indianajones
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speak for yourself, and think for yourself. if you can't figure it out on your own, you probably shouldn't be doing it.
The Not So Solventless Clear Concentrate From Harborside!
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speak for yourself, and think for yourself. if you can't figure it out on your own, you probably shouldn't be doing it.
Guess what they like even less... Ignorant people who come into threads and contribute nothing except picking apart other people's post and drive the thread off topic.
On the milestone website, on the NEOS GR page, there is a PDF with 4 pages on the features of the machine. I would think anyone remotely interested in the subject would know that and have downloaded the PDF to see why this machine is special and hard to get.
Go back to your hidey hole grow nerd. The men are talking.
Pure777Extracts
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Guess what they like even less... Ignorant people who come into threads and contribute nothing except picking apart other people's post and drive the thread off topic.
On the milestone website, on the NEOS GR page, there is a PDF with 4 pages on the features of the machine. I would think anyone remotely interested in the subject would know that and have downloaded the PDF to see why this machine is special and hard to get.
Go back to your hidey hole grow nerd. The men are talking.
True. I contacted them a while back and they basically gave me the cold shoulder and I was just trying to get info. And back to that alpine site they said they purify both the MHG and SCFE with vacuum distillation.
Chonkski
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Part of me feels like they meant to scramble the process order in the description. But if they are just vacuum distilling, that would make this pretty simple, and explain how some of these guys are doing it.
Have you heard of greenlabs? Look them up on IG
They have an interesting picture of a coldfinger extraction unit, and a simple distillation kit
Don't know if it could mean anything special, but I definitely have my eye on them.
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I agree. nice
So the microwaves are hard to obtain, but are they really that special in the first place? Who cares how difficult it is to buy, if buying one isn't what you even want?
They have two models, one upright, one "upside down" ("GR" for "gravity"), and the upside down one they give the upside-down process a fancy marketing name & higher price, instead of calling it "our upside-down model"? I remember the software industry wasn't too different... change to strncpy() and call it " with StackGuardPro(TM) technology!".
You remind me of those guys who get excited and sit smug and content after banging rocks together all day to make fire. I mean, good job, buddy.
They have two models, one upright, one "upside down" ("GR" for "gravity"), and the upside down one they give the upside-down process a fancy marketing name & higher price, instead of calling it "our upside-down model"? I remember the software industry wasn't too different... change to strncpy() and call it " with StackGuardPro(TM) technology!".
You remind me of those guys who get excited and sit smug and content after banging rocks together all day to make fire. I mean, good job, buddy.
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The microwaves used are completely different. I am still looking for the PDF file i believe was posted on The Hive years ago. It broke down the difference between them and actually showed how to modify a household microwave with some hard to get parts to be able to produce the right ones. Turns out microwaves are like light and have different wavelengths. Now that im thinking about it it may be another reason why these machines are hard to get because they are also used in the production of MDMA, MDA, Meth, Etc. The radiation produced by these microwaves is also dangerous so im sure a lot of the price has to do with being able to contain them safely as well. They have pictures of old microwaves with holes cut in the tops with distillation setups poppin out the top!
Why does everyone think it has to do with fractional distillation? This process is only used when you are trying to remove two things that have a boiling point within 5 degrees of each other. No magical separation happens nada.
Thats kinda the setup i was talking about grownerd. They have been using this type of reaction since the early 80's clandestine labs
Thats kinda the setup i was talking about grownerd. They have been using this type of reaction since the early 80's clandestine labs
http://www.iupac.org/publications/pac/2001/pdf/7308x1309.pdf
Seems like more of an issue with keeping steady power levels rather than frequency, and sounds like modern microwaves have largely solved the issue with inverter technology....? I'm sure there's plenty more to it, but from loose searching it appears the modifications done to microwaves in the decades past for clandestine drug labs was to control the power levels more than anything else.
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Yet another microwave synthesis mod that has nothing to do with changing frequency or anything but physical orientation of output and access to contents etc. (There are many like it, including one with a title something along the lines of "solventless isomerization of safrole using a microwave".)
The more I search and read about "microwave synthesis" and other lab techniques using a microwave, the more I am convinced that there is nothing really that special about these NEOS microwaves, besides the obvious physical design and the bells & whistles. Perhaps higher-end, more precise power control. Seems shielding is an issue but with enough mesh and a microwave leak detector sounds like it should not be an issue. Seems like the biggest feature highlight is "CONVENIENCE".
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On "why does everyone think it's fractional distillation", well at least for me it's because I'm a dropout and don't know fancy-schmancy correct terminology and "fractional distillation" is the only term I currently know to describe a process which roughly involves distillation of a solution and qualitatively separating the condensate.
I haven't even read most of the bullshit "hint" posts in this thread with a bunch of lame-ass "pssst, guess what I know that you don't?! Psst, I ain't tellin' ya!", yet I feel I discovered and shared much more pertinent info in the last 24h since being made aware of this topic than TickleMyCoot has in the last six months.
Seems like more of an issue with keeping steady power levels rather than frequency, and sounds like modern microwaves have largely solved the issue with inverter technology....? I'm sure there's plenty more to it, but from loose searching it appears the modifications done to microwaves in the decades past for clandestine drug labs was to control the power levels more than anything else.
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Yet another microwave synthesis mod that has nothing to do with changing frequency or anything but physical orientation of output and access to contents etc. (There are many like it, including one with a title something along the lines of "solventless isomerization of safrole using a microwave".)
The more I search and read about "microwave synthesis" and other lab techniques using a microwave, the more I am convinced that there is nothing really that special about these NEOS microwaves, besides the obvious physical design and the bells & whistles. Perhaps higher-end, more precise power control. Seems shielding is an issue but with enough mesh and a microwave leak detector sounds like it should not be an issue. Seems like the biggest feature highlight is "CONVENIENCE".
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On "why does everyone think it's fractional distillation", well at least for me it's because I'm a dropout and don't know fancy-schmancy correct terminology and "fractional distillation" is the only term I currently know to describe a process which roughly involves distillation of a solution and qualitatively separating the condensate.
I haven't even read most of the bullshit "hint" posts in this thread with a bunch of lame-ass "pssst, guess what I know that you don't?! Psst, I ain't tellin' ya!", yet I feel I discovered and shared much more pertinent info in the last 24h since being made aware of this topic than TickleMyCoot has in the last six months.
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Statements / posts like this demonstrate to me how very little you know and how much you are sold and confused by fancy terms like "hydrodiffusion" and "gravity" (LMAO). Wow, GRAVITY IS WHAT THE MACHINE DOES?!?! If you read the very PDF that you mentioned, it states that it works at standard atmospheric and exerts no additional pressure, in other words you were easily fooled by the fancy marketing use of "gravity" to describe what us dumb folks call "upside-down".
How about "hydrodiffusion"? Honestly I don't know and haven't looked it up, but if I had to guess, it's a fancy term to describe separation using moisture in the sample being heated/excited by the microwave? Could be completely wrong, but either way why should I be impressed by the terminology?
Again, is it because they don't sell that many units and need to profit as a business with a relatively high R&D overhead along with custom manufacturing costs and high marketing & sales costs?
Just because something is cheaper than another does not necessarily make it a good value or investment. (A paper clip being sold for $20 may be cheaper than a $20k car, but does not necessarily make it a good value.)
Microwave modification info here, including diagrams and safety info/tips:
http://chemistry.mdma.ch/hiveboard/methods/000460214.html
F U and your months of teasing. I'll bet you got much more out of this thread than anyone got out of your confusion.
Cartel530, thanks for the pointers in the right direction.
http://chemistry.mdma.ch/hiveboard/methods/000460214.html
F U and your months of teasing. I'll bet you got much more out of this thread than anyone got out of your confusion.
Cartel530, thanks for the pointers in the right direction.
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XTracted purposely put a huge rotovape in a IG pic yesterday...
I suspect they do that to throw people off....
I suspect they do that to throw people off....
primeform
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Ive read the PDF on milestone and still dont understand why its expensive. Even there patent says it can be any microwave. Why the hell hasnt anyone cut a hole in a microwave and put a condensor under it?
http://www.google.com/patents/US20100062121?cl=en
Screw the neos gr, i want the mac-75!
http://prodinra.inra.fr/ft?id=3363264A-CF8D-4190-9A53-483B470CC557
http://www.google.com/patents/US20100062121?cl=en
Screw the neos gr, i want the mac-75!
http://prodinra.inra.fr/ft?id=3363264A-CF8D-4190-9A53-483B470CC557
I had a website I frequented years ago that was like EBAY for lab equipment. They would have equipment like that for sale...
Just because someone has it for sale, doesn't mean you don't have to provide justification to own it, in the free states of the US.
If I gathered up the money and sweet talked a legitimate lab supply company into selling me an SFME device, the fact that I am not an established company with a legitimate need for something like that, I would expect at least a friendly visit from a local DEA representative to see what I am up to, because the supply companies usually have to report stuff like that.
If I gathered up the money and sweet talked a legitimate lab supply company into selling me an SFME device, the fact that I am not an established company with a legitimate need for something like that, I would expect at least a friendly visit from a local DEA representative to see what I am up to, because the supply companies usually have to report stuff like that.
