Bloom Boosters and 6/9

[Weeded1s]

If reducing base to add pk to get back to ec of what you reduced ..than your not boosting anything. A booster is used with base nutes to keep nutes (mostly n and micro nutes ) stable while bumping pk. If your just adding back what you took out as far as pk goes then you should just drop n and it will have same effect. The pk boost puts more pk in but the plant can only take so much p. I just want to clarify that adding a booster and reducing ec is diff than just adding a booster to get you to max pk numbers. The reason I bring it up is cause with ogs you dont want to cut the nitrogen that early.

 

[GonjaLove]

I change ro prefilter like theyre going outa style, the sediment filter turns rusty in a couple days.

Nice pic there Gonjalove, looks happy, what strain is she.

Dr krippling incredible bulk...day 8 and already over a foot of stretch

 

[stoned40yrs]

If reducing base to add pk to get back to ec of what you reduced ..than your not boosting anything.

BS If that was true then you could run watered down 6/9 with KoolBloom powder or MOAB or Beastie Bloom all of them around 0-50-30 for the entire grow- veg and bloom. Go ahead and try it. I believe my eyes, I can reduce 6/9 ec, make up for it with one of those 3 boosters and still burn my tips, easy.

 

[Weeded1s]

Read it again stoned ... what i am saying is if your adding bloom boosters to get BACK to the prevoius ec then all that is accomplished is cutting down n and some micros to add back the pk amounts you already have.p Plus buying the additive $$$ My point here goes with h3ad bumping up to 6/12 to keep his micro the same but boost pk. So were still playin in that good range for p. So when I said get back to where your ec was previously (which is what was posted) then nothing is boosted . It has same pk but with less n and micros. Im not saying you cant cut back on ec and throw a tablesp of koolbloom pow at them and they wont burn. Hasnt everyone tried that. Part I was focusing on was poster said cut back base and boost back up to almost same ec. Once again a plant can only handle like something @ 60 ppm of p so of course anyone can burn by adding too much off p or k or n or micros. And technically you could use a reduced rate of 6/9 and bloom boosters from veg to flower (waste of $$$ and time) but youd have to figure out the correct ratios to put you in THE ZONE.
peace

 

[CHEFfy]

Hydroplex for a single bloom additive has always worked well for me, this round I'll be trying MBFERTS early and late stage supplements.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Read it again stoned ... what i am saying is if your adding bloom boosters to get BACK to the prevoius ec then all that is accomplished is cutting down n and some micros to add back the pk amounts you already have.p Plus buying the additive $$$ My point here goes with h3ad bumping up to 6/12 to keep his micro the same but boost pk. So were still playin in that good range for p. So when I said get back to where your ec was previously (which is what was posted) then nothing is boosted . It has same pk but with less n and micros. Im not saying you cant cut back on ec and throw a tablesp of koolbloom pow at them and they wont burn. Hasnt everyone tried that. Part I was focusing on was poster said cut back base and boost back up to almost same ec. Once again a plant can only handle like something @ 60 ppm of p so of course anyone can burn by adding too much off p or k or n or micros. And technically you could use a reduced rate of 6/9 and bloom boosters from veg to flower (waste of $$$ and time) but youd have to figure out the correct ratios to put you in THE ZONE.
peace

Reducing the n a little by watering down 6/9 then adding back a booster still gives more PK than just the base. Isnt a bloom booster just basicly more PK. This strategy lets u increase pk while not changing the overall concentration of nutes. Not claiming it to be the best way but it does work well.

 

[Weeded1s]

Both ways work if you dont dilute too much. But if u had perfect ratios on everything and had room for more pk to be added without going out of the range of acceptable pk ...why wouldnt you use nute calc add base nutes plus whatever booster at whatever amount and see how much it tells you to put in. Then just add pk to base and what you have done is kept plant in good ratios and only boosted pk to max levels...not reducing to lower levels of n cal mag iron sulfer boron etc. while getting a tiny bit of say 10ppm extra of p. Also you have now dumped some p out (diluting it) just to put more back in. Seems like a waste of money to me.

 

[Weeded1s]

Originally Posted by Weeded1s View Post
Snow if I was gonna add hydroplex to 6/9 weeks 5 and 6 how many ml without ( dropping base ). I want to make sure im still in the good range. I believe 2.5 ml might work without burning most plants or adding to much p?
Thanks buddy in advance.
Now, I've never done this... So don't quote me on it if things take a turn...

If you're running 6/9 your basic profile is something like:
100N - 55P - 100K - 100Ca - 45Mg

Which is pretty dialed as it is. The Calcium and Nitrogen do seem a touch tall for my liking, and the Potassium a touch low, but I think we all know this is a tried and true formula.

So, for every 1ml/gallon of Hydroplex you're going to alter those numbers by:
0N - 12P - 14K

That's about 20% more on the Phosphorus and about 15% more Potassium, with just 1ml. Add in 2.5ml and we're talking about 50% more P... that's a pretty good shift from the base, and upwards of 85ppm of Phosphorus. Not toxic (actually, I've had my best results with the Phophorus PPMs in that range), but it certainly is on the higher end of the acceptable range.

I think that 2ml/gallon is enough for most strains. Starting around 1ml/gallon is good though and you can dose it a little stronger for maybe 1 or 2 feedings, but you'll want to be careful about buildup concerns.

Typically, I depend on Hydroplex for N-dominant programs, like CANNA Coco's 5-4-3. Systems that are already using a PK Bloom base don't see the same kind of benefits from adding a PK Boost as the systems I've been applying this product too. In many ways, adding 1-2ml of Hydroplex is the same as adding 2-4ml of FloraBloom. Sure, there's probably some differences in the "intangibles" these products might contain. But I don't think that the nuances gained from a bottle are necessary until all the other environmental aspects are just perfectly dialed.

If you've never run 6/9 with that strain before then I'd recommend sticking to the program and seeing what it offers. If you haven't run 6/9, or the strain, and I've never run 6/9 or supplemented it... We're just totally shooting in the dark. Take the time and get a baseline for that nutrient program you can then pivot on.
"Snowcrash"
Im not using this as my defense ...I hope it helps to show where im comming from. Keep base solid and add a pk boost (with only pk in it) without diluting and everything stays in perfect ratio and you get a nice pk blast while being solid on all other nutes...the last thing i want to see is a tiny pk boost only to watch my plant go deff. on a micro cuz i cut it back and it used a lot of it that feed. Jus my way..jus sayin.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Both ways will work, but one may work better than the other, just gotta test and see. I have tested and what worked better for me was the slight reduction. That is not dumping any out, it is just using a lower concentration. then bringing concentration back to equal levels but with more pk and less n and micro nutes which is inline with what the plant wants in this phase. I think concentration is key here. Obviously ratio is very important in coco as well, but if you want to pk boost u cant keep the same exact ratios, otherwise it wouldn't be increasing the concentration of pk.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Originally Posted by Weeded1s View Post

If you've never run 6/9 with that strain before then I'd recommend sticking to the program and seeing what it offers. If you haven't run 6/9, or the strain, and I've never run 6/9 or supplemented it... We're just totally shooting in the dark. Take the time and get a baseline for that nutrient program you can then pivot on.
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This right here is good advice. Id even go as far to say, while any additive might help a little, they can definitely fuck shit up way more. Example u can get a 5% increase, but on the other side u could lock shit out and lose 50%. Ive lost 50% way more times than increasing 5%. I say it all the time but ive never had better success than just going with base nutes. It has everything they need to get killer quality and yields of 1.5gpw.

 

[GonjaLove]

Seal that room up to minimize the co2 consumption. Venting in any way will extract co2 levels faster than your plants will consume. Cost effective co2 supplementation would be a co2 burner. Changing and refilling propane tanks is a lot easier than co2 gas. If u wanna go super badass you can hard line natural gas.
Coming from a guy that's been using a dialed environment, I've used most of the more expensive nutrient lines and additives and I can honestly admit they play little factor. Switching to 6/9 and having awesome results with that alone I am really convinced that basic nutrition gets the complet job done. My yields and quality have remained the same if not better and I believe I now am using the appropriate ratios that coco needs. All other additives and such are just additional variables that u do not need to factor when things can be dialed with minimal.

So you have done a whole run with nothing besides 6/9? Im sure you tweaked it along the way right?

 

[HHULKK]

So you have done a whole run with nothing besides 6/9? Im sure you tweaked it along the way right?

Ran it the whole way with about 5 days plain water before chop. I used gh's ripening ratios of 2.5/8 for like a week to get the plants to lighten up before flush. I never had a need to add boosters. I did use 6/9 @ 2.0 ec for a couple weeks midway but I think it was because I was going for too much runoff and raising ec kept them green to my liking.

 

[GonjaLove]

Ran it the whole way with about 5 days plain water before chop. I used gh's ripening ratios of 2.5/8 for like a week to get the plants to lighten up before flush. I never had a need to add boosters. I did use 6/9 @ 2.0 ec for a couple weeks midway but I think it was because I was going for too much runoff and raising ec kept them green to my liking.

Holy shit how'd you get your ec to 2.0 with 6/9? I max out around 1.4 with it. Im basically using nothing besides 6/9...a tad of liquid kb but thats it. I on the other Han have not been getting much runoff at all and I watered this morning to about 20% runoff just to check my ec coming out...bam it was over 2.0. I whipped up some 6/9 and diluted to 1.0 and fed. Should I try to bring my runoff ec to match what I put in?

 

[Miraculous Meds]

He keeps the same ratio but uses less water. However way u wanna cut it as far as concentration, ie; 2 parts micro 3 parts bloom.

Id like to see mine coming out around 1.5 or less. But if ur seeing no overfert signs, then ur prob fine, just give more run off during feeds to drop the build up in the medium.

 

[Oti$]

FWIW, I recently used 6/9 2ml hydroplex and 2 ml protekt with 1 tsp/5gal of Moab for the last 2 weeks and it turned out to be the best quality and although I didn't keep track of how, it seemed to be one of my higher yielding runs. I like to keep my ec at1.0-1.2 and it stayed within that range without diluting the base. I really liked the results and will be using this recipe again... Good luck with your grow!

 

[SnowCreature]

Holy shit how'd you get your ec to 2.0 with 6/9? I max out around 1.4 with it. Im basically using nothing besides 6/9...a tad of liquid kb but thats it. I on the other Han have not been getting much runoff at all and I watered this morning to about 20% runoff just to check my ec coming out...bam it was over 2.0. I whipped up some 6/9 and diluted to 1.0 and fed. Should I try to bring my runoff ec to match what I put in?

It was 2.0 because you don't get much runoff.
You can water with 1.2 without much runoff but if you start washing out the buildup you will need to feed higher ec to keep them green.
That's exactly what hulk said tho...
Save nutes by watering with lower ec and less runoff.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

It was 2.0 because you don't get much runoff.
You can water with 1.2 without much runoff but if you start washing out the buildup you will need to feed higher ec to keep them green.
That's exactly what hulk said tho...
Save nutes by watering with lower ec and less runoff.

First u say his nute strength in his medium is high because he doesn't get enough run off. Then u tell him to water with out much runoff because he will have to feed a higher strength to keep them green.

Wrong....

This is a contradicting confusing mess.

1.2 ec works cause it supplies enough npk and micros for great growth. Don't let it build in ur medium to a lot higher levels cause then they start to become less available.

 

[SnowCreature]

First of all... Lol
Second, I didn't say he his medium is high.
Use a lower ec and waste less runoff or higher ec and waste more runoff.
Same thing in the end, just different way of getting there.

 

[stoned40yrs]

If you are going to dilute the 6/9 then you may as well use the GH Flora Series Simple Drain to waste nute schedule posted on their website cause I'm not seeing a hell of a lot of difference if you are not running 6-9 per gal.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

First of all... Lol
Second, I didn't say he his medium is high.
Use a lower ec and waste less runoff or higher ec and waste more runoff.
Same thing in the end, just different way of getting there.

This is a much clearer statement. The last one was a mess of confusion. Look it over and I think u will see what I mean.

U do not have to feed a higher ec because u r using more runoff.