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acridlab
yeah, i still grow them fookies, lol they consistanly bring in 4 fake racks per, too. and i even label them as cc's unknown cross
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Bloombastic vs Blossom Builder
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yeah, i still grow them fookies, lol they consistanly bring in 4 fake racks per, too. and i even label them as cc's unknown cross
Got a link?
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acridlab
no, but i have strains that I've been growing perpetually for years straight. and I've ran many different nutrient combos with them.. I've ran my sour kush before with 5 different nutrient lines in one room. i dont do this for anybody else but myself. so i didn't feel a need to document for arguments sake.. I've been growing this shit for over 20 and tried alot of methods.. i actually strive to grow the best that i can. and i actually try to help peeps. i truly dont care if u dont believe me.
like I've said before hb, i tried a run with dynagro because of your great salesmanship.. and i think that it grew really healthy plants, as do most nutrients. but it was not anywhere close to others in trich production and terpine development. thus leaving a bland, dry smoke.
if u threw some bloombastic ontop of it, correctly, i may add, without turning your plants all crispy, "wink", it would definitely help your cause.. try that side by side.. all in all. keep spouting off at how everything is stupid because its not needed, so on, so forth.. people that actually can think for themselves and do try different things, will come to they're own conclusions. and I'm willing to bet they will end up seeing that some "glossy labeled" products, just may, turn some stale nuggetry into greasy, sticky, clean burning cannabis… ***disclaimer*** this will only work if used correctly! as in, dont fry ur shit up. and know how to adjust tds accordingly.."cough", connoisseur/dyna side by side "cough"
The big problem with canna growers is that they often see what they want to see. I'll just leave it at that.
I will give you one point in regards to additives, and I've said this many times before, that I do like organic-ish supplements like the sea kelps, fulvics and humics in hydro. They're not turning 'stale nuggetry into greasy, sticky, clean burning cannabis' as you say because NOTHING will, but they do add some aesthetic value.
SpaaaceCowboy
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thanks for this post bro...very informative....
I picked up some Bloombastic...,My regular nutes are 10-30-20 - I know kinda hot....I know the Bloombastic says 2ml to 4ml per gallon......I was thinking of starting around 1ml per gallon....any thoughts on this ?
Bonus Question is anyone can answer: I just upped my pot size to 5 gallons..I think it holds 5.4 gallons of soil....anyways, I water one day thoroughly then I nute the next day....The solution is mixed up in a half gallon...Anyone think I should be mixing up more solution than a half gallon with a 5 gallon pot ?
thnx, SC
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acridlab
10/30/20 is a lil hot. But if u keep your ppms at a reasonable level, u should be safe with 1mm per gal. Just check ur totals after adding in and u should b good.. I rarely go over 600/700 ppm on a .5...that's with boosters..
Bonus question: I would def feed more in a five gal.
I am in fives and I use Promix hp with 20% added perlite and I feed, feed, feed. Usually takes me 2 gal of food to get my 10-20% runoff.. that is key with feeding everytime,, need good runoff.. then I let it dry out and repeat till harvest,, if u do it right,, no need for leaching or flushing.. Imo
But,, there's a thousand ways to skin a cat,, peace
Bonus question: I would def feed more in a five gal.
I am in fives and I use Promix hp with 20% added perlite and I feed, feed, feed. Usually takes me 2 gal of food to get my 10-20% runoff.. that is key with feeding everytime,, need good runoff.. then I let it dry out and repeat till harvest,, if u do it right,, no need for leaching or flushing.. Imo
But,, there's a thousand ways to skin a cat,, peace
SpaaaceCowboy
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I dont have a ppm tester......but lets say I was using 1/2 tsp of nutes per half gallon.....if I doubled my nutes to 1 tsp but this time to a gallon instead of a half gallon does my ppm stay the same ?
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acridlab
It should, if u have a steady hand and a good measuring device
Get a tds meter, even a cheapo.it's the best money u can spend, that and your ph meter...
I only say this because sometimes when I'm measuring, Its hard to pour out of bottles into measuring spoons..especially when drinking. So having a ppm meter insures I don't totally fug up and over/under feed
SpaaaceCowboy
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It should, if u have a steady hand and a good measuring device
Get a tds meter, even a cheapo.it's the best money u can spend, that and your ph meter...
Sweet...thnx for that info bro.....now I can go do some happy nuting
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acridlab
Sweet...thnx for that info bro.....now I can go do some happy nuting
Any time sir,, just pm if you run into anything. And until or if u get some meters,a good tip;, I would start off at 1/4 strength base nutes, And raise a 1/4 every 2 weeks until your happy,, if u c the slightest tip burn, back off a hair and stay there.. peace
The original Bloombastic thread is here:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=91088
Some quotes from Krunchbubble, for the naysayers who haven't tried it:
"i got some trim from my boy's grow to make butane oil, he used an sensi a@b with bloombastic. the YIELD with this trim was 9.5 grams per tube, ALMOST DOUBLE what the norm is at 5 grams a tube. done this strain(og kush/gdp) many times in my tubes and this time, WOW! no pics since is was not my garden.
in my group of growers, we do side by side comparison of products with every single grow we do. this was the first time we ran bloombastic. we did a side by side comparison to dark energy. absolutely everything in both rooms were identical except for the bloombastic and dark energy. the bloombastic room yielded twice then the dark energy in butane extraction ammount, but the dark energy room yielded more then the bloombastic room......
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=91088
Some quotes from Krunchbubble, for the naysayers who haven't tried it:
"i got some trim from my boy's grow to make butane oil, he used an sensi a@b with bloombastic. the YIELD with this trim was 9.5 grams per tube, ALMOST DOUBLE what the norm is at 5 grams a tube. done this strain(og kush/gdp) many times in my tubes and this time, WOW! no pics since is was not my garden.
in my group of growers, we do side by side comparison of products with every single grow we do. this was the first time we ran bloombastic. we did a side by side comparison to dark energy. absolutely everything in both rooms were identical except for the bloombastic and dark energy. the bloombastic room yielded twice then the dark energy in butane extraction ammount, but the dark energy room yielded more then the bloombastic room......
Bloombastic:
Derived from: Pottasium Phosphate, Pottasium Hydroxide, Phosforic acid, Iron EDTA, Laminara Digitata, Ascophyllum Nodosum All natural based nutrient additive
The "bling bling for your plants"....
Is worth in total no more than $10.
It's surprising how naive people are with regards what they want to believe in when growing weed. The chase for that magic ingredient which will give you a massive harvest and make you rich is what makes the claim of special forces inside the bottle so enticing.
The fact is there is nothing whatsoever that the nutrient company will source which will make it worth even 1 tenth of what they charge for it, and if you don't understand the business model of these companies then you won't understand either than if there was, they certainly wouldn't be putting it in your bottle out of sheer generosity.
Ascophyllum Nodosum is what you will know as seaweed. And let's say they use humic and fulvic acids in the bottle as well - which they probably don't because they've probably left that maggot for another hook - In fact let's say they put carbs, silicates, humates.... everything all in the one bottle, what you would have, even then, would be an amount of each which, if you simply bought your seaweed and humic from a better source than a hydro company - and it would be hard to find a worse one - you would be able to make literally 1000 times over, and I'm probably underestimating
You can debate whether high PK ratios work better than high K ones etc etc... I mean maybe high P&K + seaweed really was responsible for some fella's great result... but only people with no knowledge of where these things come from will argue that they're worth anywhere near what you're paying for them, or that there are magic ingredients which justify the price.
The hydro nutrient market is based on the ignorance of the consumer. Growers empowering themselves with knowledge would see the floor would fall out of it and the prices fall down as they clamor for your custom by selling them at proper concentrations.
But in the meantime, while you've got the choice to buy a whole tub of high grade magnesium, but instead you choose to buy a teaspoon of it diluted for twice the price because you don't know if it will do the same thing, these companies are raking it in.
Derived from: Pottasium Phosphate, Pottasium Hydroxide, Phosforic acid, Iron EDTA, Laminara Digitata, Ascophyllum Nodosum All natural based nutrient additive
The "bling bling for your plants"....
Is worth in total no more than $10.
It's surprising how naive people are with regards what they want to believe in when growing weed. The chase for that magic ingredient which will give you a massive harvest and make you rich is what makes the claim of special forces inside the bottle so enticing.
The fact is there is nothing whatsoever that the nutrient company will source which will make it worth even 1 tenth of what they charge for it, and if you don't understand the business model of these companies then you won't understand either than if there was, they certainly wouldn't be putting it in your bottle out of sheer generosity.
Ascophyllum Nodosum is what you will know as seaweed. And let's say they use humic and fulvic acids in the bottle as well - which they probably don't because they've probably left that maggot for another hook - In fact let's say they put carbs, silicates, humates.... everything all in the one bottle, what you would have, even then, would be an amount of each which, if you simply bought your seaweed and humic from a better source than a hydro company - and it would be hard to find a worse one - you would be able to make literally 1000 times over, and I'm probably underestimating
You can debate whether high PK ratios work better than high K ones etc etc... I mean maybe high P&K + seaweed really was responsible for some fella's great result... but only people with no knowledge of where these things come from will argue that they're worth anywhere near what you're paying for them, or that there are magic ingredients which justify the price.
The hydro nutrient market is based on the ignorance of the consumer. Growers empowering themselves with knowledge would see the floor would fall out of it and the prices fall down as they clamor for your custom by selling them at proper concentrations.
But in the meantime, while you've got the choice to buy a whole tub of high grade magnesium, but instead you choose to buy a teaspoon of it diluted for twice the price because you don't know if it will do the same thing, these companies are raking it in.
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acridlab
yeah, i hear u. i never said anything about it being cheap for what it is, tho. i know we can go out and buy bulk and throw it together ourselves.. but alot of growers simply dont have the time or space for it… i do know that alot of boosters will work better than not using them. it clearly shows in the final product when i use them.. and for the record, i dont even use bloombastic anymore. or the blossom builder.. but i have used both in the past. anyhow, i def believe you can cause damage with all these products, but if you use them in a lower, safe, dose, they do change the bud.. and for me, they usually change them for the better.. and I'm also happy for companies that are raking it in. they should be, thats what its all about. i know most growers are raking it in even more, lol. just the way the world goes round, imo.. if i spend 30 buks on a product that increases my product return over 1000 bucks, then by all effing means i will pay the crazy high prices for it.. just me tho… peace
What boosters do is alter the PK ratios of a base food to make it more suitable for flowering. The reason hydro companies formulate their base foods like that in the first place is so there's room for an extra bottle to sell. Now I'm not making a moral point here, I'm just saying, that's how it is.
The higher ratio of K to N will give you a better product and more of it. Too much N will grow foliage at the expense of bud and can be detrimental to a crop. It's why a lot of people cite big differences when they use one vs using a base food alone, especially if the base they're using has a high N ratio.
So boost your PK, by all means.
But, when they start talking about growth stimulants and vital micro elements which work alongside the basic P&K... that's really where you need to do the maths and, if you're investing in the idea that these things will boost your yields - and there's some good evidence to show that they have positive effects on test crops - then you really should be investing in the good stuff and spending that money on tubs of each one which, not only can you use at a concentration which is more likely to have an effect, if one is to be had at all, but which will last you a lot longer than what's in this bottle.
This isn't just about price, it's about quality. I can't think of anything worse than giving Atami money to give me a bottle of watered down shit, when I can get a whole 4kg tub of humic/fulvic which I can use to enrich anything I plant. The same goes for seaweed.
It's a gratifying thing to have these minerals in abundance... whatever placebo/feel good factor you get from using the watered down versions, you get ten fold when you have as much of the pure stuff as you will ever need.
Buy a generic PK booster which is already made, and add all the magic potion growth stimulant stuff yourself. It's really that easy.
The higher ratio of K to N will give you a better product and more of it. Too much N will grow foliage at the expense of bud and can be detrimental to a crop. It's why a lot of people cite big differences when they use one vs using a base food alone, especially if the base they're using has a high N ratio.
So boost your PK, by all means.
But, when they start talking about growth stimulants and vital micro elements which work alongside the basic P&K... that's really where you need to do the maths and, if you're investing in the idea that these things will boost your yields - and there's some good evidence to show that they have positive effects on test crops - then you really should be investing in the good stuff and spending that money on tubs of each one which, not only can you use at a concentration which is more likely to have an effect, if one is to be had at all, but which will last you a lot longer than what's in this bottle.
This isn't just about price, it's about quality. I can't think of anything worse than giving Atami money to give me a bottle of watered down shit, when I can get a whole 4kg tub of humic/fulvic which I can use to enrich anything I plant. The same goes for seaweed.
It's a gratifying thing to have these minerals in abundance... whatever placebo/feel good factor you get from using the watered down versions, you get ten fold when you have as much of the pure stuff as you will ever need.
Buy a generic PK booster which is already made, and add all the magic potion growth stimulant stuff yourself. It's really that easy.
Too funny how you troll!
You don't know shit about Bloombastic, because you've never tried it, just like you never tried most of the products you criticize.
Definitely a blowhard, though.
Nothing matches the trichome production of Bloombastic. Double the amount of oil extracted, both from my own observation, and Krunchbubble's measurements. But I'm going to ignore all that, and listen to the negativity troll.
Not!!!!!!
...but does it have electrolytes?
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acridlab
Yeah, I used to believe in the kiss method too, "well I still do in veg", but for bloom, i rocked Lucas for a long time bro,, ran maxibloom for a while too. Yeah, they grow bad ass plants with good bud and good yields..
But, these Buds cannot compete in stickiness, flavor, aroma and overall quality.. I can tell the people that are saying boosters don't work, have never used them, and if they have, they used them wrong..
Well first of all, opinions are a subjective thing and grows vary from one to the next and any number of variables can have an effect in how a plant expresses itself. If you add one different product on a grow which gives better results than the last, obviously you might attribute it to that, so there's the fact that nobody, no scientist no poster on this board, can prove what caused any specific change in one grow to the next. And if two nutrients are being trialed... well, that just throws up a load of other variables based on what was in or missing from the others.
But.. let's just say, for the sake of argument, that it was the bloombastic which had a different effect to the other nutes you used.
Then you've got to ask yourself, what's in bloombastic that isn't in maxibloom or a cheaper alternative?
It can't be the levels of potassium or phosphate, because we can easily replicate those with any other PK booster. And it can't be the purity or quality because, again, you can source the same grade anywhere else.
So you can safely conclude that it's nothing to do with the basic ingredients which make it a PK booster.
So... you've narrowed it down to what it must be - the humic or seaweed.
I'm not going to dismiss the effects of things like humic/fulvic/seaweed as growth stimulants, and if they do give the plant some boost, great, obviously. I use them myself so I hope so.
Do they make as big a difference as some people make out?
I'll be honest and say I don't know. I'd like to think they're doing something for my plants anyway.
What there is no avoiding is that the seaweed they're using, and humic&fulvic if there's any in there, is available for you to buy yourself.
Once you've done that, there is literally nothing else bloombastic can offer you which you don't already have. The difference is, you'll have the bulk ingredients which you'll be able to add to anything you choose to grow.
I hope that helps.
But.. let's just say, for the sake of argument, that it was the bloombastic which had a different effect to the other nutes you used.
Then you've got to ask yourself, what's in bloombastic that isn't in maxibloom or a cheaper alternative?
It can't be the levels of potassium or phosphate, because we can easily replicate those with any other PK booster. And it can't be the purity or quality because, again, you can source the same grade anywhere else.
So you can safely conclude that it's nothing to do with the basic ingredients which make it a PK booster.
So... you've narrowed it down to what it must be - the humic or seaweed.
I'm not going to dismiss the effects of things like humic/fulvic/seaweed as growth stimulants, and if they do give the plant some boost, great, obviously. I use them myself so I hope so.
Do they make as big a difference as some people make out?
I'll be honest and say I don't know. I'd like to think they're doing something for my plants anyway.
What there is no avoiding is that the seaweed they're using, and humic&fulvic if there's any in there, is available for you to buy yourself.
Once you've done that, there is literally nothing else bloombastic can offer you which you don't already have. The difference is, you'll have the bulk ingredients which you'll be able to add to anything you choose to grow.
I hope that helps.
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acridlab
Here's the thing,, all of these companies are not labeling exactly what isin the products, so we cannot do true processes of elimination on them..
Guaranteed analysis is a complete joke..
Guaranteed analysis is a complete joke..
