this case long veg is a waste of time, you're letting your yield go.

Just because you claim to yield 3 oz per plant using the 12/12 from seed method doesn't mean the same will work the OP. There are many different variables to consider.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

I was under the impretion the original poster wanted to maximize yield because he asked how much he could get.

Screws and frank are right and I will stop posting till the original poster clarifies.

 

[WifiSeedsPlz]

Seriously why do you even reply twice? Why not in one post.

Yeah just go away because you have failed not only with growing but also with simple plain basic math. 2/3oz is the average yield per plant with 12/12 those are facts, if you cant believe the fact you have been wasting energy it's your problem. All you have shown me is that a long veg is a waste of time. You're so full of lies, every time you seem to dodge anything by making a no-sense comment, you do that because you know a long veg method isn't that effective compared to a 12/12 method.

If he knew that 12/12 from seed was the more effective method don't you think he would be practicing it?? I think a lot more people would be practicing it. Let's poll ICMAG and see which method is more standard/popular.

 

[Crooked8]

The only way flowering a 600w-1k light from seed with no veg could work would be with a ton of seeds. Holland guy is basically saying people dont need to veg. He was saying you could take a seed or a clone and put it right into flowering and get 2-3oz. I dont believe it. I challenge anyone to take a seedling or a clone of standard 5-8inch height and flower it, even all by itself, under a 1000w light and get 3 dry oz of finished product. Doing it from seed seems literally impossible. Also i agree with ichabod if you cant even show what youre capable of why should we take your advice? Because you have a link to some video where a guy puts a bunch of small plants in a room and flips them? He obviously doesn't understand how plant count effects garden space and predicting yield. I agree with df we dont know the ops needs although he was asking for a 6 plant yield expectation so id assume he wants as much as possible from his efforts like most. In which case, flowering 6 seedling would be a less than strategic option. Im sorry but to come on a forum like this full of professionals and claim we dont need to veg and were just scared because we havent tried it is insulting and moronic. If people didnt need to veg, they wouldnt. He keeps saying im bad at gardening and im wasting effort and time......i guess we all are.

 

[WifiSeedsPlz]

lol I did the math for you as it isnt your strongest part. Yeah sure laugh all you want. No one said something about clones, now you just started them just to change the subject. You know you're wrong, and as for your so called "supporters" they never have tried the 12/12 method so they parrot what the rest says. Yeah I was so impressed when I saw your buds and compared them to the 12/12, I was so impressed how small they are even if you vegged them for a long period.

I have tried 12/12. It was great for quick smoke, but like everyone has stated the yields were not ideal. Again, this would not be ideal for OP with his plant limit which is what the thread is about. If he wanted to break the law and grow a shit ton of plants from 12/12 that might make up for the yield loss, but other monetary factors will go into is such as more lighting, space, grow medium, nutrients, etc. Not to mention time tending to 100 plants when he can tend to his 6 plants. Again, the 12/12 method would not be ideal for the OP. End of story. It doesn't matter who "wins" or who is right and wrong. What matters is what will work best for the OP seeking the senior members advice. They have been around longer than you and probably know the ropes a lot better. This is what they do.

 

[Crooked8]

^^that

 

[WifiSeedsPlz]

^^that

Thank you!!

For real... Most people who come on here asking for advice are seeking the advice of senior members who have seen it all. How many different grow methods do you think you have seen in your years on ICMAG? How many final results have you factored in reading endless grow journals? Probably a lot!! Some were probably very favorable while others simply weren't.

 

[Crooked8]

Thank you wifi. The answer is countless methods and countless results to be honest. I know what a plant with little veg time does when flipped vs a lot. Its very VERY basic. At the end of the day fromholland is saying everyone is doing it wrong. The pros, people who crush my skills in the garden, even them. Anyone who vegges their plants doesnt need to. Which is why this has been hilarious to me. But its also unfair and dangerous to give that advice to a new grower with medicinal needs. As someone who supplies patients regularly, i need to be on point. If i tried this 12/12 from seed method there would be a lot of sick people with no medicine. Which is why i called him an enemy of those seeking success. Maybe that sounds dramatic but its true.

 

[WifiSeedsPlz]

Oh, I know. I have seen it more times than I can count. The worst thing for the OP would be the heartbreak from following Hollands advice if he is hoping on yield VS. quick smoke

 

[Mr Code]

I will not be doing 12/12. I have done my research on that, and I thank you to all who have given good advice. As for those who came here to spam and argue... meh. Please take it elsewhere.

12/12 is good, with high plant count.

I honestly don't even know that I can have 6 plants when medicinal rolls around in Florida.... After doing some more research after a comment on here... it seems they may keep growing it illegal??

Since when are they allowed to make all of the rules and regulations on this... I thought it was all down to vote on how it would work as a whole. I cannot afford to go pay 200+/oz for medication. This is absurd.

If anyone has any info on the legalities of Florida medicinal and growing, please do post it. From what I've found so far, i'm quite upset.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

That is what is nice about the fifty states. Each one has its own rules. If one is to oppressive you can move to one that is not. As long as we keep the power at the state level and not let the federal government become a strong central government we have that option.

Hopefully Florida will change so you can have the freedom to control your life and not be shackled by oppressive government. Till then you still have the option to move to a freer state.

 

[FromHolland]

@Crooked8; Dude, I never said your method isnt the proper way. I said in my opinion it's a waste of time. You're being ignorant just because there are different ways to grow.

 

[Crooked8]

Bro your advice was awful and you tried to argue with me although everyone knew your info was terrible. Im not ignorant, im informed and experienced. I didnt wanna see you fuck up a new med patients grow. That is all. If you wanna call me names go ahead. Not one person agreed with you or even the op. You wasted all that time arguing with me. You also diverted this thread into garbage because you dont understand basic things like how perpetual harvesting works or why one would have inconsistent results with seeds and that veg time and footprint are largely connected and important. I think you should research the benefits to vegging and why everyone does it.

 

[FromHolland]

Bro your advice was awful and you tried to argue with me although everyone knew your info was terrible. Im not ignorant, im informed and experienced. I didnt wanna see you fuck up a new med patients grow. That is all. If you wanna call me names go ahead. Not one person agreed with you or even the op. You wasted all that time arguing with me. You also diverted this thread into garbage because you dont understand basic things like how perpetual harvesting works or why one would have inconsistent results with seeds and that veg time and footprint are largely connected and important. I think you should research the benefits to vegging and why everyone does it.

Not everyone does it. I have told you before the reason why. We don't have to agree with each other as long we get what we want from our harvest it should be fine to both of us. We can talk about this for a long period but that's going to be useless. I also want to apologize if I have offended anyone.

 

[Crooked8]

Nice. I was slightly offended. I nearly cried myself to sleep that night lol. Jk holland, we all saw how the 12/12 could be practical in a high plant count setup. I like huge buds too, but one huge bud vs a giant plant with many big buds is still cool. I wish you the best as well as the op in all endeavors. Im in every growers corner if they want me to be. Well wishes all around

 

[terminalc]

For a new guy I would recommend getting a bag of roots organic 707 soil, cut the top off of it, plant clone, water thoroughly by hand every 3rd day or when dry. Maxi bloom if needed later. Repeat depending on medicine requirements.