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HempHut

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I doubt Saul's security guard picked the ricin out of Jesse's pocket: Jesse was brushing the guys hands away as he was trying to frisk him and he would have needed to pick the entire pack of smokes out of the pocket and replace it with another pack -- or Jesse would be missing a pack of smokes. Otherwise, he would have needed to pick a specific individual cigarette out of a closed pack in a pocket. If the dude could do either of those things he should be doing a stage show in Vegas instead of his muscle for hire gig. ;) I agree that was about muddying the waters a bit as the guard did appear to go for his pocket after Jesse walked on -- tricky.

Jesse said he checked in the morning and the ricin was there, so if it wasn't taken by Saul's body guard, then it would have to been taken at the lab when he was cooking earlier that day: We see Jesse get dropped off at his car after work, at Saul's and then back at his place on the couch playing with his lighter. He then receives the phone call about the kid and head's out -- the camera work on that phone call scene was interesting as it focused mainly on Jesse's jacket on the back of the couch and barely on him at all. Interestingly, in all this time since being dropped off Jesse hasn't had a smoke because I presume he would notice the ricin cigarette gone if he had opened his pack -- when I was a cigarette smoker, the first thing I did getting in my car was light one up -- and certainly after working all day in a smoke free environment. Also, Jesse was playing with his lighter but still hadn't lit a smoke by the time he was back at his place -- seems odd. Not sure it means anything, but I would have thought Jesse would have lit at least one smoke before the hospital scene.

The theory that Walt framed Gus for poisoning the kid would be a good twist, no doubt, but I'm not sure I'm buying it at this point for the reasons above. There is something tantalizing about it, though -- I suppose because it would indicate Walt has broken from his old self completely if he would be willing to put a child in harms way for his own ends. As Zymos says below, I don't think he's put all of those values aside.

On the car thing, I think it is possible that Gus might have caught a reflection off of Walt's glasses or binoculars, though. It would explain his suddenly aroused suspicions and is certainly possible -- I remember thinking Walt should lower his glasses, but we never saw any flash or glint so I figured there was none, but it's possible that we just weren't shown it and Gus did pick it up. In which case, I would expect to see that scene again in the next episode from a different angle showing Gus picking up the glint. In fact, if it was down to anything Gus saw I would expect to see that scene again showing us what Gus was seeing as it needs some explaining either by showing us or by Gus telling us (likely in conversation with one of his guys). For the time being, though, I'll stick with Jesse blowing it by saying the kid was poisoned and that statement arousing Gus' suspicion.
 

Tronic

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On the car thing, I think it is possible that Gus might have caught a reflection off of Walt's glasses or binoculars, though. It would explain his suddenly aroused suspicions and is certainly possible -- I remember thinking Walt should lower his glasses, but we never saw any flash or glint so I figured there was none, but it's possible that we just weren't shown it and Gus did pick it up. In which case, I would expect to see that scene again in the next episode from a different angle showing Gus picking up the glint. In fact, if it was down to anything Gus saw I would expect to see that scene again showing us what Gus was seeing as it needs some explaining either by showing us or by Gus telling us (likely in conversation with one of his guys). For the time being, though, I'll stick with Jesse blowing it by saying the kid was poisoned and that statement arousing Gus' suspicion.

At the end of the scene they panned out and really made Walt's bald shiny shaved head to be the focal point of the scene.

Those binocs are specifically made NOT to reflect... too bad his head isnt...

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HempHut

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At the end of the scene they panned out and really made Walt's bald shiny shaved head to be the focal point of the scene.

Those binocs are specifically made NOT to reflect... too bad his head isnt...

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By lower his glasses I meant his eye glasses on the top of his head. And they were centre shot for that close up on his head at the end of the scene.

Watching that again (hehe, like 5 times now) when Gus stops walking he's looking dead ahead and doesn't seem to be seeing anything -- it still strikes me as he is realizing something and then thinks to look around after a thought has hit him.

You're right about the focus on his head in the end of the scene, though -- they also focused on the Pollos medallion on the rear view mirror twice, too. Sneaky director.
 

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I would think Gus is probably a family man. The house he lives in could be for show, with another one for his fam. Remember him telling Walt that family is the most important thing, and that a man takes care of his family.

Walt's pipe bomb was kinda retarded- depending on that kid's 2-way radio, and an estes rocket primer... remember it took several tries for the experimental primer to ignite, with him standing 6 feet away. We built one just like this as kids, took it out in the country and wired it up to a car battery... it didn't light... then about 5 minutes later, kapow!!
 

InJoy

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Gotta agree with HempHut

it's the glasses not his dome if it is that what trigered Gus.

I agree it was realization that Jesse knew he dosed Brok and could have set him up.


The weak part for me is i can't believe Gus hasn't got Walt's place covered so he should have known about the meet plus leaving the car unattended isn't Gus either

To be honest i'm really disappointed with the way they went about it the lame bomb and all wasn't up the the first one Heizenberg made for Tuko callin weak for breakin bad


NO WAY! Walt or Heizengerg dosed Brok
 

HempHut

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Yeah, I definitely agree about the bomb. When he was testing the remote detonator and it wouldn't go off I thought he would be pissed, but when it finally went off after 5 or 6 tries he kinda nodded like, "good enough." That just doesn't make sense when you're trying to get Gus -- have some weak variable in the mix. Walt doesn't like doing stuff half-assed, so it is hard to figure.

Okay, how about this for a wild ass theory:

The whole bomb thing is a decoy and Walt purposely left his glasses on his head and Jesse purposely mentioned the poisoning in order to get Gus to leave the parking garage by an alternate route -- they are setting him up for the real hit which will take place on the route out of the garage -- probably some chemistry orientated solution Walt was cooking up while he was also making the decoy bomb. So, if Gus didn't figure it out or notice the glint off Walt's eye glasses there would be a small explosion by the wimpy pipe bomb looking like a misfire when they got near the car forcing them to exit the garage by another route on foot.

The only thing that doesn't explain is why Walt would be annoyed that Gus didn't keep going towards the car and turned around as that would be what he would want in that case -- which is a very big hole and pretty much blows the whole idea.


Guess we'll have to wait and see. Looking forward to see what it all comes to.
 

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Pretty sure it was Walt or someone under Walt's direction who actually poisoned the kid.

Gus's attitude totally changes when Jesse mentioned the poison - he likely realized some kinda crazy scheme was afoot cause he didn't do it, and this is why he thought better of walking back to his car.

Further, seems like Walt leaves the gun for Jesse to grab when he confronts him on purpose, and it was likely not loaded. Was all a setup to win Jesse's loyalty back amd turn him against Gus. All that talk about how brilliant Gus's scheme is - sounds like Walt talking about himself.

Also guys - there's some INSANE spoilers out there about the season finale, and people trying to trick you into viewing them. Be careful this week if you like browsing the breaking bad reddit or similar sites.
 

Headbandf1

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Gus knows Walt very well, he knows how to push walts buttons. Gus must also know Walt would strike back, so maybe he assumes that walt made an attempt on Jesse and got the kid by mistake. so if the attempt on jesse already happened gus assumes that walt whould hit him next.
 
it was definitely the glasses that gave him away, the whole time i was thinking what an idiot!! with his glasses on his head like that they are at the perfect angle to reflect the midday sun in fucking new mexico for gods sake!

show coulda been over right there had he not been so careless lol so i guess its a good thing.

EDIT: also i dont think walt had anything to do with the poisoning, just seems unlikely
 

InJoy

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Na HempHut think you stretchin on that one.

Mr Bongjangles theory sounds possible but i believe deep down Walt has much more respect for human life than to use a child in that way.

This is Breaking Bad, does that mean all boundries go out the window?

The way i read Gus when Jesse said like a sheep "they don't know" Gus puffed right up in a threatining way showing he was a fukin LION that wouldn't let anything get in his way... ok this batch is fuked so take some time get your head right coz we are starting to work real soon.

Now ya wanna work like a good boy, or should i let him die?

He didn't forget to mention he owns the bed Brok is in and can get the best doctors to give the antidose... (wasn't stated but i felt like that's what he meant)
 

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AMAZING show, just incredibly well done.


So many angles to go off, but IMHO........Gus is behind the poisoning.

The scene with Walt & his infant as Skylar is being escorted by the DEA shows he still has compassion towards his innocent child........could he really hurt an innocent child?.........yet?? Plus, he doesn't seem to have the ability to get to Jessie, to steal the ricin, without being seen by Gus's men.


In the dea/lab scene with Gomez searching the laundry mat, Gus was talking to Jessie on the phone. After pushing harder for taking out Walt, Jessie still says no, Gus ends with "there will be an appropriate response." Could poisoning Brok be an "appropriate response"? It got Jessie to nearly off Walt without question........
 
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we've just begun the second series here in OZ.

found myself puzzled as to how Skyler knows Walt is a cooker? I know he made a slip under anaesthetic about his secret phone ... but as to the real secret, how come?

I 'm sure I didn't miss a single episode of the first series, so can anyone enlighten me?
 

LiLWaynE

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i think you guys are on to something here.....

gus KNOWS that walt is trying to make moves....

gus is going to make some serious moves on walt now...

walt just fucked up by trying to fuck with Brock....

gus is not dumb....

gus knows exactly what walt was trying to accomplish....

gus may also feel as if jesse will ALWAYS be on walts side, and since gus has figured out that walt just made the move he did with the poison, gus may now realize how important it is (more then ever before) to put walt and jesse in serious "check" (so to speak)......

it is REALLY hard to say where Gilligan will go from here...... SO MANY possibilities....

it is seemingly impossible to figure this show out...
 
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LiLWaynE

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this is off topic, but i was just thinking of something.......

why doesn't gus have walt and jessie making the blue meth 24/7... i dont understand why its a day to day thing and why he doesnt have them make a shitload at a time... from a solid business standpoint, if i were gus i would make sure that my meth lab was ALWAYS pumping out a product.... that room should NEVER be dark....

if jesse can watch and learn how to make the meth, then ANYONE can (including tyrus).... gus should have 10 rooms going at all times..... instead of having them coming in working 9-5 or whatever their short shifts are, they should work hard for 48 hours then take 48 hours off..... thats a shitty example, but seriously though, there are better alternatives to what he has going on now.... for such a business man, he doesnt seem to be too logistically skilled in operations management.....

is there something im missing?

fuck the 98-99% purity with walts shit...........gus has everything on camera, and he also has his little butt buddy tyrus studying how to make the shit, so gus could EASILY solve all of his problems by killing jesse AND walt AND hank....................then he would have to find saul.........................saul knows all..(speaking of my last theory, saul told jesse to put in the good word with fring about saul....that could have been a big mistake for saul....he could have just dug his grave)..............

if hank were killed, do you think the DEA would run to gus (assuming the DEA was never given info by hanks fam)?
 

LiLWaynE

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sorry for the back to back to back posts..should have thought this all out in 1 post

sorry for the back to back to back posts..should have thought this all out in 1 post

upon further thought......

jesse realizes the kid was poisoned with ricin after he looks for his cig and cannot find the ricin cig......

problem with that is, HOW WOULD WALT HAVE GOTTEN IT and then poisoned the kid?

only person who could have gotten the cig is tyrus... am i right or am i wrong?


this could have been all solved if jesse just asked brocks mother what brock had done the whole day and who he had made contact with.....

....or perhaps jessie fucked up and dropped the cig near brock when he was with him and now this odd twist is taking the viewers on a roller coaster ride....maybe neither gus nor walt planned it? i wouldnt be surprised! seems like it would be very hard for someone to poison the kid without the mother being alerted that some strange man had been near her son...
 
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Tronic

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wayne, injoy, and broindica have been summing it up very well.

Remember, Gus was a former General down in Chile (thanks for the reminder ;-)) so that i still think plays into my whole south america v mexico battle here.

also, gus poisoned the kid (through tyrus or his own way), just like injoy said - he KNEW already, and was like, so should i save him or not?

Gus is trying to get jesse to turn on walt - and it worked (gun scene) - but at this point... who really knows
 

motaloca

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South America took in plenty of Nazis after WW2 especially Chile, some of those worked for Pinochet.
Nazis=German
The holding owning Pollo Hermanos, Laundry, air filter manufacturer = German
Frings= German name
 
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