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Conroy has filed a "MMAR Cross Appeal" in response to HC's Appeal of the Injunction

askim69

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Truth and logic can be found in all the arguments made in this thread. Not all will grow. Not all will brew. It is all about flow of money and taxes therein. That being said, just like brewing ur own, u can. Its time consuming, a considerable front end investment and, space is needed to do it right. That and other factors turn potential producers into consumers. In the case of booze, as will be weed I suspect, government collusion with big business ensured that laws and basic restrictions be put in place to funnel capital into the hands of both. That can be exampled by laws pertaining to limits of production capacity, alcohol content, and, in some states, automatic 10 years federal prison for a still. You cant run a still in Canada either. These are government induced corralling actions that funnel the vast majority of profit in desired a direction under the threat and force of the law.

The exact jockeying and market positioning is being done right now on the verge of this next huge boom. They know, the rich, the elites, the bureaucrats, that there is billions in this. They are right now in back rooms colluding with each other, not us, on how to render verdict, and write the laws to ensure this exact same business and socio- economic model be followed. The omni bus was the first step. HUGE penalties for growing. Even small, trivial amounts, auto-matic jail time. Thats the same as 10 years for a still type thing. Its the chilling effect. The threat and potential force of law being hoisted onto the public conscious. Simultaneously, long before it was well known, TSX billionaires were somehow aware of the coming boom and secured massive facilities,operations, and somehow secured most of the few licenses that were made avail by Health Canada. Coincidence, right? I think not.

" The whole world a stage"- Shakespear

If the lid comes off of it, weed will be so cheap that people will buy it. Growers, especially small ones, will not be able to compete with massive outdoor operations. Weed will flow like water. There will be no black market. It will be a very cheap cash crop. Thats easily established based on its ability to grow and thrive with very little effort.

The only salvation and hope for true freedom in ANY of this will be this MMPL case. Depends whos pocket that judge is in. The liberals or the conservatives. If he a Liberal paid judge, cat comes outta the bag, MMPL will be validated and soon there after the courts will fill with challenges on constitutional grounds that its not ok for them to do it and others who are legally prescribed are not. If its a conservative paid judge, the status quo will be maintained and MMPL will be struck down or grandfathered with HEAVY restrictions like, random police inspections and plant counts accompanied by VERY severe penalties when found in violation.

The judge or judges making this weed decision are more than likley being leveraged by either the government in power or, big money that speaks for the people who want to be in power next. Lets hope the liberals have these guys on Yachts in the South pacific being blown by Island girls and smoking fat joints all day long!!!!
 

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i am also wondering why no one in colorado is frolicking around naked in there gardens, quit there jobs and growing full time. it is legl there now int it?

oh thats right, they have kids, careers and no extra square footage. who would have thought that legalized weed didnt mean freedom from all worldly responsbiltiy.

people barely cook for their kids these days, they order out. and these people are the ones lighting up their basements becuase laws say they can haha/

smoke more meth. reality is gona bite you when it comes

med-man
 

fatburt

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i am also wondering why no one in colorado is frolicking around naked in there gardens, quit there jobs and growing full time. it is legl there now int it?

oh thats right, they have kids, careers and no extra square footage. who would have thought that legalized weed didnt mean freedom from all worldly responsbiltiy.

people barely cook for their kids these days, they order out. and these people are the ones lighting up their basements becuase laws say they can haha/

smoke more meth. reality is gona bite you when it comes

med-man

and you base this on.......
cause i never eat out,i cook every day,i grow garden veggies,i think you be talkin city folk cause most people in rural areas are very self sufficient!
 
and you base this on.......
cause i never eat out,i cook every day,i grow garden veggies,i think you be talkin city folk cause most people in rural areas are very self sufficient!



You're being just as generic as he is. The majority of people do not grow their own vegetables. That is a fact. If they did grocery stores wouldn't be a busy. Also I don't know about you, but this is the Canadian sub section and its about to get real inhospitable for tomatoes outdoors around my parts. Even if people grow their own veg garden all summer (3-4 months of it) they still have Dec- April to deal with.
 
well everyone grows their own veggies where im from,at least 85%



I`ll assume that since you know that %85 or everyone as you put it, grows their own vegetables it is a small community. I live in a town of 10,000 ish and I have no idea if 8,500 of those people grow their own, but I also live on a smaller street with may 10-15 houses and also know that only ONE has a vegetable garden, also that it is no where near enough to support him year round. so lets say its one in 10 houses. Thats %10 of people in the town. I think if you do some thinking and searching you may be in a small knit circle of veggie gardeners and the broader picture may be slightly different.

Think farmers markets. If %90 of people grew veggies the markets would shut down.
 

vapor

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GMO free zone here. Lots of folks grow there own food, the taste and value do not even compare to grocery store, way better from the garden to the plate. At the same time the farmers markets are going nuts this time of year around here! A few of us get together and buy a half a full cow or buffalo usually from some one we know.But not to far when you get into town o boy thing change!
 
GMO free zone here. Lots of folks grow there own food, the taste and value do not even compare to grocery store, way better from the garden to the plate. At the same time the farmers markets are going nuts this time of year around here! A few of us get together and buy a half a full cow or buffalo usually from some one we know.But not to far when you get into town o boy thing change!

So pockets of farmers and the majority of people buying the produce..... seems about right. I`d say %100 of smokers that live in a house or setting where they can grow will try it if it is legalized (theres a big wow factor for new growers/smokers. I`d also say that less than %20 will stick it out through multiple harvests.
 

blastfrompast

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Don't forget all those people who can't afford to grow....Can' afford lights, etc. etc. I know people who won't drop $200 on a light, but have no problem dropping $250 on a o...

Or those who don't ant to wait 12 weeks for some smoke.....
 

askim69

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What is this? Your fucking blog?

Its a website. No, not my blog? Is it yours? Since you donated, you think your dick is bigger than everyone elses. Or, is it the 3000 posts you got, .lolol. Oh, VAG PUNCHER, you have so humiliated me and put me in my place with your ignorant wit. lmao....
 

Buddha1

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If Cannabis was made legal tomorrow, a complete shit show would hit the streets, for most likely a long while, just as it has happened to everything that has been legalized in the past, but in time would sort its self out...it would be guaranteed by the free enterprise system.

Prices would level out to a tolerable spot for those that would rather buy, than grow. Those that wanted to grow...would grow, rather than buy. Those that wanted to sell legally would have plenty of clients, even with people legally allowed to grow or self produce. There would even be room for the bootlegger(booze has been legal for many decades and you can still buy a bottle of Moonshine).

There is plenty of room in the Marijuana industry in North America for everyone. The only reason I can see as to "WHY" its still not legal...that is the greed of our own governments. If they could figure a way to make tax dollars off everyone involved in the MJ industry...from the personal grower to the licensed producer selling to the public and everyone in between...IT WOULD ALREADY BE LEGAL!!!

Fact is...It would have been legal back in the 70's.

Just my 2 cents.

Peace...B
 
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med-man

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models exist already

prices are 10-20 a g in depos canada, in holland, cali and colorado

med-man
 

diffusing

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in holland its still illegal to sell to the coffee shops, its not legal. In the US its still federally illegal so there is risk. I really have no fucking clue what is happening here in canada. its legal medicinally federally, so 0 risk, but the vendors are all seemingly shady, cutting corners and selling crap product at crazy high prices, ripping off sick people in order to make their shareholders rich! good times.

I think in a free system/society, where personal/small scale growing, and recreational use of a plant is permitted, we would see closer to 5$/g, and that's possibly too high. I mean *very* good blackmarket shit is ~ 4.50$gram, and they have risk, lots of it, and a much higher quality that has been seen from a LP so far imho. Let the small scale guys get involved too, pass the same QA as the LPs for the bud and compete. Same as selling corn or tomatoes for fuck sakes. Can we only buy corn from Walmart or Costco? Thank god that's not the world we live in. I would rather buy from a local farmer any day, he cares about his product or he will go bankrupt. there is no monopoly for him.

Now that you're a corporate pawn you must agree with the party line, understood. Its impossible not to if you prefer to be employed. that's just the way capitalism works. I hope in 2 years you can still look yourself in the mirror. I really do. I know you mean well. At least you are in on the ground floor, and hopefully can influence the direction that your corp goes..

:)
 

med-man

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pretty soon i will have produced more indoor weed then any other human in history

at 25000 kg a year. i am pretty sure we will be putting the client and their needs first.

med-man
 

Buddha1

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If Cannabis was made legal tomorrow, a complete shit show would hit the streets, for most likely a long while, just as it has happened to everything that has been legalized in the past, but in time would sort its self out...it would be guaranteed by the free enterprise system.

Prices would level out to a tolerable spot for those that would rather buy, than grow. Those that wanted to grow...would grow, rather than buy. Those that wanted to sell legally would have plenty of clients, even with people legally allowed to grow or self produce. There would even be room for the bootlegger(booze has been legal for many decades and you can still buy a bottle of Moonshine).

There is plenty of room in the Marijuana industry in North America for everyone. The only reason I can see as to "WHY" its still not legal...that is the greed of our own governments. If they could figure a way to make tax dollars off everyone involved in the MJ industry...from the personal grower to the licensed producer selling to the public and everyone in between...IT WOULD ALREADY BE LEGAL!!!

Fact is...It would have been legal back in the 70's.

Just my 2 cents.

Peace...B

All I am saying is, just legalize Marijuana already...Let the chips fall where they may.

If a person wants to grow for there own use, let them grow what ever they need, without a doctor or governments say. Since its for there own personal use, the selling of there Marijuana is not allowed. If they are caught selling and its proven in the courts...give them a nice big FAT fine so they never do it again. Once people see the consequences of sell without the proper permission, they will at lease think real hard before the do it in the first place(Only the real criminals would be selling, just like the Moonshiners with booze. If they are continuously caught...then prosecute them as criminals). Keep the jail time and criminal courts out of it. Save the criminal action for the criminals...The tax dollars saved on court and jail time along with the fines collected would be 3 times what could be charged on Medical MJ bought from an LP's by not allowing growing and only buying of Marijuana(My granny always said...Saving a dollar is the same or better than earning a dollar).

If a person wants to sell to the general population, let as many people that want sell Marijuana, sell as much as they can produce. But since they are producing for the general public, they will have to jump through all the necessary hoops that insures safe products and they will accept and understand all the pitfalls of being a retail outlet for the public. Prices would level out because of competition between suppliers. Some LP's would survive, some would not, some would become huge company's, some would remain "Mom and Pop" operations at there choice. All this would be determined by the market and the drive of the individuals involved. The market is huge and there is room for all competent businesspersons big or small.

If a person wants to buy and not be bothered with growing or producing to sell, let them buy as much as they need or want without asking permission from the doctors or the government. In my opinion...Even with persons being allowed to grow there own supply, there will be no shortage of consumers of this nature. The only people growing, will be those that love to grow and those that can't afford to buy there meds. That leaves a whole lot of consumers leftover in my books, enough for everyone willing to jump the hoops to become an LP. Wanting a limited amount of LP's is just greed driven...period!...Limits keep demand and prices up.

In my mind this is a simple solution to a simple problem. Its the law makers and the governments that are complicating and making it a huge ordeal.

Just legalize it and let it sort out on its own...Why does everything have to be so hard all the time.

Just one old hippies opinion.

Peace...B
 

bigbag

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never heard of $20 grams at any dispensaries in Canada...25000 kg's, wow that's gonna be a lot of irradiating...;)
 

hvac guy

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ammcan doesn't even have a license yet, and chances are HC may deny it, you should wait til you have CPL before you start bragging.
 

med-man

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ammcan is preapproved

we know what we have to do to get one, as outlined by hc in our app

med-man
 
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