Stocking the Plantry: Chucks, Yucks and a Few F*ck-Ups

[Arthritis_sucks]

hygrozyme not work well with chems? lol and you called me crazy!

Dam, go buy 1 smartpot, the water doesn't flow out hte sides of those, it has less resistance in the medium than thru the canvas. Just ot compare, lol

look for a local indoor gardening expo, I got three 3gallons for free and a 5 gallon for free. Oh and one 1 gallon

Next indoor garden expo, ima be walking out with LOADS of free shit that I need lol. FUcking load up on everything like a kid on halloween at those expos lol

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[wildgrow]

The 1 local 'expo' here sucks. I went last year - lllammmme. I did get a 60x scope and a 2 gal smart pot. Ya and a xxxl T that's 3 xs too big and some organic soil with bugs.
Theres 1 in Portland, but that's geared towards classes, getting your rec and being a designated provider.

Maine is always behind the times. 1 recreationally legal city, 2 or 3 more voting on it this and next year. If they pass, then the plan is on a statewide vote in 2 years.

 

[LyryC]

To each his own AS. Technically speaking, one doesn't need enzymes if they have a healthy and active microbe and benneficial population in the medium.

I use hygrozyme because I reuse my coco.

soon in the future, when I get all new coco and have my shit locked down, I don't think i'll use or need it since i'll be hosting microbes to the max

If you can deal with Boston, Not a fan personally, This expo will have so much free shit, the trip will tripple pay for itself. And you will meet the local industry guys that supply your hydroshop, shit like that. Meet other stoners, They have a huge give away too... I been going, Its a great time and it pays ya back for going

MY Indoor Expo

 

[wildgrow]

Im definitely not a city kid - Portland is plenty big for me. But, I just might have to go to this expo. Thanks for the heads up brother.

Without sparking a huge debate, what bennies should I be using? List them 1st and 2nd choice. A little 'why' would be helpful too. The more input, the better.

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

To each his own AS. Technically speaking, one doesn't need enzymes if they have a healthy and active microbe and benneficial population in the medium.

I use hygrozyme because I reuse my coco.

soon in the future, when I get all new coco and have my shit locked down, I don't think i'll use or need it since i'll be hosting microbes to the max

If you can deal with Boston, Not a fan personally, This expo will have so much free shit, the trip will tripple pay for itself. And you will meet the local industry guys that supply your hydroshop, shit like that. Meet other stoners, They have a huge give away too... I been going, Its a great time and it pays ya back for going

MY Indoor Expo

Good luck with that master grower L-Dogg

 

[wildgrow]

Ive been researching a bit and it does seem to me that if you have thriving bacterial and fungal populations than additional enzymes are overkill. Both can breakdown spent plant matter and the bacteria create enzymes in the process.

Something else I picked up on is that potassium silicates (silica supplements) can destroy fungal populations. Now, taking for granted that you have healthy and diverse fungal and bacterial populations, there should be no need for silica supplements since those populations will promote plant health and vitality - which I assume includes stronger cell walls.

Another thing that was hinted at was that bacterial colonies should be established before introducing fungi as the fungi may be detrimental to establishing a thriving bacterial population. This was only hinted at - Ive found nothing concrete about this yet.

So Im looking at what the different brands have to offer - diversity, price points, etc - and since Im using GH, naturally I checked out their Subculture line. If you watch the videos, They make a point in saying that the B (bacterial) should be used in coco, hydro, soilless mediums. They don't make such a strong suggestion for Subculture M - even though they say bacteria is 2nd to fungi.

And what about feeding the bacteria? Are we talking yet another thing to mix? I gathered that the fungi gets its carbs from the plant, but what about the bacteria?

Id rather not have to buy 3-4 more products if I can just buy 1 or maybe 2. You guys know Im about getting through this cost effectively. So how much of this is really needed? Particularly when using fluffy coco in very permeable pots, hempy-ish style with good air circulation and exchange.

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LC, you remember what you said in your thread about the coco being filled with roots? Its full buddy - up to about 1 cm under the coco surface

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Ok folks, you sure as hell know by now that Im no expert, so take all that stuff up there with as many grains of salt as you need to - I am.

 

[lil~greensprout]

Without getting all long winded about it... I feed all my critters G.H`s
pineapple rush, Hygrozyme and Great white is what I'm run these days.
Mostly I run that stuff in veg...

 

[wildgrow]

Hey, thanks for weighing in sprout. Sorry, but Im gonna need a lil more wind than that.

Any particular reason for the PineappleRush over the other 'flavors'?

I don't want to change the natural flavor of the buds. Ex. MM has no sweet nothing about it whatsoever - actually none are sweet per se - and I want that dank kushiness to stay that way. I suppose not running it in bloom wouldn't impart a flavor change?

The Fruit and Sugar nectars just say 'sweetness' where as the others mention an infusion of their respective fruit flavors.

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

Cheap route, Great White an black strap molases. Or Sprouts mix.

 

[lil~greensprout]

Sorry, but Im gonna need a lil more wind than that.

... OK

It's mostly just a preference thing, I guess I enjoy the way
pineapple smells... molasses and sugar cane in they're raw forms are
less than pleasing too our olfactory senses. I'm sure the folks at G.H.
researched that fact and add the scents to make them more palatable.

The reason I said I mostly run them in veg... is for the same reasons
you brought up, once they've established themselves, they're kinda
left on their own too do the "their thing" and keep my plants healthy.

Agreed on the "flavor~savior"... as I flush the shit out of each run,
I've really never noticed any influence from the use of it, that's
the beauty of a soil-less system, shit just washes right out, no prob !
I then give them a couple weeks too allow them to use up their reserves.
That last Nightmare diesel I grew out will literally make ya pucker...
As a bonus you get that wicked fade, that all the bud porn guys drool over !

That's all the breeze I got on that...

 

[wildgrow]

I must be a green-noser. So heres a +11 for ya, sprout!

Ive got black strap so thatll do, thatll do.

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Heres what I don't get...

The bacteria is added to produce the enzymes needed to help make nutes plant-ready through the production of enzymes, which also breaks down dead organic matter (spent roots).
Why even use bacteria if you can just use an enzyme supplement? Do you really need 2 stones to kill 1 bird?

This sounds like the definition of redundancy and requires 3 additives - the bacteria and their food source, as well as the enzymes.

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Some bene bacti products:

This 1st one is intriguing as it has a bit of everything.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JWFYLYU...TF8&colid=29ADLWMW86C6P&coliid=I3MP05305481Y2

http://www.amazon.com/STRATA-Intern..._sim_lg_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=0NZK956HQT3M00SJQMHS

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009XRU8EE...UTF8&colid=29ADLWMW86C6P&coliid=IM8ZQXNWCPGGR

And another with a bit of everything, from a company we've all heard of, minus the silica of the 1st product above.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0032K0EZQ...UTF8&colid=29ADLWMW86C6P&coliid=ICYXKY0J2W9EU

Ooops, 1 more.

http://www.amazon.com/OM-Microbial-...=1-35&keywords=beneficial+bacteria+for+plants

Let it fly!

 

[tleaf jr.]

I think the enzymes supplements can be used in soils lacking the bacteria and fungai to break down those goodies so its kind of an either or type situation . I could see the supplements being used in soil-less mediums or a hydro set-up.

 

[Infinitesimal]

enzymes work best in hydro or soil/soilless when using bottled nutes... as bottled nutes will kill any bacteria/fungus present anyway, so in my experience when using fox farm soluble nutes and hygrozyme... an enzyme does help a lot when used every watering.

I have noticed less of an effect when using organic soil an not using the hygrozyme every single watering. I don't know if it is because the naturally present bacteria and fungus are already producing the enzymes or since I am using organics I just don't mix solutions regularly so I don't use as much hygrozyme?

 

[lil~greensprout]

I run them both as an insurance policy... ya know plan A and plan B.
As for helping the nutrients breakdown small enough to be taken up
readily by the roots system I add Humic & felvic acid, Diamond nector
to be more precise, in soil they're found naturally, not so much in coco.

 

[wildgrow]

Thanks to all y'alls. Helpful indeed. Ill be using Floralicious Bloom so Im getting a little of the humic acid.

Ill go with just the enzymes for now. Im willing to take risks 'cause Im not letting down anyone but myself if its a mistake. And its cheap! Yay!

Shit adds up fast when you change your whole style up. That and making a better chuckin nook, grow glasses - all the odds and ends - it really adds up. Off the top of my head - $600 spent during August alone. That's a lot of money to me.

Lets not forget the bean addiction. There are just no elites around me, so buying beans, making beans is as close as Im getting - for now. Muahahahahaaaaaaa!
There is 1 guy who has been selling GSC. Never seen the bud or plants, so he could just be riding the name.

Guys, again, thanks for all the input.

 

[wildgrow]

I thought Id actually have something for you to look at tomorrow. 1st time ever that my Amazon order will be late - of course its the one with the grow glasses.

Ill be puffing on some Blue Dream in a minute. Tomorrow I get to taste some early MM. In a few days I get some early SLH - found the damn branch flopped over, snapped yesterday.

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The glasses came!!!

 

[wildgrow]

Ehherm. Well, I wanted a picture extravaganza. What I got was a sideshow. Only 2 marginally worthy of posting. Ill try to get a few more tomorrow.

SLH - Fattest colas Ive gotten on her yet. Besides 5/10 being too N heavy for her, shes done well on GH. Got her and everyone else on straight h2o now - even the long running StrawD.

StrawD - This 1 is expressing most closely to the pic used to market them. A little foxtailing with medium density. The long runner is airy and foxtailed. The nugget pheno hasn't changed much. A little more size and the densest of the 3.

MM is looking good. Got those small tight flowers making dense greasy nugs. Can-not-fucking-wait. A few more days and she'll be hanging.

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

Ehherm. Well, I wanted a picture extravaganza. What I got was a sideshow. Only 2 marginally worthy of posting. Ill try to get a few more tomorrow.

SLH - Fattest colas Ive gotten on her yet. Besides 5/10 being too N heavy for her, shes done well on GH. Got her and everyone else on straight h2o now - even the long running StrawD.

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StrawD - This 1 is expressing most closely to the pic used to market them. A little foxtailing with medium density. The long runner is airy and foxtailed. The nugget pheno hasn't changed much. A little more size and the densest of the 3.

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MM is looking good. Got those small tight flowers making dense greasy nugs. Can-not-fucking-wait. A few more days and she'll be hanging.

Hay, hay now. Thats the shorty StrawD I was hoping for when I did the last bean pop. Hoping she's gonna be in the remainder beans i am sitting on. Don't get me wrong the 12-14 week is killer but the time just kills me when the longest I usually run are 70'ers.

The airy on the long finisher goes away an fills in. Just gotta take her long enough. I was worried too at first but all was solid when she came down.

Nice job wild.

 

[wildgrow]

Thanks mang.

The airy 1 is def going to go the distance. The nugget girl is gonna be pretty long too 11 or 12 weeks. Kinda long for the apparent yield, but maybe shes bomb diggity - as the kids used to say
The 1 pictured - I still think 11-12 weeks is likely.

Ive had good luck letting satty girls go long with just water in the past - hope that luck holds. Got some low N guano if they need a boost. That reminds me, I should shit on the OD girls.

 

[tleaf jr.]

Looking good wild the SLH looks bomb .....