Young plants not doing well. Advice needed asap

[papaduc]

Growing organic is much easier than synthetic growing, just intimidating. With organics you no longer need to check ph or ppms. Just find a simple soil recipe, allow it to cook for a few weeks, boom ready to go soil, all you need is water. Once your familiar with this technique you can implement the use of compost teas and top feeding mixes. With a healthy herd of microbes, your plants become more resilient, while you only have to worry about watering and watching for bugs.

Making your own soils and teas and getting them spot on is more work than using a ph & ec pen

Coco and a one part feed is as easy as it gets.

Not trying to dissuade anyone from organic growing, no way, but I've got to argue the facts of that, because coco and hydro feeds are very very easy to use and get results from.

 

[DrFever]

Making your own soils and teas and getting them spot on is more work than using a ph & ec pen

Coco and a one part feed is as easy as it gets.

Not trying to dissuade anyone from organic growing, no way, but I've got to argue the facts of that, because coco and hydro feeds are very very easy to use and get results from.

Yup people tend to think just make a organic mixture in soil and just water,, thats fine and dandy.
But you got to take into consideration your allowing time for the organics to break down and become food for the plant this does become a issue when Certain strains require lots of NPK and now
Organic is great if your growing out door but indoor dealing with decomposing SHIT and other matters , then there is the higher chances of insect infestation nothing better then that in your house right ???? But hey your organic grower so no chemical pesticides organic only have fun with that all grow and all the rest
When thinking of ORGANICS what one country allows as it other countries will not
But you get the average organic grower that swears by the yield , taste , and resin content this is where i think again people become miss lead there are scientific data stating that

A 2012 meta-analysis of data from 240 studies concluded that organic fruits and vegetables were, on average, no more nutritious than their cheaper conventional counterparts; nor were they less likely to be contaminated by pathogenic bacteria like E. coli or salmonella – a finding that surprised even the researchers. “When we began this project,” said Dena Bravata, one of the researchers, “we thought that there would likely be some findings that would support the superiority of organics over conventional food.”

then there is the yield factor

Another rationale for buying organic is that it is supposedly better for the natural environment. But the low yields of organic agriculture in real-world settings – typically 20-50% below yields from conventional agriculture – impose various stresses on farmland and increase water consumption substantially. According to a recent British meta-analysis, ammonia emissions, nitrogen leaching, and nitrous-oxide emissions per unit of output were higher in organic systems than in conventional agriculture, as were land use and the potential for eutrophication – adverse ecosystem responses to the addition of fertilizers and wastes – and acidification.
there you have it

 

[siftedunity]

Okay..... One more update, to confirm that the doc was right (as expected)

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they are looking 100 times better. when you start growing or are excited about new seeds etc its easy to over do it. one last tip id say is to let the plants dry out slightly between watering, the roots go crazy looking for water as the moisture in the pot dries up. that's the crucial part to develop the root system. remember less is always more. looking good so far though.. keep us updated with these..

 

[Therealzemi]

That's some valid points Doc. Especially the part about making soils and nuts, in a city apartment. That will in my case over complicate things, and highly likely make me stick to traditional grow indoor.

Siftedunity.
They are drying as we speak. And right now the girls are literaly exploding in growth. Both above and below the ground. It's amazing to see really. And i spend countles sessions just looking at them. Being amazed by what i see. Something completely different compared to outdoor growing

 

[Therealzemi]

And yes. It's so easy to over do things. Even more so, when doing the first indoor grow. Patience, is as i said earlier, the biggest challenge

 

[DrFever]

i would suggest that probably in 4 -5 days transplant time would be a good idea remember not to go to big in pot size just yet so 6" pot probably would be perfect

 

[Therealzemi]

I honestly think it will be sooner than that. This soil is the bomb, and roots are spreading like crazy. I'll post a pic of it a bit later today

 

[sourpuss]

Making your own soils and teas and getting them spot on is more work than using a ph & ec pen

Coco and a one part feed is as easy as it gets.

Not trying to dissuade anyone from organic growing, no way, but I've got to argue the facts of that, because coco and hydro feeds are very very easy to use and get results from.

Make that a nutes that ph themselves and it cant get any easier than that... to each their own... just dont over feed with chems....

 

[Mikell]

A little side tracking rant


It's all a matter of preference, especially here, but arguing that organic farming is detrimental to the environment, at least when compared to conventional is a bloody joke.

Yes, there are issues with industrial organic agricultural, their reliance on sulphur fungicides and the like, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the standard poisons employed in conventional farming, or the problems created through nutrient run-off. There are going to be issues with any industrialized mode of production, on the farm or in a factory. Organic does not equate a lack of harm or detriments, but a conscience decision to look for a healthier, more natural approach, or at worst, the least harmful solution.

As for being dangerous in an indoor environment, that's laughable... there are enough indoor organic growers here to prove that the nonsense it is.

50% drop in yield? Gto back that up with something other than conjecture. I've read of such, but on transitioning farms. Conventional farming is yield-centric, from applied nutrition, pest/disease control, to the chosen cultivar (size over flavour/nutrient density) growing in monoculture. Organic growing, to me at least, is at its core about the strength of diversity. From the microbes in the soil, to applied nutrition and varieties of plants grown. Many heirloom varieties will not yield as well as commercial cultivars, but have much better flavour and robust resistance to pest/disease.

An analogy. Many people here monocrop a yielder with a one, two or three part, and feed and harvest according to calendar. Others grow a diverse crop of different strains, from WLD no NLD types, allowing each to finish according to its own genetics.

Which do you want to smoke? A 4 gallon bucket of vanilla, or a small tub of Haagendaz?

Total thread jack, and I apologize for that, but the original issue will be past soon, and as a jackass lipflapper, it would needle me to no end not to reply to DrFever's post

 

[DrFever]

this is for you there M


A major requirement of organic farming is that plant nutrients be added in organic forms or as poorly soluble inorganic minerals. The long-term fertility of soils can be maintained only if the output of plant nutrients is compensated by a comparable input. This is often not currently the case in organic agriculture for several macronutrients, in particular on farms without animals where removals are greater and inputs from supplementary feed do not occur. As soil nutrient reserves are depleted, large yield penalties will occur on organic farms. Even if the nutrients are replaced in fertilizers, they will often become only slowly available to plants. While the soil biological community on organic farms may differ from conventional farms, it will not compensate yields for the lack of readily available nutrients in fertilizers. In addition, N use efficiency of organic manures can be lower than of soluble inorganic fertilizers and the release of nutrients from organic manure is not often synchronized with crop demand, resulting in greater losses than occurs with inorganic fertilizers. In terms of closing nutrient cycles, organic farming is currently limited by an inability to use municipal waste both directly or as inorganic extracts. Currently, organic farming systems are also often subsidized by the nutrients used in fertilizers on conventional farms, which are imported as fodder or manures.

In summary, organic farming has the many attractive ingredients of a ‘nature philosophy’, that is, the intrinsic goodness of nature, but when critical scientific analysis is applied the dogma of the superiority of organic farming fails. Organic principles do not provide a better long-term outcome in the search for sustainable forms of agriculture than conventional farming. Overall, we advocate a flexible approach where farming systems are designed to meet specific environmental, economic and social goals, unencumbered by unscientific dogmatic constraints (Kirchmann and Thorvaldsson 2000).

 

[I wood]

Wow,Dr, it seems at some point you had an open mind.
Ironically, now it seems full of organic matter.

 

[Therealzemi]

There there. Dont argue guys. We all have our prefered ways of doing things

This plant will never stop to amaze me. To think only a few days ago, they were grinded to a hault due to fert chock. Well look at them now. It's so awesome to watch

They were watered this morning. Hence the moist in the cups

 

[I wood]

Ok, didn't realize I could edit yet.

 

[I wood]

Sorry.
More of a joke than an argument, won't happen again.
It really doesn't matter to me how anyone else grows.

 

[Mikell]

Fever, nice copy and paste.... quite a relevant reply.....

The issues raised by your direct quote are simply solved by... planning ahead, winter cover cropping, understanding organic nutrient inputs differ from conventional, etc.

Sorry.
More of a joke than an argument, won't happen again.
It really doesn't matter to me how anyone else grows.

Here here

 

[dabass2dark]

Sounds like your babies are well on there way to recovery, nice job with the quick response. I think the biggest mistakes with seedlings are overwatering and feeding too soon. Its all these little details you discover along the way that make you into a better grower.

Cheers

 

[Therealzemi]

Hey dabass and thanks

They are doing super fine. 2 of the plants have been a bit slower at fully recovering. And i topped the first 3 today. So far things are looking really good, and my guess is 1 or 2 days more, then it's time for the next transplant

I cant wait to smoke green again. Atm i'm smoking imported hash. But it's so super stony, that it's almost too much. Most would consider this top grade hash, and it probably is. Just too heavy indica for me

 

[xmobotx]

people should find the method which works for their particular situation. it looks like Therealzemi had great success working through early feeding/possible over-water to obtain great results so far w/ some well-timed spot on advice.

it would be a shame to see that marred by those studies. They only prove that the particular organic "method" chosen to test wasn't as good as what was probably a time-proven conventional tech. Other studies have found the opposite to be true

people should find the method which works for their particular situation.

 

[Therealzemi]

Someone asked to keep you updated on my babies. If it's the wrong place, then please do let me know

Things are on track. And i got my hands on a 600watt MH bulp. It's been running since saturday. Another week like this, and they are ready for the big pots

Peace..... And smoke green

 

[DrFever]

There looking great dude next pot size double that one remember let plant dry out pretty good prior to transplanting