The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

[Luther Burbank]

Very good point Arminius.

 

[Arminius]

Very good point Arminius.

Thanks Luther Growing in the Santa Cruz Mountains has forced me to stay on top of it. In my indoor, I keep everything inoculated in the nursery, but it is harder when dealing with OD. I am confident, that since all my plants are clones from my nursery, they did not have PM in their system, and I will be vigilant with airflow and pruning in the hope to avoid spraying PM sprays on greasy flowers ;-)

 

[localhero]

pretty sure pm isnt systemic. the spores are most likely all over the place, which is another reason sulfur burners work well indoors, as the sulfur coats every nook and cranny everywhere. cal 25 foliar and varied sources of calcium in my soil made my plants strong enough to resist pm infection, and this is with cuke plants riddled with pm feet away from my garden.

 

[Arminius]

pretty sure pm isnt systemic. the spores are most likely all over the place, which is another reason sulfur burners work well indoors, as the sulfur coats every nook and cranny everywhere. cal 25 foliar and varied sources of calcium in my soil made my plants strong enough to resist pm infection, and this is with cuke plants riddled with pm feet away from my garden.

There are different interpretations of the "systemic" nature of PM. Reading scientific papers online; PM is regarded as an infection. You may see it on one leaf, but it just hasn't appeared on the other leaves YET. It is systemic in the sense that you cannot see infected plant material until the spores manifest on your leaves. How do you eradicate the unseen, infected plant matter? That is why I said after the first sign of it, you are only going to be able to mitigate its appearance later on.

 

[mr.shiva]

Pm is more systemic than not systemic The only time I ever see it now is if I get a clone from a club. I cure them

 

[MountZionCollec]

Soluble mycorrhizae? I'm lost as to your use of the word soluble. Mycorrhizae only activate upon contact with roots so foliar spray would be pointless, as is its addition to an ACT, and I can't see the mycorrhizal relationship with the roots doing much to deter PM.

By soluble I meant this: http://www.planetnatural.com/product/soluble-mycorrhizae/

Their are variations that are grainy and do not dissolve in water, so I am unable to water it through my drip system.

Sprinkl brought up the idea of compost teas helping with pm because it would provide a shield around the roots. I was under the impression, but could be wrong, that compost teas and mycorrhizae did similar things?

 

[Luther Burbank]

Sprinkl was discussing using act as a foliar to provide a barrier on the leaves. Afaik pm doesn't attack roots.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

September Stack is almost here !!

September Stack is almost here !!

August stretch couldn't have gone better , September Stack is on the way and things are set up excellent !!

It isn't really accepted any more to talk about HOW we get our big plants to where they are in this thread, so I'll just share some pictures.

Here we are in May , 10 days after planting on 5/31. These were cuts started on 4/20 !!

And now here we are today on August 27

 

[epicorchard]

I'm thinking less crosses next year. Things are getting weird.

 

[mendo-local]

Sour mango

 

[epicorchard]

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Sour mango

she's deep into it. Nice early finisher?

 

[Jbomber79]

Did you plant those to close?

August stretch couldn't have gone better , September Stack is on the way and things are set up excellent !!

It isn't really accepted any more to talk about HOW we get our big plants to where they are in this thread, so I'll just share some pictures.

Here we are in May , 10 days after planting on 5/31. These were cuts started on 4/20 !!

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And now here we are today on August 27

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[mendo-local]

she's deep into it. Nice early finisher?

Hope so! Crossed a beautiful mango that finished late september to a sour d male so she might keep stacking in to oct.. all my sour mangos are about the same at this point. Def. Some serious vigor on these plants and a nice sour rot fruit smell. A lot like the blue dream I crossed to the same male, they resemble the mom most.

 

[ponobegone]

I planted mine too close this year I wish I had done a row less, and just bigger pots. Byf we just don't want to hear all that car salesman stuff all over again brah. Your garden does look great btw. Epic that looks way ahead of my earliest girls

 

[Backyard Farmer]

I must be selling ferraris then, all new AEA customers are satisified with product and reporting the best gardens ever ....#turbochargedgardens

 

[ponobegone]

What about the daves earthworm mix you wouldn't stfu about earlier this year? All those customers reporting their best years ever? Ya...maybe should post up your endless plugs about that and then let some folks speak about their experience this year, along with a soil report I have of that 200 yard next level soil...keep showing us how its done young dreadi master

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Pono , the terrace above the plants pictured is in BRAND NEW 1st year BYF Blend Earthworm Mix from Dave Royal and they're doing the same thing and these plants that are in 3 or 4 year now Dave Royal / BYF blend and actually 1 of the plants on that terrace is the biggest one on the farm...It's ignorant to think just buying soil or a bottle will make you a good gardener , it won't.

But 5 yard mounds of Worm Soil / BYF Blend soil plus AEA nutrients is making LARGE outdoor plants! For me anyways

PS> Dreadlocks and Foliar Spraying don't work!

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

August stretch couldn't have gone better , September Stack is on the way and things are set up excellent !!

It isn't really accepted any more to talk about HOW we get our big plants to where they are in this thread, so I'll just share some pictures.

Here we are in May , 10 days after planting on 5/31. These were cuts started on 4/20 !!

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And now here we are today on August 27

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Trees! Nice work BYF.

 

[Organic Grower]

Well, Dave Royal did sell the soil as "just add water" mix. No mention of massive mounds or AEA products to get them through the season. I agree that it is ignorant to think that just buying soil will make you a good gardener, but I do believe a well developed living soil will get you through the seasons. Soils do need care and inputs to continue to build and remain productive, but I had the impression that the price tag on that norcal blend was in essence buying the time that it takes to build a soil. Hopeful thinking. Noone to blame but myself.

Nonetheless I was impressed with the initial growth of my plants. The soil does seem rich from the start, but as a standalone season long soil, its lacking. Still waiting on my soil test results to see where it missed.

 

[bamboogardner]

The soil test I got from Logan Labs on the EWSF soil does not paint a very pretty picture. Calcium at 21.26%, Magnesium at 9.48% and Potassium at a unbelieveable 67.80%. Calcium and Magnesium added together should be 70% to 80% of the exchangable cations with the K being 2 to 5%, not almost 68%. Talk about nutrient lockout? No wonder leaves are turning yellow and dropping. Should we discuss the 7.0 Ph and 0% exchangable hydrogen? If that is not your bag to discuss, maybe nitrogen availability of 0.2 would raise interest.

A second and separate soil test from Logan Labs confirms the first. I had some of the EWSF soil left over and it would not even sprout grass seed. Bad isolated batch? Who knows. But never again, that's for sure. And organic's concerns above are not the first I heard. What about Furry? You know, the post that got deleted. A well respected employee of AEA looked at the soil and told me to trash it at the end of the year. Said it would take 3 or more years to get it into Albrecht's standards.

Do your homework before purchasing from EWSF, that's for sure. If you like what you see, go for it. Don't let someone else do your homework for you. As the old saying goes, Caveat Emptor, "Let the buyer beware".