The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

[epicorchard]

Good post. The grower has got to take personal responsibility. Mixes get mentioned because people ask. Then when it doesn't work for them we hear endless whining...pretty soon you don't even feel like helping. Wonder why people disappear from the thread

I can't imagine buying ready to grow soil that does not come with a soil test.

I love the irony behind attacking a ready to grow soil in a thread started by a guy who emphasized building your own according to a specific mix he supplied. I'm killing it in his mix. I'd thank him here, but I'm guessing Tom quit following this thread years ago.


I am also very tired of wading through the bickering in search of the valuable information that was once found here in abundance. How about starting a "fixing your EWCSF soil" thread. I'm sure it would be appreciated by many in need of a solution. Wishing you all a prosperous season and a bountiful harvest. One love

 

[ponobegone]

If we could just get that fuckin gopher out of here

 

[milkyjoe]

I think boobs may disagree with that. Hope he is well. Coot's mix with proper compost kicks ass if you let the biology do its thang

 

[Bulldog420]

Boobs and his crew still apply alfalfa teas and other biological teas. However, they are about as close as you get to just add water. I must say, their plants are super healthy and very large. The herb they produce is second to none.

 

[Luther Burbank]

If we could just get that fuckin gopher out of here

Leave Donnie Alone!!!!

tom hill blessed me with about 100 monkey haze for next season. Looking forward to it.

See if you can get some PTK out of him!

 

[epicorchard]

I think boobs may disagree with that. Hope he is well. Coot's mix with proper compost kicks ass if you let the biology do its thang

Wheres this coots mix? Is there a thread I missed?

 

[theJointedOne]

He's a member here. He follows a pretty simple formula, that is proven. I used his mix as a base for my soil this year, and it is working well.

Check out the organic soil forum.

Im not sure if it is me or not, but some folks in here act like b/c they know something, or b/c they grow a fuckin ganja plant, that their shit doesnt stink, they are holy kiss my feet type folk, the type that dont put out a hand to shake, but rather a ass to kiss.....yet they dont really contribute said info to the 'community', at least not in any helpful manner. Instead we get a bunch of bullshit and egos and such. Not sure if it you guys are trying to be tough, or competitive or what...but man...sharing is fucking caring...so help each other out instead of acting like a bunch of selfish dolla chasing money hungry capitalists. I mean wtf happened to counter culture. Love. all that stuff? And im not talking about the fakes either...

Rant over

 

[Organic Grower]

Not to keep fueling the flame here, but i do want to state my biggest issues with the EWSF norcal blend..

I will be the first to say that it was my fault for not testing it right off the bat. I take full responsibility for that. ..BUT, I will say that Dave and Larry also told me about their refusal to "play that soil test game". They explained how the test would not show the true availability of the nutrients because it doesn't measure the biological system and I suppose the mineralized availability of the soil to the plants. In my ignorance I listened..

They were also adamant about not tweaking the soil in any direction because it was already in perfect balance. Why fix something if it ain't broke? When I first noticed something was up it was still the end of June, right around the solstice. Plants were dropping leaves at an accelerated rate, showing chlorosis at different stages, BDs had necrosis at tips of leaves on new growth off the main stalk, had some weird curling of new growth on some strains. I reached out to them for help. I asked if they had been hearing any other complaints about deficiencies, and if they recommended any amendments at this point. They stuck with their pitch and actually told me that it was normal for plants to start dying because that's just what they do when they begin to flower in order to keep their genetic line going. Their only recommendation was to continue doing what i was doing and feeding the soil compost teas. That's all..

I did not trust that advice and started a nutrient tea regimen to try to save my crop. That was a mistake as well because i didn't know exactly what was going on under the surface. It wasn't until i started hearing similar stories here on icmag that i got an idea of what was going on. I got a soil test done at A&L labs and things didn't really seem too out of wack, other than very low Nitrogen and soil pH being 7.5, which explained some things like micro nutrient lockouts and leaf yellowing which I had easily diagnosed. It wasn't until i got the soil paste saturation test done at logans labs that the true problems were revealed. The excess potassium had helped to throw everything else off balance, in this soil that was supposed to be so dialed in that it was advised against ammending.

I'm still just beginning to understand soils, but i do know that a biologically active, living organic soil takes time to activate. That was the selling point for me. I had my soil ingredients order waiting for me to pull the trigger on it, for much cheaper than the norcal blend, but i decided to go with something that was supposed to be working already. My idea was to use it as a functional base this first year and then add to it seasons following. I was essentially buying time. Well, that didnt work out..

We know how the saying goes. It was just too good to be true. Lessons learned.

I feel for all who fell into the same trap this season. I hope we all become better growers for it, and I hope my lessons can be passed on to others so they dont have to endure the same sleepless nights and empty stomachs that i did.

 

[milkyjoe]

I think boobs posted it if you search his posts. Be damn sure you use a good compost though...believe he used turkey diestel.

 

[Bulldog420]

Anybody else having well issues? I hope the upcoming moon pulls up some ground water cause my well is not performing as well as it used to. I have to set up storage tanks.....anybody have some ideas on how to set up a good storage tanks system? I called around and for the pros to come out it's 6g's....way too much. Looks like a DIY project.

 

[epicorchard]

Anybody else having well issues? I hope the upcoming moon pulls up some ground water cause my well is not performing as well as it used to. I have to set up storage tanks.....anybody have some ideas on how to set up a good storage tanks system? I called around and for the pros to come out it's 6g's....way too much. Looks like a DIY project.

Are you talking rain retention or just tying in poly tanks?

 

[epicorchard]

I have one 5k, three 3k, one 1750, and one 1k gal poly tanks from scott's tanks. I try and keep everything full in case of an emergency. Sometimes it can take a day for the water truck to come out. And as I learned in the last two years, in this biz, shit happens!

 

[Backyard Farmer]

It's real easy to plumb in a holding tank...you just need a few check valves , float valve and so,e ball valves...do you have a hefty well pump and good water pressure or do you need to use a pressure tank to assist?

I don't like to water my garden using well water, I like springs and creeks.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

my friends well just went dry too, had to call his first delivery truck. thank god its this late in the season…but shit is pretty fucking serious with the lack of ground water. cannabis farmers can't continually keep pumping ground water to grow crops….everybody and their moms is on the hunt for property with AG water...

 

[epicorchard]

my whole neighborhood kicks on sprinklers every day for the cow pastures. The cattle ranchers have Ditch rights plus 70 700 ft wells with a cummins diesel running 24/7. I'm more worried about big AG than I am pot farmers.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

I'm just happy my place has an appropriated water right to divert a lot of acre feet....or things would be interesting

 

[epicorchard]

Yea my ditch rights are deeded at 8k gal per day, but its not exactly like i have a water meter. I'm using about 1k gal per day for my blue dreams, so I feel like I'm within reason.

 

[Shcrews]

There is no mix that will last all year and give the results we want. .

I think boobs may disagree with that. Hope he is well. Coot's mix with proper compost kicks ass if you let the biology do its thang

We used that mix basically, plain water ever since. Our biggest plant is 12' tall and 10' wide

our well is still producing water, can't complain. the new CA ground water bill sounds interesting

 

[Bulldog420]

A little more info on what I am trying to accomlish

I have a well, with a 7gph motor and pressure tank which delivers about 60psi. I want to tie a water storage tank to that. I would then have to pressurize the water coming out of the tank, which would require another pump. I am sure I need check valves, float valves.

Do you guys have your tanks on concrete pads? How big are your booster pumps? What voltage?

Thanks everybody.

 

[Urbngroz]

Im in 530. Well was slow last year, but could keep up.even slower this year and had to call in the truck late July. Well still pumping but need two truckloads a week. Cant wait for the next few weeks to pass. Bladder tanks will be ready for bulk storage this winter.