Has anyone here actually dabbed steam distilled hash? I have.... it's not the clear...
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The Not So Solventless Clear Concentrate From Harborside!
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DeMacho Labs
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I haven't dabbed it either. Do you know the process tickle?
Some form of pyrolysis? It's just kind of sad they are doing this in such a unprofessional way. As if they'll be the ones to actually make bank off of refining crappy oil. Who's making shitty oil to begin with? Large corps. It's just sad to see such small time business's try to bank off of ideas when big industry (pharma in particular) already have machines patented, that will do this. Meaning these guys are ripping people off while they can WHILE keeping specific instruments from the community for the sake of, well, money, and ripping people off.
Again, I'd understand the secrecy if it wasn't a guarantee bigger companies already have a hold on techniques like this, considering they make the instruments and devices being used...So they're being secret only to be pushed out in the future, so enjoy the "clear" at high prices from "local" shops until PalMal undercuts their prices. lol
Again, I'd understand the secrecy if it wasn't a guarantee bigger companies already have a hold on techniques like this, considering they make the instruments and devices being used...So they're being secret only to be pushed out in the future, so enjoy the "clear" at high prices from "local" shops until PalMal undercuts their prices. lol
Hi NEGT1,
interesting first post, lol. welcome aboard btw...
can you give some more info on what machines or processes they are using? i wouldn't be surprised at all if you are correct, they just happened to know of a process and machinery to make it and want to cash in as long as they can.
i mean it's been an ongoing development since the first tube was blasted into a pyrex dish in a hot water bath, to the situation now with highly professional extraction equipment has been developed. safe aspect have come up, and been dealt with 1 by 1 and it's a continues process, problems are still being found and solutions implemented.
anyway i'm very interested in some of these alternative methods like steam or the microwave one talked about earlier in this thread. so what do you suspect is being used for the so called clear?
I would love to try fractionally steam distilling some BHO as an experiment if anyone had an actual procedure to follow, what they are packing their column with, what temperatures and fractions are we dealing with, are they dissolving in ethanol or another solvent, etc...
We have a small 1 liter fractional distilling setup and a couple ounces of crappy dark BHO from trim that no one wants to touch. Would be perfect for an experiment, but I would prefer to have a little more information before I go wasting time or concentrates.
We have a small 1 liter fractional distilling setup and a couple ounces of crappy dark BHO from trim that no one wants to touch. Would be perfect for an experiment, but I would prefer to have a little more information before I go wasting time or concentrates.
1. Not pyrolysis but it would be fascinating to hear your theories on how pyrolysis refines THC. Pyrolyze/exorcise the evil black part?
2. Examples of big corps who are making shitty oil when they can produce "clear" yellow oil?
CarefulGrower
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By disproving the hundreds of other tests on non 'the raw' oils that show THEY are consistently undetectable levels of solvent. If non 'the raw' oil can match it's solvent profile, how can one be 'more clean' than the other ?
If both oils = 0, how is one 0 more 0 than the other ??
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
I just learned there is a special magic word you have to say while blasting to get this 0 ppm "clear" oil. Can't tell it to you all though. It's a secret.
I've only skimmed the thread but I presume this was posted.
http://www.sineomicrowave.com/produ...=116&ProductsID=125&ViewCateID=116&orderid=49
I'm not a scientist or organic chemist, not even close.
IF that is what is used, or something similar to that is used, good luck finding one, and when you do, expect something around 25-30k.
We all know there was a point when old/used vac ovens could be purchased from medical outlets or science research outlets, before companies like AI widely distributed them.
My larger point was that the reasons for keeping what makes the "clear" a secret is wrong because the same thing will happen with these devices. Whether the price drops or not, doesn't matter, once the demand is there, the companies will make and sell them. Meaning anyone will be able to purchase one, and "clear" will be nothing more than what shatter was before everyone had a vac.
There's still a lot of money to be made here, but it's only for a limited time, the price for what it's getting isn't sustainable. I don't know, if canna was federally legal I would say go at it, hide all the tips and tricks you'd like, but the customer base is still so limited that it feels like keeping the procedures a secret is going to backfire because so many other people already have a hand up on getting to the market first.
Big picture, making customers pay more money because is only going to hurt when big pharma comes in and puts everyone on the block. Companies who sold out early, and forced customers to pay high prices will remain on the block...
I suppose if you want a short term, relatively high gain (remember, sale of
the clear" is still limited to what, two states...) with little back end, running a business like this is the way to go. But in 5 years, when 50 other companies are doing the same thing only with better business ethics, good luck competing with them and pharma.
It just seems like such a small short term, regional gain, to keep the facts a secret.
http://www.sineomicrowave.com/produ...=116&ProductsID=125&ViewCateID=116&orderid=49
I'm not a scientist or organic chemist, not even close.
IF that is what is used, or something similar to that is used, good luck finding one, and when you do, expect something around 25-30k.
We all know there was a point when old/used vac ovens could be purchased from medical outlets or science research outlets, before companies like AI widely distributed them.
My larger point was that the reasons for keeping what makes the "clear" a secret is wrong because the same thing will happen with these devices. Whether the price drops or not, doesn't matter, once the demand is there, the companies will make and sell them. Meaning anyone will be able to purchase one, and "clear" will be nothing more than what shatter was before everyone had a vac.
There's still a lot of money to be made here, but it's only for a limited time, the price for what it's getting isn't sustainable. I don't know, if canna was federally legal I would say go at it, hide all the tips and tricks you'd like, but the customer base is still so limited that it feels like keeping the procedures a secret is going to backfire because so many other people already have a hand up on getting to the market first.
Big picture, making customers pay more money because is only going to hurt when big pharma comes in and puts everyone on the block. Companies who sold out early, and forced customers to pay high prices will remain on the block...
I suppose if you want a short term, relatively high gain (remember, sale of
the clear" is still limited to what, two states...) with little back end, running a business like this is the way to go. But in 5 years, when 50 other companies are doing the same thing only with better business ethics, good luck competing with them and pharma.
It just seems like such a small short term, regional gain, to keep the facts a secret.
Why is everyone talking about steam distillation? Fractional distillation is all you need. Each temperature fraction will have different compounds, its all about finding the right temp for the fraction your trying to collect...... Glassware is pretty cheap and very easy to setup. Im having some fun with science over here 
There's no doubt that this will be a huge innovation within cannabis, the idea that the starting strain doesn't matter is HUGE. This allows a single company to not only produce on a large scale, but market and sell on a large scale. There's more gain in marketing and sales when you have A LOT of the same product. It's kind of like streamlining concentrates, consistency here is KEY. People buying this (trust me, they'll buy it simply for consistency and marketing value) won't care too much about taste, but the product will deliver with consistency.
But again, I just find it far fetched that the people who are currently making the "clear" will be the ones to turn it into big business on a national scale.
But again, I just find it far fetched that the people who are currently making the "clear" will be the ones to turn it into big business on a national scale.
I assume steam distillation is being discussed because it allows you to distill off heat sensitive compounds at lower temperatures without destroying them. Steam distillation under vacuum is a pretty common industrial method of extracting essential oils from plants.
I don't think the use of steam distillation excludes the use of fractioning necessarily though. If you are just doing basic fractional distillation, I assume there is some solvent involved and you are not just directly heating a flask full of already purged bho?
I asked for information in my last post about anyone doing fractional distillation, but it seems anyone who finds anything out just wants to keep it under wraps and offer teasers.
I don't think the use of steam distillation excludes the use of fractioning necessarily though. If you are just doing basic fractional distillation, I assume there is some solvent involved and you are not just directly heating a flask full of already purged bho?
I asked for information in my last post about anyone doing fractional distillation, but it seems anyone who finds anything out just wants to keep it under wraps and offer teasers.
See this is where the specifics of cannabis and the molecules really matters. You may, or may not need steam along with pressure to derive the essential "clear" compounds without destroying them. But there is most definitely fractional distillation it seems.
Clear Concentrates used to rent lab space at The Werc Shop... You don't think they know how they do it?
I know for a fact they know how to do it. I will once again say that you guys are complicating it too much. Cannaroma and the clear came about at the same time... coincidence? I think not.
Steam distilled hash gifted to my by DJ Short last summer.
@TickleMyBalls: do you have any information about how it was made?
I am not saying it isn't, but that is not at all what I would expect steam distilled hash to look like, I can't imagine the solids recrystallizing in the collection vessel once they had been vaporized?
The only way I can see getting a consistency like this is steam distilled hash in the sense that any unwanted compounds were distilled off and this hash is what was in the boiling flask initially, but the hash itself isn't a distillate product.
I am not saying it isn't, but that is not at all what I would expect steam distilled hash to look like, I can't imagine the solids recrystallizing in the collection vessel once they had been vaporized?
The only way I can see getting a consistency like this is steam distilled hash in the sense that any unwanted compounds were distilled off and this hash is what was in the boiling flask initially, but the hash itself isn't a distillate product.
it was a while ago, so I can't remember if he gave me any more info other than steam distilled. This was steam distilled from nugget, not bad shatter. So who knows what that would look like. But I would guess that due to the long period of high temps and high pressure needed for it, it wouldn't be clear.
Ok I see what you are saying, this was hash made from steam distilled raw plant material and not hash that was further refined by steam distillation, which is what I thought you were talking about originally, that would explain the color coming over and the texture.
