Basic genetics explained

[mofeta]

Hi Tom

I am fucking pissed!

My dode is unshlarved, and these strawberries are really hard to smoke. The joint keeps going out. I think they are too wet. I will try the e-nail and see if they melt?

They are better than the corn, though. It also was very hard to keep lit, but tasted worse, like shit but with a note of schmeg. No buzz. I even put butter on it. Nothing. Maybe if I ran it through the butane rig? I hear it makes excellent oil.

 

[stix~]

what a bunch of strawberry breeders jajajjajaja biglovetm & a bigpuravida for ya ... these peeps cant comprende breeding ya know jajajajaja hope to c ya soon tom... alls good here, with a dank skunk & daywrecker.D im happy happy happy.. Yeeah buddy!!

 

[Elmer Bud]

we are not sitting around talking about what lines produces heavenly crops,, we are sitting around everyday talking about what clone is best... When this is the case -and it IS- we are strawberry breeders,,, end of lesson..

G`day Tom

There is a big wide world outside the USA ...

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Tom Hill]

no there isn't elmer,, you are irrelevant..

 

[Tom Hill]

sitting around with your thumbs up your ass waiting to see what we do next... like some kind of sick hollywood play..

 

[dannykarey]

G`day Tom

There is a big wide world outside the USA ...

Thanks for sharin

EB .

Tom's reply...........No there isn't Elmer, you are irrelevant..... That was awesome!!!!

 

[bigherb]

TomHill no there isn't elmer,, you are irrelevant.. That was awesome LOL!!!

Thats awesome to you
what that is is REAL SAD

Makes dude look Nutzoo n you sound lame


EB

Dont waste ya breath my brother


Tom Hill

you came back with the same attitude you left with

Must be low on Haze


Lotta negativity on IC lately ,maybe its the heat or new tide of members or maybe the mods are just gettin lazy

 

[Tom Hill]

i am fucking with elmer for the very same reason i fuck with you bigherb,,, you are both irrelevant.. to be swatted at like flies.. a couple of nevil shlarving dode shlurpers who are incapable of discussing the subject at hand..

 

[Tom Hill]

he's a fucking broken record,, you just bla bla bla,,, neither one have a fucking thing to say about what i have said here.. so just stand aside,, you are both in over your heads..

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Tom

Is narcissism an inherited trait ?



Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[harry74]

" My feet are cold," one says, and the legless man replies :

" So are mine.
So are mine."


Kentucky Folklore

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Hello Tom,
When you bought seeds in 95 they were not mine, the varieties were, but I had stopped making and selling seeds for a decade, beginning more then 5 years before that, they were knockoffs. Not that my Skunk#1 or Durban were intersex free, they are both amongst my oldest work from the 70's, my Skunk#1 would make nanners on the very tips of a few buds, at the end of maturation of some grows, but never made seeds.
S African Durban was intersex when I got it and I did the best I could to reduce the incidence to almost zero. Almost.
With Skunk#1 and Durban I should of worked another few years before release to reduce the incidence further, but I did not fully understand the importance 40 years ago.
The real problem is as most of my early varieties are true breeding and are so easy to knock off they were knocked off by every one. But not made as carefully as I select my clones to make seeds, meaning I try to avoid intersex clones, and tested lots of progeny before final selection of clones to be used to make seeds for release.... I knew of no one else doing this so seriously.
I may regret the you are part of the solution or part of the problem statement, but I have to ask do you think you can breed to reduce intersex incidence? Is it a good idea? Is it bad not to? BTW, I could imitate almost any natural or artificial photoperiod with my 1 acre green house with computer controlled darkening.....
Have you ever said anything maybe you regretted later? I am human, you can ask Chimera, he has been here for the last week, we are solving the next Cannabis puzzle the next world Cannabis Crisis, he can update you when he sees you next.....
Not on these boards.
All the best.....
-SamS

and not that it matters it was a joke Sam,,, but both the durbans there in '95 the licorice and sensi,, as well as skunk1 from a number of vendors then,, was all a hermie nightmare here... I chalk it up to intersex traits,, like yield,, are positively correlated to environmental inputs and fall squarely under the realm of quantitative traits... To put it simply,, you do not have the facilities where you are to breed for those traits here where i am,, not simple under glass without direct manipulation of target environment.. anyway,, yes sir,, closer to strawberries than corn,, and so shall it remain.. If you want to attempt it i think it somewhat pushing rocks uphill but that's your call... It's when you tell folks they are part of the problem or the solution is where i begin to take exception,, my friend..

 

[Only Ornamental]

and the fact of the matter is,, they think they are breeding like corn etc,, cannabis is a diploid bla bla bla,, in actuality,,, they are breeding exactly like strawberries,, whether they fucking like to admit it or not..

Tom, your statement troubled me for some time now...

I thought it's about breeding strategies and not about cultivation. The strawberry 'shrubs' we buy are from clones, the corn we sow is obviously from seed; that's propagation, not breeding. This has nothing to do with the way the parent plants (as well for the cuttings as for the seeds) were made. All the different varieties of strawberries are obtained the same way as maize, by crossing A with B and not by making clones. From what I see, most growers outside America still grow from seed and not clone and certainly breed (= cross) with seed varieties and seldom use clone only strains (at least as father plants).
Maybe you meant that most modern (commercial) breeders use proven clones as parents and not seed lines or collected outdoor/feral/indigenous varieties as it was common decades ago? Agreed. But I'm not interested in the strategies the big and mighty seed banks use, I'm interested in what I could do in my little garden. I think I'm not the only one...

So, there's no point in repeatedly stating what cannabis 'breeders' do (i.e. propagating clone only varieties). People reading this thread are likely more interested in how to properly breed/obtain new unique cultivars and hybrids. It may not lead to much success but all the clones we have were once obtained by crossing something with something else; on purpose or by coincidence doesn't really matter. What does is what we could do in theory even if it's an utopia or vain hope in practice.


BTW I don't see why you react so sensitive...
Does it really hurt to be a good example and not using 'fucks' to make a point? (Some) People believe in you and copy you, if you like it or not, you're a fucking legend after all .

" My feet are cold," one says, and the legless man replies: "So are mine. So are mine."
Kentucky Folklore

Somehow it feels good to know that we two aren't the worst . On the other hand...
Hopefully, I find some time in the next days to get back to your question with the twin seed stuff. Wanted to show you something.

 

[KiefSweat]

the one thing i've learned from cannabis breeders is that the only proper way to skin a cat is the way you do it.

The Ad nauseam of the same statement is great, but it doesn't prove any facts except that some people love to read their own typing.

here's the logic most of us read. i grow from clone, strawberries are grown from clones, hack herb bred in a closet is the same as field crops bred by universities.

 

[harry74]

IMO CANNABIS is not a DIOECIOUS plant.


Androdioecious: having male flowers on some plants, bisexual ones on others.[6]
Androecious: having only male flowers (the male of a dioecious population); producing pollen but no seed.[16]
Androgynous: see bisexual.[6]
Androgynomonoecious: having male, female, and bisexual flowers on the same plant, also called trimonoecious.[16]
Andromonoecious: having both bisexual and male flowers on the same plant.[6]
Bisexual: each flower of each individual has both male and female structures, i.e. it combines both sexes in one structure.[6] Flowers of this kind are called perfect, having both stamens and carpels. Other terms used for this condition are androgynous, hermaphroditic, monoclinous and synoecious.
Dichogamous: having sexes developing at different times; producing pollen when the stigmas are not receptive,[6] either protandrous or protogynous. This promotes outcrossing by limiting self-pollination.[17] Some dichogamous plants have bisexual flowers, others have unisexual flowers.
Diclinous: see Unisexual.[6]
Dioecious: having either only male or only female flowers.[6] No individual plant of the population produces both pollen and ovules.[18] (From the Greek for "two households". See also the Wiktionary entry for dioecious.)
Gynodioecious: having hermaphrodite flowers and female flowers on separate plants.[19]
Gynoecious: having only female flowers (the female of a dioecious population); producing seed but not pollen.[citation needed]
Gynomonoecious: having both bisexual and female flowers on the same plant.[6]
Hermaphroditic: see bisexual.[6]
Imperfect: (of flowers) having some parts that are normally present not developed,[20] e.g. lacking stamens. See also Unisexual.
Monoclinous: see bisexual.[6]
Monoecious In the commoner narrow sense of the term, it refers to plants with unisexual flowers which occur on the same individual.[2] In the broad sense of the term, it also includes plants with bisexual flowers.[6] Individuals bearing separate flowers of both sexes at the same time are called simultaneously or synchronously monoecious.[citation needed] Individuals that bear flowers of one sex at one time are called consecutively monoecious.[citation needed] (From the Greek monos "single" + oikia "house". See also the Wiktionary entry for monoecious.)
Perfect: (of flowers) see bisexual.[6]
Polygamodioecious: mostly dioecious, but with either a few flowers of the opposite sex or a few bisexual flowers on the same plant.[2]
Polygamomonoecious: see polygamous.[6] Or, mostly monoecious, but also partly polygamous.[2]
Polygamous: having male, female, and bisexual flowers on the same plant.[6] Also called polygamomonoecious or trimonoecious.[21] Or, with bisexual and at least one of male and female flowers on the same plant.[2]
Protandrous: (of dichogamous plants) having male parts of flowers developed before female parts, e.g. having flowers that function first as male and then change to female or producing pollen before the stigmas of the same plant are receptive.[6] (Protoandrous is also used.)
Protogynous: (of dichogamous plants) having female parts of flowers developed before male parts, e.g. having flowers that function first as female and then change to male or producing pollen after the stigmas of the same plant are receptive.[6]
Subandroecious: having mostly male flowers, with a few female or bisexual flowers.[citation needed]
Subdioecious: having some individuals in otherwise dioecious populations with flowers that are not clearly male or female. The population produces normally male or female plants with unisexual flowers, but some plants may have bisexual flowers, some both male and female flowers, and others some combination thereof, such as female and bisexual flowers. The condition is thought to represent a transition between bisexuality and dioecy.[22][23]
Subgynoecious: having mostly female flowers, with a few male or bisexual flowers.[citation needed]
Synoecious: see bisexual.[6]
Trimonoecious: see polygamous[6] and androgynomonoecious.[16]
Trioecious: see polygamous.[citation needed]
Unisexual: having either functionally male or functionally female flowers.[6] This condition is also called diclinous, incomplete or imperfect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_reproductive_morphology#Flowering_plants

I don´t know if there is a definition where she fits or you need a new one.

 

[harry74]

Have you ever said anything maybe you regretted later? I am human, you can ask Chimera, he has been here for the last week, we are solving the next Cannabis puzzle the next world Cannabis Crisis, he can update you when he sees you next.....


Excusatio non petita
Acusatio manifesta


Alea iacta est

Julius Caesar dixit

 

[Only Ornamental]

Most cannabis populations are regarded as dioecious but because a small amount obviously isn't, the proper term would be subdioecious (again with exceptions). Some hemp cultivars are monoecious or unisexual and others may be even something else... I've seen individuals with 'perfect' flowers but these were sterile else this plants would be polygamodioecious.

 

[oldchuck]

Clearly, Cannabis is not corn but it is not strawberries either. Cannabis is Cannabis and rolls in its own fashion.

To correct a parochial point of view, most American Cannabis is not grown from clones but from seed variously obtained. I do not have access to commercial clones and do not expect to for a long time if ever. Do Afghan peasant farmers grow from clones?

(added thought) I have seriously considered buying some of Mr. Hill's seeds but must reconsider since he considers them worthless.

 

[Only Ornamental]

...
I have seriously considered buying some of Mr. Hill's seeds but must reconsider since he considers them worthless.

I have about the same gut feeling... X-18 and Deep Chunk are still on my bucket list (they come from an era where Tom maybe had an other opinion LoL) but his attitude ATM somewhat waters down the wine. @TomHill No offence or allegation, but it really rises the question if and to what point you still take your own seed making seriously. Also, why do you seemingly still fancy Haze and Skunk, two model varieties for breeding skills, not cloning?

 

[Luther Burbank]

You guys aren't solving anything. You're pondering your belly buttons and playing with yourselves and calling it progress.

If you'd read Tom's posts instead of merely looking for stuff in his posts to support your argument you would get further Ornamental. Breeding is all about progeny testing in cannabis, and searching for that 5% excellence in a cross. No one has the numbers to keep stabilized true breeding lines.