BROAD MITES??? NEED HELP ASAP!!!!

[calikush4life]

noticed this problem a couple weeks ago... treated with avid.. 3day than 4day than 3 day.. total of 10day cycle... used sns209 root drench and azamax spray for defense after the avid.. now here i am with this problem.. i have been looking in 100x scope and there is nothing!!no eggs or bugs... at most i saw one dot that was white on the underside of the leaf.. but looks nothing like a broad mite egg.. even on the most wrinkled parts.. i bought nuke em and used 4oz per gallon.. the other night.. wtf is going on here... i cant figure it out.. dont want to bust out forbid and avid again... but will do whatever it takes.. this is all outdoors.. and this garden is getting affected worse than my other.. its been 100 degrees 3-4 days in a row.. i had figured these symptoms should decrease.. im puzzled right now.. have been feeding with fish emulsion that is 1 year old.. ive completely stopped feeding and used some calmag/dimataeceous earth (however its spelled) and very light watering... can this be nutrient burn?? im scared shitless as these are my girls and were already at july 4th!! only 28-30 days left of veg.. i need some help.. shit is breaking my heart!

 

[lilac.rain]

What region are you growing in? Could be note burn. or excessive over watering. Whats your media? Nukem is rated at 4oz per 30oz, not gallon. That stuff works, but burns my girls slightly, so has avid, but not forbid. BM's like the new growth, if you don't see obviously oval eggs then its not the problem. Get back with a few more specs of what you are doing and maybe we can give you a better answer. Good luck!

 

[calikush4life]

man im in north eastern california.. did not have this problem last year at all... just pulled all my light dep not a single stunted growth on any cola or canoed leaf.. and thats where i got all my cuts for full season.. but im growing in top soil/mushroom compost/manure blend 40/40/20..
i used greensand,shellflour,azomite,fishbonemeal,dolomite as amendments... shit is a killer recipe as i used it last year and in all my indoor and greenhouse this year.. i def took a break on watering.. growth is slow to stunted right now...
i have some other plants and the leaves are not as big as they should be-- as what my friend told me.. he said maybe too much nitrogen..
but they are not doing this deformed garbage..

 

[cannascholar]

i'd do a final spray just to be safe then follow up with neem, nuke em, and maybe essentria. Also look into the product photomag and calcium 25 it should slow down any remaining bugs by making your plant healthier. I'd do some tea as well.

 

[cyat]

Nukem will also kill your plants at full strength

I use 1 oz per gal

 

[Dreambig]

I don't think you have broad mites. You don't need a scope to see them. You'll see little white bite marks on the top of your leaves and when you flip them over you'll see either white/black things moving pretty slowly or sometimes they can be red. But after looking at your pics broad mites don't do that. If your talking about russet mites then they're a whole different beast but you need a scope for them and they'll be on top where you your new growth is and when you scope em they'll look like a bunch of little maggots slowly chomping on your leaves. One sign from them is your leaf edges folding up like a taco shell.
To me it looks like you've burnt your plants by spraying so much stuff on them and giving them those root drenches.
Broad mites aren't that hard to get rid of if you do have em. No need to throw the kitchen sink at em.

 

[furrywall11]

That doesn't look like broad mites to me.... Try letting your girls dry out until they show first signs of droop from lack of water and then water on the light side... do that for four or five days.... Looks like it could be too much water to me. my two cents

 

[calikush4life]

ya thats what im thinking.. i am def on the light watering schedule for now... they are still looking deformed.. i gave a little calmag top dress yesterday.. gonna give little dolomite top dress tomorrow and let relax... some of the new growth is starting to show rust spots on the tips.. almost like nutrient burn but not yellow--rust color.. should i stay off top dressing with anything? or what you guys think.. and the ones im experiencing more problems with went out june 1st so there smaller.. everything i put out may 17th is doing fine, besides the leaves are not growing out all the way, but the plants are growing at the very least.. the smaller ones are lagging a little bit, but are growing, but not like how they should be.. fuuuukkk...

 

[Dreambig]

What kind of soil are you using? What kind of nutes have they received? Is this your first time growing?

 

[calikush4life]

its mushroom compost top soil and manure... 40/40/20.. greensand dolomite fishbone meal shellflour azomite for amendments... def not first time, but first time im seeing this problem.. rocked a nice indoor and greenhouse where is where i got my cuts-- experienced no probs at all.. and nutes flornova veg and 1yr old fish emulsion... and i top dressed with calmag yesterday...

 

[Dreambig]

I add similar amendments to my soil. Why are you using flora nova? And how do you top dress calmag? Isn't it a liquid? Oyster shell flower is full of calcium , doloimite lime has calcium and magnesium, fish bone meal has calcium. You need to simplify your program. With all the calcium rich amendments you added you shouldn't need any calmag. If you need magnesium foliar feed with an espsom salt solution 1/4 teaspoon per gallon of water. But it doesn't look like your lacking mag. If you want to learn a lot check out the organic thread here on icmag and do as much reading as possible.

 

[calikush4life]

ya shell flour is what i top dressed with... i was told that can counter out nitrogen toxicity.. but just going to top dress with dolomite to help straighten out the ph of the soil and let rest... mid day today there looking a little bit better, but still the ones that are bad are still bad and again still showing rust at the very tips..

 

[gekolite]

too much nutes , not enough water

 

[RetroGrow]

I don't think you have broad mites. You don't need a scope to see them. You'll see little white bite marks on the top of your leaves and when you flip them over you'll see either white/black things moving pretty slowly or sometimes they can be red. But after looking at your pics broad mites don't do that. If your talking about russet mites then they're a whole different beast but you need a scope for them and they'll be on top where you your new growth is and when you scope em they'll look like a bunch of little maggots slowly chomping on your leaves. One sign from them is your leaf edges folding up like a taco shell.
To me it looks like you've burnt your plants by spraying so much stuff on them and giving them those root drenches.
Broad mites aren't that hard to get rid of if you do have em. No need to throw the kitchen sink at em.

EVERYTHING IN THIS POST IS WRONG!!!!!
Do not listen to this individual. You cannot see broad mites without a scope. They are smaller than Russet mites. Poster is completely clueless. And they are difficult to get rid of.

 

[Shifty007]

Retro grow is right. Regardless of what they are you said you can't see them. I just had the same issue myself. I had a light case of nute burn and attributed it to that at first with a case of too much water from the rains we have been getting. It looks like you have mites for sure and if you wanna get rid of them you have a month. If you want them gone regardless of whats used there is ways to kill them within a week or so. Plants will begin to look better immediately. I have heard Avid will work but I dunno for sure. PM me and I will send you some pics and info of what I use to knock them out.

 

[calikush4life]

ya ive read a couple messages that sounded quite off, but ya im gonna order some forbid and avid.. i havent been watering as much and looks like the plants are responding to that a little bit, but still the turns in some of the leaves looks weird, again still not seeing any eggs or bugs on any part and using 100x scope.. what about rust at the tips.. how do i send a pm.

 

[RetroGrow]

If there are no eggs under the leaves, you don't have broad mites. You can see them with a 100X scope. No sense treating for something that you don't have. Scope and confirm first.

 

[calikush4life]

ya its crazy i walk out and think its not broad mites, go back later in day than think it is broad mites, but still not seeing the eggs, now on one theres a little leaf that is canoe but not at the top.. ill take some more pics..

 

[calikush4life]

daaam im confused.. no water today no food for a couple days only shell flour.. still havent given dolomite top dress waiting for bags to completely dry out.. but fuk these pics suck

 

[RetroGrow]

No eggs=no broad mites. Broad mites lay eggs underneath the leaves. Cut a couple of affected leaves off the plant, and examine under microscope. If you don't see eggs, it's not BMs. If you see eggs, it is.