Genetic vs Stressed Hermies

[dirtymcgirty]

What up community,


So, say you have a plant that is about day 40 nugs are forming great look super resiny, and boom....you look on an inner node and see what appears to be 3 seed pods forming.

There have been no light leaks (only the occasional flash light sweep for no longer then 5 mins a day ). Nutes have been a lil nitrogen deficient on some and others show some purple not sure if thats genetic or what, seems to be going away though...

If it was only 3 that look to be showing signs of this, could they possibly be genetic and not stressed hermies?

Preciate any input from those wise senior members, or anyone in general!

Stay trippy

 

[Pulsar]

What up community,


So, say you have a plant that is about day 40 nugs are forming great look super resiny, and boom....you look on an inner node and see what appears to be 3 seed pods forming.

There have been no light leaks (only the occasional flash light sweep for no longer then 5 mins a day ). Nutes have been a lil nitrogen deficient on some and others show some purple not sure if thats genetic or what, seems to be going away though...

If it was only 3 that look to be showing signs of this, could they possibly be genetic and not stressed hermies?

Preciate any input from those wise senior members, or anyone in general!

Stay trippy

A small light leak( or a few) won't trigger a stable plant to throw nanners or herm. I've grown in the shoddiest hundred dollar amazon tents avail with not a single nanner to be found, and rest assured those tents were riddled with leaks.

Your last comment is irrelevant either way. It is a genetic issue , but it's also a genetic issue if they're so easily stressed.
Shitty genetics are shitty genetics are shitty genetics. I would trash the strain after this run.

 

[VerdantGreen]

it is not one thing or another, stress or genetics. there will be a genetic capacity to show intersex traits under certain stress conditions. some will flip out very easily or under no stress at all, others will never herm whatever happens to them, and every degree in between those two extremes.

P.S. i would give up on the 'flash light sweeps' even for 5 minutes or seconds. that is asking for trouble and will slow down the flowering response in early flower.

VG

 

[stihgnobevoli]

light leaks can stress plants and weak plants under stress tend to hermie. i don't think the flashlight is really to blame, i think weak plants. i always stress my plants including middle of the night waterings when i've been away, forgot, or am planning on being away and unable to water when lights are on the next day. none of em ever hermy except the weak ones. strong plants don't hermie because you gave them a couple minutes of light. it would have to be all night every night lights leaking enough to make them think it's day. even then like everyone says it's mostly genetics.

 

[DemonTrich]

ive been battling a hermie issue for 3 flower cycles in a row. my genetics are strong, and never had any issues until a recent clone tent who's light has been creaping into my flower room thru its intake fan (8"). I didn't realize it until end of last harvest. week 6 is when the F'n nanners appear. so far no nanners (im at week 5.5). if this cycle I get hermies, then ill blame the genetics. but the nanner plant always starts with the plant in front of the intake fan.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

if it's all the plants it's genetics, if it's only one plant closest to the fan it's still genetics but stressed out from the constant battle to keep moisture around the leaves, and not light leaks. stress is stress.

 

[DemonTrich]

its not a fan blowing issue. ive had a fan blowing on my strains for over 2 years. its a light leak issue coming thru a 8" fan intake hole. the 1st time I spot a hermie plant is directly by the intake fan, then the fan blows the pollen on the other plants in the room.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

i thought you meant the air. well seems like you know the cause of your issues. the light leaks from the intake fan.

 

[DemonTrich]

ill know 100% after the next few weeks.

 

[dirtymcgirty]

it is not one thing or another, stress or genetics. there will be a genetic capacity to show intersex traits under certain stress conditions. some will flip out very easily or under no stress at all, others will never herm whatever happens to them, and every degree in between those two extremes.

P.S. i would give up on the 'flash light sweeps' even for 5 minutes or seconds. that is asking for trouble and will slow down the flowering response in early flower.

VG

Pulsar, VG, demon thanks for the input yall.

Genetics are most likely to blame. Will deal with that accordingly.

Also another question would be if you see seed pods forming, just leave them and let them go? I assume the damage is done and just turn that into BHO if it turns out to just be a few herms.

 

[NEGT1]

A small light leak( or a few) won't trigger a stable plant to throw nanners or herm. I've grown in the shoddiest hundred dollar amazon tents avail with not a single nanner to be found, and rest assured those tents were riddled with leaks.

Your last comment is irrelevant either way. It is a genetic issue , but it's also a genetic issue if they're so easily stressed.
Shitty genetics are shitty genetics are shitty genetics. I would trash the strain after this run.

You sound like a "breeder" trying to push your "stable' genetics with false information.

Now of course that was overly harsh and presumptuous but you don't exactly know what you are talking about.

 

[NEGT1]

it is not one thing or another, stress or genetics. there will be a genetic capacity to show intersex traits under certain stress conditions. some will flip out very easily or under no stress at all, others will never herm whatever happens to them, and every degree in between those two extremes.

P.S. i would give up on the 'flash light sweeps' even for 5 minutes or seconds. that is asking for trouble and will slow down the flowering response in early flower.

VG

Right on.

 

[Pulsar]

You sound like a "breeder" trying to push your "stable' genetics with false information.

Now of course that was overly harsh and presumptuous but you don't exactly know what you are talking about.

Interesting take. I'm sorry you found my post so repugnant. On the contrary, I live on the central coast of California and could throw a rock out my window and hit one of the original clones most are breeding with. I have utterly zero interest in breeding experiments and simply enjoy the healthy stock of local cuttings, along with some occasional seed offerings.I was simply indulging the OP with my personal experience re: unstable genetics. Others might disagree with my interpretation of "unstable," but if I'm seeing nanners or male traits in any of my stock, the plant is being relegated to the briny depths of the unworthy. My ultimate endeavor however is to up my post count on the forums within a single months time period. I'm hoping to get up 150+ by October. One day and one thread at a time...

 

[DemonTrich]

I went nanner hunting for the last 3 weeks during my last flower cycle. every day carefully plucking nanners with tweezers and into a cup of h2o, 25 1st day, then about 5-10 every day after. this is on 10 6'+ plants.

so far this run no nanners, checking daily.

 

[dirtymcgirty]

So demon if I see any of the nanners just pluck them off? But I feel like some of the inner nodes may be developing into smaller nanners?

 

[Ras Mason]

you know cold water kills pollen right?

 

[DemonTrich]

So demon if I see any of the nanners just pluck them off? But I feel like some of the inner nodes may be developing into smaller nanners?

yup, carefully tho. you don't want to rupture the nanner. I used tweezers and a 30x hand held magnifying glass and a cup of water to dip the tweezers with nanners I pluck. be patient, take your time. I spent 6 hrs my 1st day doing 7 huge ass plants last cycle plucking nanners. then a few hrs a day as maintenance nanner plucking. lol

so far no nanners this round....yet. im thinking it was an environment issue.

you know cold water kills pollen right?

its kinda hard to spray buds after week 5 in flower due to the huge risk of bud rot/mold ect.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

are you outdoors? or is your humidity really high or something? i spray my plants all the time in flower. they usually dry in like 10 minutes. just spray em at night with a light mist right after the lights go off. or in the morning right before they come on. you aren't trying to water em with a hose.

 

[DemonTrich]

nope indoors. temps are 75* lights on, 72* lights off and 50%rh lights on and 60% lights off every single day (my grow is dialed in). I harvest 12x6' plants and have excellent yields. well excellent is putting it very lightly. so I am not about to risk my yield from spraying water on my flowers.

 

[NaturalEssance]

I have questions on stressed herms if stressed on purpose and seeds do not show traits are the seedlings considered carriers of herm gens and should only be smoke or is it safe to do a cross with a stable male ???