jamaican "lambsbread"

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

I would just like to reiterate my experience with Jamaican Ganja when I was very young, maybe 1971 or 1972. It was wildly potent stuff, both terrifying and beautiful at the same time, very much like Thai Stick. The rocket ride up to the peak high induced jitters and paranoia, but once acclimated when the high leveled out, the world became a beautiful place and feelings of universal love overwhelmed one. Irie! So "mind fucking" potency, and beautiful joyous high at the same time. All my memories of this were memories where I was on my feet. Very energetic. I have seen comments about harvesting when very ripe to avoid the overly energetic qualities. I would suggest taking samples over a range of time. The high might change a lot.

The only "Lambsbread" I have ever seen that could have been that old Jamaican Ganja is this Bushman's. I remember seeing a whole plastic garbage bag filled with small incredibly fluffy airy buds. Like I said, for most of my life, only Thai Stick was comparable.

I grew two plants of this, and both were male. When I cut them back, they both had some intense aroma that made me think this is some special stuff. It was perfume, green fruit, and especially medicinal/chemical like something that might hurt you and you probably should stay away. I just successfully sprouted another seed, and I'm really hoping it will be a female this time. I'm going to hit it with almost 90 watts per square feet of a mix of metal halide and high pressure sodium light. If it does not turn out potent, I will come up with another strategy. I'm not going to give up easy with this one.



All the Best,

ThaiBliss

 

[Mustafunk]

Nice! A few more updated shots form this beauty... still uncertain but I would bet for a female!

I love the maroon stems in this plant and how the leaves got thinner, barely serrated with those long fine tips, they really remind me to some old congolese I've grown time ago...

Grasshoppers seem to love the plant too, I never had one with so many munched leaves!

Some more fresh from this days:

Irie vibes!

 

[Roms]

Male or female keep it veg and cloned bro, nice story n' synchronicity saved! Looking forward the purple senescence or not, do you know if the seed comes from the last Jahg's batch or from the previous one by the Vibesco'? Hasta siempre amigo

 

[mik']

NICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mustafunk]

Some more pictures of this beauty, it's got beautiful leaves indeed:

And super reddish stems, I'm looking forward to see if the buds turn purple as well:

It become a very nice tiny branchy bush:

Vibes.

 

[master chine]

real high grade!!

 

[sweet-emotion]

Hi Mustafunk, really nice plant you got there. Interesting to see how the leaves got narrower

 

[Corpsey]

That looks legit mustafunk, where/when did you get the seeds?

I was born on the island in the 80s and I never got to see any lambsbread, by the time I was interested in ganja it was all European genetics. But I keep thinking maybe I should meet up with some old timers on the island and try and get some seeds. I just don't go very often anymore, used to be 2-3 times a year.

 

[Thule]

Nice expression, very red! I had mine outdoors for a while and saw some purpling (cold related) in the buds. Let's hope she stays female. I cut half of my buds at the 100 day mark to avoid pollinating everything else but the nanners seem to be totally dry. Now the rest of her is at 115 days indoors and keeps on throwing new pistils, oh boy.

The 100 day samples are very promising. Suerte!

 

[Infinitesimal]

Some more pictures of this beauty, it's got beautiful leaves indeed:

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And super reddish stems, I'm looking forward to see if the buds turn purple as well:

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It become a very nice tiny branchy bush:

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Vibes.

hell yeah, nice!

we most definitely like the same kinds of plants

JLB is just another one of those must haves for the collection... awesome that this bushman stock still survives between you guys out there who scored it.

I slacked on grabbing the Blue Mountain while Kiaki was offering them but in hindsight I think the Double Jam may prove even better with the wider diversity of pure jamaican genetics.

That looks legit mustafunk, where/when did you get the seeds?

I was born on the island in the 80s and I never got to see any lambsbread, by the time I was interested in ganja it was all European genetics. But I keep thinking maybe I should meet up with some old timers on the island and try and get some seeds. I just don't go very often anymore, used to be 2-3 times a year.

hey yourcorpse,

that is cool you are from Jam, I am willing to bet good money there are some real legit rasta's that have kept pure lines.

 

[Corpsey]

hey yourcorpse,

that is cool you are from Jam, I am willing to bet good money there are some real legit rasta's that have kept pure lines.

There has to be. But there growing seasons sucks, so its much easier for them to grow quicker indica hybrids. I think I would have luck with someone who collected the seeds from 30-40 years ago rather then someone keeping it alive this whole time. I should ask my dad to look out for some down there, one of his old friends was on a soccer team with Bob Marley and that guy loves the herb.

 

[Mustafunk]

The line is the same heirloom Jamaican seen along this thread:

This line was collected from the reggae singer Bushman!! He said that this strain was cultivated by the "old" for many years!!

this line Lambsbread was collected backstage on Bushman's concert by a french rasta lover called GrowDan few years ago. Then the seeds came in the hands of another french landrace lover called Rahan, who has with friends worked and selected P1s from the Jamaican singer to produce multiple generations and reduce hermies.

First of all Thanks to these two individuals GrowDan, Rahan and the old VibesCollective around for preserving and sharing this precious by Mr Bushman.

As we all know, the situation with traditional and heirloom plants in Jamaica is very similar to what happens in Mexico or Colombia, another two big producers of outstanding worldwide famous marijuana back in the days. Sadly nowadays, most ancestral strains from the 70s are gone and extint in favor of the faster and more productive hybrids. Plus most people in their places of origin don't even appreciate them.

But for sure there will be old timers (and rasta communities in this case) living in remote places who have been growing privately the same herb at home and preserving their favourite plants for decades like they always did. This happens all over the world and unfortunately, very often is the only way to find legit oldschool strains. It's also said to be that deep in the Mexican mountains there are still some treasures left too and probably it happens all over the world! Not easy but neither impossible. The truth is out there!

And of course don't expect this kind of stuff to be sold for the tourists in Negril lol. It's a holy sacrament weed for them after all.

I would definitely recommend the Double Jam as a great jamaican hybrid, no commercial genes inside it! A friend of mine is running a few at the moment and he loves the growth and different expressions. I'm sure that the smoke and qualities will be more intense than any of the parents alone, guess it should be the hybrid vigour! haha.

Vibes.

 

[CimeTempestose]

.. As we all know, the situation with traditional and heirloom plants in Jamaica is very similar to what happens in Mexico or Colombia, another two big producers of outstanding worldwide famous marijuana back in the days. Sadly nowadays, most ancestral strains from the 70s are gone and extint in favor of the faster and more productive hybrids. Plus most people in their places of origin don't even appreciate them.

But for sure there will be old timers (and rasta communities in this case) living in remote places who have been growing privately the same herb at home and preserving their favourite plants for decades like they always did. This happens all over the world and unfortunately, very often is the only way to find legit oldschool strains. It's also said to be that deep in the Mexican mountains there are still some treasures left too and probably it happens all over the world! Not easy but neither impossible. The truth is out there!

Vibes.

I can only quote and agree about the fact that "industries" are working even in this field.. destroying the original landraces for more profittable stuffs to sell to "consumers"..

..just a question.. I am in South Europe.. in the pizza country.. any link about JLB ?.. find his Double Jam is not easy on the web..

 

[bushweed]

https://www.cannabiogen.com/en/productos.php?banco=11

 

[CimeTempestose]

Buwshweed.. but jahgreenlabel works for them ?

 

[bringyalungs]

The line is the same heirloom Jamaican seen along this thread:





As we all know, the situation with traditional and heirloom plants in Jamaica is very similar to what happens in Mexico or Colombia, another two big producers of outstanding worldwide famous marijuana back in the days. Sadly nowadays, most ancestral strains from the 70s are gone and extint in favor of the faster and more productive hybrids. Plus most people in their places of origin don't even appreciate them.

But for sure there will be old timers (and rasta communities in this case) living in remote places who have been growing privately the same herb at home and preserving their favourite plants for decades like they always did. This happens all over the world and unfortunately, very often is the only way to find legit oldschool strains. It's also said to be that deep in the Mexican mountains there are still some treasures left too and probably it happens all over the world! Not easy but neither impossible. The truth is out there!

And of course don't expect this kind of stuff to be sold for the tourists in Negril lol. It's a holy sacrament weed for them after all.

I would definitely recommend the Double Jam as a great jamaican hybrid, no commercial genes inside it! A friend of mine is running a few at the moment and he loves the growth and different expressions. I'm sure that the smoke and qualities will be more intense than any of the parents alone, guess it should be the hybrid vigour! haha.

Vibes.

whoooa boss man, I beg to differ on us island folk not appreciating the genetics... I would say it not as easy as you think to keep genetics there vs say the U.S. or Europe... for example the law is more unforgiving there... also the risk to preserve is also much higher outdoors... you either have bandits or soilders in the bush now.... and none of those groups play around... I am in the us now and because of my personal experience I would do anything to keep genetics going... even if I do return to the island I would make a way to grow my own but it would be very costly and very dangerous..even the equipment maybe doubled the actually cost... after all we pay taxes on everything that comes to us from overseas... import tax....so I don't think we don't Appreciate it... more like it's difficult and dangerous there...
no disrespect though.. that just rubbed me the wrong way... I'm post transplant and the herb has dealt with a lot of post transplant anxiety, panic attacks depressions and uncontrollable anger outburst. when I medicate , these things are put at bay... and I feel happy again compared to anti depressants that just leave me feeling numb...

 

[Mustafunk]

No disrespect intended man. I know sometimes we should not generalize and of course there are cannabis enthusiasts who love and appreciate their heritage everywhere. But I've been told and read many times that some people seem to prefer the frosty and strong overseas commercial trendy strains rather than the long flowering and untamed native genetics.

For example there is a boom with weed in Vietnam among the young people but they demand the Kushes, "indicas", canadian and american seeds or even autloflowering strains as they think local sativas are weak and take too long to harvest. Same in Colombia or Mexico, where many people demand the stronger hydro weed or purple kush rather than the old ancient stimulating Punto Rojo, Oaxaca and so on. I'm sure that druglords would be ok to grow tropical strains if it's what people demands even if they are less profitable than modern commercial strains.

I know in some places it's difficult to grow due to the harsh laws and farmers tendt to prefer the faster commercial hybrids but if Jamaican people love the classic collie weed and lambsbreads... why many times they grow AK47, White Widow, Blueberry and so on in their gardens instead of trying to find and preserve original old jamaican seeds in such nice tropical enviroment? The law is also unforgiving in Europe plus we have crazy difficulties to even finish this tropical strains outdoors in such latitudes:

[YOUTUBEIF]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jse9boAjBdE[/YOUTUBEIF]

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Anyway, no disrespect intended to all the other marijuana brothers.

Good vibes.

 

[master chine]

No disrespect intended man. I know sometimes we should not generalize and of course there are cannabis enthusiasts who love and appreciate their heritage everywhere. But I've been told and read many times that some people seem to prefer the frosty and strong overseas commercial trendy strains rather than the long flowering and untamed native genetics.

For example there is a boom with weed in Vietnam among the young people but they demand the Kushes, "indicas", canadian and american seeds or even autloflowering strains as they think local sativas are weak and take too long to harvest. Same in Colombia or Mexico, where many people demand the stronger hydro weed or purple kush rather than the old ancient stimulating Punto Rojo, Oaxaca and so on. I'm sure that druglords would be ok to grow tropical strains if it's what people demands even if they are less profitable than modern commercial strains.

I know in some places it's difficult to grow due to the harsh laws and farmers tendt to prefer the faster commercial hybrids but if Jamaican people love the classic collie weed and lambsbreads... why many times they grow AK47, White Widow, Blueberry and so on in their gardens instead of trying to find and preserve original old jamaican seeds in such nice tropical enviroment? The law is also unforgiving in Europe plus we have crazy difficulties to even finish this tropical strains outdoors in such latitudes:

[YOUTUBEIF]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jse9boAjBdE[/YOUTUBEIF]

[YOUTUBEIF]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0smdQyhE4Q[/YOUTUBEIF]

Anyway, no disrespect intended to all the other marijuana brothers.

Good vibes.

for me more yu share this type a strain more people go discover
the real power of cannabis from landrace where they all start!!!@hybrid

so for that even a don't get this beans

comme on dit ( chapeau bas!!!!)


So blaze one and share it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czrij8lvHto

 

[bringyalungs]

@musta ..... well not me... I rather the purest of the pure... true rasta man smoke... all these hybrids idk... as a society we need to keep these genetics going untouched man... pretty soon they will be extinct and that would not be good for mankind... we see people do it with other vegetables like tomatoes.... let's not do it to cannabis... we have come to far....with that being said... do you think there is really a benefit of crossing say a pure Congo... with say another fast flowing strain.. take ace Congo for example...it's cross with an Indica.., but as far as potency is that of any benefit?. like wouldn't a pure Congo grow 14-16 weeks plus be more potent than one that's crossed with say a 9-10 week... wouldn't the Congo have more time to develop making it reach its potential and potency?...sorry if it doesn't make sense so many thoughts to write down

 

[Mustafunk]

Yeah man as you can imagine I completely agree. On the other hand I think it's ok crossing Congo or Jamaican with whatever strains to breed new fine hybrids with new interesting qualities as well or to favor that more people could grow this strains succesfully even if they don't live in the tropics (in hybrid form). Of course breeding is an art like wine making, the crosses need to have a criteria and the strains choosed need to complement well and add something to the mix. But what should be priority as well, is preserving the original strains in pure and seed form for the future and to avoid the loss of heirloom strains. At least trying to do it as good as we can with our very limited resources.

Because we also must keep in mind that for a dioceous wind pollinated plant like Cannabis, for a proper genetic preservation we would need a reproduction of at least 2000 plants, to keep around 95% of the genes intact. In all this small scale home or cabinet reproductions, a significant number of genes will be lost for ever so the only thing we can do is try to preserve what we think it would be a better representation of the strain traits and character so it won't become extinct and it's possible to keep the strain being used, both in pure form or as breeding tool. So I guess it's fine to refine the strain a bit too (cull hermies for example or unwanted plants), if we understand that it's already late for a proper genetic preservation.

The Congo strain was a work done when Cannabiogen used to be the breeder behind their works (Panama, Nepal Jam, Bangi Haze, Oldtimer's Haze, Meao Thai, Congo and so on), it was done with the old Congo X Chitral cross made by Charlie Garcia. Unfortunately, the Congolese strain was lost in pure form because when grown, there weren't any congolese males to make more seeds and preserve the strain. I believe when the initial F1 was done, Charlie was looking for the congolese sweetness and energetic effect in a shorter flowering and with additional potency and vigour while being more suitable for indoors and outdoors in colder climates. All works were distributed in Cannabiogen's Deluxe Mixes. If the Congolese was better than the Congo X Chitral or Ace Congo I don't know. But of course it would have been great to preserve the Congolese P1 generation in pure form too.

Good breeding works are fine and necessary too to improve the Cannabis (after all this plant evolved and improved thanks to the man, not by itself in the nature), the problem is when breeding is done poorly with clone only strains, reversing females and not even following a certain criteria and skills. What some people call Pollen Chucking, right?

P.S: Speaking about Cannabiogen, another modern lambsbread strain (Jamaica Blue Mountain '85) was preserved by them and even took back to Jamaica years ago, just like they did with Colombians and others. Apart from that preservation project, it was offered in pure form and was also the base for many other great strains as the Caribe (Jamaica BM x NL5/Haze, Let it Flow (Jamaica BM/Haze x Chitral), Jamaica Blueberry, Jamaica Panama, Nepal Jam, Double Jam, etc...