LSWM's 3k Vert Donut's @ 7000ft!

[Photosynthesis]

I'm thinking about buying a gallon of SM-90 as well as some Clove and Thyme essential oils, then adding them to the SM-90. Maybe use a slightly lower dosage.

The Adam Dunn show had Clackamas Coot on their show and they were advertising build a soil, and their essential oil mix. It's got Rosemary, Eucalyptus, Lemon Grass, Thyme, Clove, and Ginger oil in it.

You can find itn the essential oil mix HERE. And you can find the episode of the Adam Dunn show HERE. The episode has a load of great information if you can handle how bad the production is due to people being just way too high while doing their discussions.

Get on Ebay, and buy your own oils. Way cheaper in the long run.

I would like to point out that his site says nothing about testing this product. You a guinea pig now?

My spray has been proven time, and time again. Only way to do that is to get pests, and run tests.

There are so many combinations it is endless. His use rates seem fine, but I only use 6ml per gallon, and can take in a mite ridden plant with no worries for the rest of the garden.

Also mixing with neem oil, Dr. Bronner's, etc., can aid in keeping a pest free garden.

There is no end all be all IPM product.

 

[LSWM]

Get on Ebay, and buy your own oils. Way cheaper in the long run.

I would like to point out that his site says nothing about testing this product. You a guinea pig now?

My spray has been proven time, and time again. Only way to do that is to get pests, and run tests.

There are so many combinations it is endless. His use rates seem fine, but I only use 6ml per gallon, and can take in a mite ridden plant with no worries for the rest of the garden.

Also mixing with neem oil, Dr. Bronner's, etc., can aid in keeping a pest free garden.

There is no end all be all IPM product.

I'm not planning to purchase the essential oil mix, just showing it for the ingredients listed. Nor do I believe there is any one, end all pest control product. Each have different uses at different times for different pests. Knowledge is key to winning the battle without using harmful toxic chemicals.

As for purchasing from ebay, read post #219. Castor Oil from Ebay seems to be ~$45 a gallon. Not much cost savings over 4 liters of SM90 for $59...

 

[Photosynthesis]

I didn't see that post. With essential oils, neem, and some Dr. Bronner's you won't need castor oil. Unless you get constipated.

I have not heard of anyone using castor oil. Seems interesting.

 

[LSWM]

Do you use emulsified neem? The castor oil is an emulsifier.

 

[Photosynthesis]

Do you use emulsified neem? The castor oil is an emulsifier.

I use, Neem Oil (Ahimsa brand), Dr. Bronner's baby soap (up to week 2 of flower), Potassium silicate, Rosemary, Lavender, Thyme, and eucalyptus oil. My leaves are waxy, and shiny as hell.

The key is to use warm water, and shake the shit out of it while you spray.

I have taken in many mite infested clones, and they become free and clear after two weekly applications.

Pretty much everyone I know here in Denver has mites except for me. They are everywhere. I use to live deep in the woods in the South, and never had a problem. Come here, and pests galore.

Irony.

I tried multiple different essential oils, and settled on this group. They perform very well.

 

[LSWM]

After asking I began searching and reading that people are using Potassium Silicate to emulsify neem oil. I'm wondering how exactly that works? High pH makes the neem more water soluble? I can't seem to find any information regarding it's emulsifying properties on any site that isn't a marijuana related website, so I don't believe it is truly acting as an emulsifier. I could be wrong.

 

[DunHav`nFun]

The reason I cited Gnatrol WDG is cuz it`s a knockdown and won`t come back kinda thingy as long as it gets cycled through the medium through regular feed /drenches like Icky spoke of earlier , but the reason I didn`t cite SM-90 as a cure all is due to the fact it only encapsulates the eggs and won`t let em hatch....but....

It slows the larvae down but will not stop infestation....now...My feed regimen for over 20 yrs only had 2 additives beside base nutes......

Silicablast/potassium silicate for stemwall strength on bigger plants and overall plant health , and SM-90 for root rot prevention till I went full on coco , and then found out that with innoculated medium @ 5 ml per gal that I`d always run was in fact a systemic and killed rootborn critters in said medium as well...to an extent....so....

Gnatrol for nuclear war AFTER yas already got the lil bastards , and 5 ml per gal SM-90 with every feed for rootzone critter protection from the get for prevention.....but...

Maybe other things organic work too.......

Peace....DHF.......

 

[LSWM]

Speaking of pests, apparently the dog has tapeworms. Seen a live one crawling on her booty today. She had been acting a little weird and her poo was a little soft so I knew something was up.

Guess there goes another $100-200 bucks at the vet. I'm like 90% positive they are tapeworms... I feel like I could just buy the proper dewormer and handle it myself, but all the information I can find online basically says a vet visit is mandatory. Already have one scheduled for the morning!

...anyone want to advise me to handle this myself?

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Food grade diatomicious earth. Look it up. Wet her food and dust it with the DE. Or mix it with something like eggs.

Will kill all her intestinal parasites.

 

[LSWM]

Wow, I had no idea it actually worked. I saw it recommended a couple times but figured it was more of a preventative. Apparently not. Sounds like it will completely eradicate a tapeworm infestation. Has to be added to her food once or twice a day for at least 3-4 weeks sounds like.

I'm becoming more and more confident I can handle this problem myself. I have some food grade DE around here somewhere that I bought for pest control (Doesn't work well with Coco and drippers I've found), so I guess I'll give it a try.

I guess I'll call and cancel my appointment for the vet tomorrow first thing in the morning. If she doesn't pass a grip of worms in the next few days following DE treatment I guess I will either take her to the vet or order a dewormer.

I may have to try out the DE on myself as well.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Watch her droppings. The worms will show up in her stool soon after you give it to her. It will constipate her some so go slow at first and make sure she gets lots of fluids and she does not get bound up.

 

[LSWM]

Okay, dug out my DE, and the container just says Diatomaceous Earth on it. I bought it at the hydro store because that was the only place I could locally source the "food grade" version. I'm 99% sure I asked this question when I bought it...

Do any of you have any tips on identifying the difference between the two? I know the food grade version is the one used for pest control, so I'm assuming what I have is in fact food grade, but I'd rather be on the safe side before ingesting it.

There's like 3 pet supply/feed stores near me so maybe I will just go find some food grade first thing in the morning to be on the safe side.

 

[papaduc]

...anyone want to advise me to handle this myself?

I don't think anyone would advise you not to.
Who told you a vet visit is needed?

I'd never scrimp on my pets when it comes to their health, but worming your dog/cat shouldn't be a $200 job. Even if it's a prescription med you need, you can go to the vet to get them to write the prescription, then order online for a fraction of the price of the vet visit & treatment. That's in the uk anyway, I'm not sure if you can do that in the states but you should at least find out.

I use drontal for my cats and dog, and it has always worked. Tapeworms can be fuckin huge and you'll know if your dog has/had them...

You usually flea treat them before you worm them. Give that a few days to work, then worm them. Reason you do this is because the flea is the carrier of the worm eggs. When the dog grooms itself, just one flea can re-infect the dog with worms. So you break the cycle by flea treating then worming. Google flea worm cycle and that should come up with all the info you need. But far as flea&worm treating them, shh... I could never afford to take all my motherfuckers to the vet and they're happy healthy little things. Just research the product you're going to use, get opinions and advice on it, then do it yourself. Half the time your vet won't even go to that much trouble.

* I've got to give my review on diatomaceous earth... Now, I don't know if I got a shit one or what, but... my cats had fleas a few years back and I heard about DE, so I got some.

I took a flea and put it in a cup of DE... I've heard it lacerates the shell, dries the flea out and the flea dies... not this flea. It hopped round for ages, and ages... I left it til the next day and the only thing I achieved was to inconvenience the flea by keeping it in a glass for 24 hours.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Sorry I don't know how to tell which is which. I can tell you I have eaten it before. Right after I got back from Guatamala after the civil war ended there.

 

[LSWM]

I don't think anyone would advise you not to.
Who told you a vet visit is needed?

I'd never scrimp on my pets when it comes to their health, but worming your dog/cat shouldn't be a $200 job. Even if it's a prescription med you need, you can go to the vet to get them to write the prescription, then order online for a fraction of the price of the vet visit & treatment. That's in the uk anyway, I'm not sure if you can do that in the states but you should at least find out.

I use drontal for my cats and dog, and it has always worked. Tapeworms can be fuckin huge and you'll know if your dog has/had them...

You usually flea treat them before you worm them. Give that a few days to work, then worm them. Reason you do this is because the flea is the carrier of the worm eggs. When the dog grooms itself, just one flea can re-infect the dog with worms. So you break the cycle by flea treating then worming. Google flea worm cycle and that should come up with all the info you need. But far as treating them, shh... I could never afford to take all my motherfuckers to the vet and they're happy healthy little things. Just research the product you're going to use, get opinions and advice on it, then do it yourself. Half the time your vet won't even go to that much trouble.

* I've got to give my review on diatomaceous earth... Now, I don't know if I got a shit one or what, but... my cats had fleas a few years back and I heard about DE, so I got some.

I took a flea and put it in a cup of DE... I've heard it lacerates the shell, dries the flea out and the flea dies... not this flea. It hopped round for ages, and ages... I left it til the next day and the only thing I achieved was to inconvenience the flea by keeping it in a glass for 24 hours.

Unfortunately I tried suggesting I only needed medication, that I had identified the worm, and I even had a specimen to bring in, but the vet said that she had never had a full exam with them and that the vet wouldn't give any medication without a full exam first. Even though that's where she was fixed before I could pick her up, I got her from the animal shelter. They then proceeded to tell me it would be $60 for the exam and another 40-50 depending on medication. Then if the vet recommended a fecal exam that would be even more...

I treated her for fleas a few days ago as I saw her scratching a bit. I don't have a flea comb but I haven't been able to find any on her, she is a black dog though...

Sorry I don't know how to tell which is which. I can tell you I have eaten it before. Right after I got back from Guatamala after the civil war ended there.

Thanks anyway IC! You've been a huge help!

 

[DrFever]

Well a pet is a family member , and should be treated like one ??
there are a lot of different types of intestinal parasites. Hook worms , whip worms , round worms , tape worms and each one of them can cause different serious issues

 

[LSWM]

They are tapeworms. I have successfully identified them. Round worms would be the only other worms you can diagnose visually. Hook worms, whip worms, or heart worms would need other testing be done.

Seeing as how I physically have seen them exiting her anus I know she has tapeworms. Is it possible she has other worms? Yes. Is it possible I would spend $200 and all the test come back false negative? Yes. Is it possible the vet successfully diagnoses and treats her in 1 visit? Unlikely. Is it possible the vet tries to bleed me dry of every dollar they can? Certainly.

I plan to use DE and another worming product if DE is unsuccessful in eradicating the tapeworms. DE can treat all intestinal parasitic worms except for certain species of roundworm is my understanding. I figure a two pronged attack on any intestinal parasites will be good to cover her gut, and the I plan to start her on some heartworm preventative as well.

Sounds like Ivermectin can be toxic to certain breeds of dogs, so I think I may go with another product for heartworms. Maybe spinosad? Idk I haven't gotten that far yet...

 

[LSWM]

After typing all of that, I have just thought about all the work I've already put into her treatment, a vet cannot do the same, although they do have experience... I have the internet!

Beginning to see a lot of parallels to my own health issues and why I choose to treat them myself rather than go to my general practitioner. I successfully diagnosed myself with psoriasis 2 months before I could get an appointment with a dermatologist. Kaiser sucks.

Fortunately or not, I do have prescriptions covered under my current insurance so I do get topical medications though kaiser, although I get them delivered in the mail, and haven't seen my dermatologist in 2 years.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

I believe it is better to treat my dog naturally when a effective treatment is possible. Most manufactured drugs have side affects. DE is 100% natural with a few minor side effects. They are constipation and the sequestration of micro nutrients. Those are the two that I am aware of. Both are easy to take care of. A third problem exist but is not a problem with eating it. It is the inhalation of the powder. Again easy to take care of.

To treat fleas just get a spice shaker and fill it with the DE. Put your hand on the dogs muzzle so she does not turn around while you shake it over her. Shake the dust on her and rub it into the fur gently. Do it gently as not to make dust cloud but to instead work it into the fur. You will also need to treat the yard where she spends most of her time. Dusting will do this. You can get a cheaper DE at tractor supply for this. I have treated my dog a and yard and gotten rid of fleas this way. Watch for other animals in your yard. They can bring fleas into your yard. That is how my dog got them. DE will wash into the soil and not work after a rain.

 

[Mister_D]

Don't use bayer tree and shrub or any imid product as a preventative. Two reasons, first it stays in your plants for months (8-12 of them, yes up to a year), and second it has a tendency to cause reveg like growth in otherwise healthy plants. Imid is some big gun absolute last resort type of shit, not a preventative measure. SM90 on the other hand is a great preventive measure. 5ml per gal. with every watering will stop most instances of root born pests before they have a chance to take hold . It's great shit, and bet you can guess who told me about it . Though I must respectfully disagree on it's ability to wipe out an established population of gnats. I've seen it completely eliminate two bad infestations in different gardens. Took 2-2 1/2 weeks to get them all in both cases, but it worked and both gardens (neither are mine) are gnat free to this day. It also eliminates the small population uprisings generally found in new coco and bagged soil. I'll admit two instances of success (three counting my garden) isn't enough evidence to say for certain it will work in every case, but the results I've seen first hand are encouraging to say the least

Edit: I missed a whole page so this is a lil out of place.