The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

[FatherEarth]

Caligabe,

Yea mine came all expanded. It will barely sit flat one the table. My rejuvenate arrived the same but was actually leaking. I have to keep the rejuv refrigerated or it'll swell up. I gotall m stuff from nds way way back . Over a year ago. Oh the pepzyme c had a giant blob that's still growing in it. The bottle steady gets lower and lower without using it...

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Formulations and packaging is being adjusted to deal with expansion issues.

 

[FatherEarth]

Seems like a bacterial or fungal contamination would be the cause of the swelling, as it is greatly slowed by the cold temps. Some of the stuff I got looked like nds packaged it themselves so seems plausible.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

I can't speak on what you purchased over a year ago, from a reseller.

I can tell you with confidence no product blended and bottled by AEA is contaminated. An ingredient in the blending process was contributing to current issues, steps have been taken to rectify the issue.

Alternative packaging is also being explored.

 

[CaliGabe]

Formulations and packaging is being adjusted to deal with expansion issues.

It's about fucking time. My friend was told he was the only one that was having issues and that a few months ago. They better deal with this otherwise the products will never sit on a shelf. First jug of Rejuvenate basically exploded. Here's a pic of what happened from a jug of Sea Stim after we offgassed for 5 minutes then tried to open and this from about 20' away. My friend's wife got a seaweed treatment for her hair and face. After the support I provided opening doors to the inner canna world, which peeps here at IC benefiting from, still getting shit on.

 

[FatherEarth]

Lol I know the products are super tight and I'm def a fan of kempf's. I consider his agriculture talks to be the gospel. You seem more and more like a sales rep all the time, are they paying you?
I'm all for AEA been on it for a while and love it, so don't get me wrong they do make the best stuff available. Thanks for the official what's up, on the packaging.


FE

 

[CaliGabe]

I can tell you with confidence no product blended and bottled by AEA is contaminated. An ingredient in the blending process was contributing to current issues, steps have been taken to rectify the issue.

Best I can figure I'm seeing anaerobic fermentation. No contamination on this end. If you know what the story is, and seems like you're their rep of sorts now, so what's going on? Let's be transparent. Fook this secretive canna product shite.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

My current understanding is that one of the inputs in the blending process, I was not told which, causes the expansion after agitation.

I was told that it was pulled from the blends until the packaging can handle the off gassing or they figure out a way to pack and the liquids that the rigors of shipping will not effect it or find a shipper that is better at handling liquids in plastic as FedEx is the WORST...I sometimes wonder if they're not punting the packages from the loading dock in to the trucks.

The issue with the gas cap style lids is if the product expands and clogs the vent cap, the bottles will have the same issues as the non vented cap.

I have no vested interest in AEA, since linking with them I have been treated like a member of their family and choose to relay the information and experiences I have with the products and company to this forum.

I'm sure there are at least 30 growers using their products reading this thread so I figured it would best serve our group to relay the information here.

A sales rep tries to get you to buy something...what My hopes have be since beginning to contribute to this thread 4 years ago is for people to grow the healthiest most productive medicinal crops they can , to be aware of the best fertilizers available to accomplish this goal , and to support them after they purchased the product based on my recommendation.

A sales rep will tell you why a product works based on their company literature, I tell you how the product works based on my experience using it on my own crops and understanding of chemistry biology and plant physiology

A sales reps salary is determined by how much volume they move I get no payment from AEA or the worm soil factory , or Ferti Organic or from any other company whose products I talk about.

You can not buy my endorsement. It has to work as labeled or better.

The only compensation I receive are the Private , Reputation , and visitor messages from members whose gardens I have helped to improve. That is what makes it worth it.

Through the seasons you can see the progression that has now ended with AEA, when you take a balanced soil and combine it with John Kempf's formulas, the ability to increase essential oil, mono di tri and sesquiterpenes , bioflavonoids , and plant secondary metabolizes is unmatched by any other program I have tried.

Exciting things are on the Horizon

 

[MedResearcher]

Liquid Brix Mix had the same problem. I had a 5 gallon pail of Brix Mix build up so much pressure it busted the top of the lid open. Those plastic 5 gallon pails are pretty tough to, I use a table saw to open them up once they are empty.

Iirc, I think the issue was part of the reason they stopped making the Brix Mix.

Maybe they can separate the ingredients that are reacting and sell it as a 2 part formula. As much as everyone loves a 1 part product, a 2 part product is better than a huge mess.

Mr^^

 

[CaliGabe]

My current understanding is that one of the inputs in the blending process, I was not told which, causes the expansion after agitation.

I was told that it was pulled from the blends until the packaging can handle the off gassing or they figure out a way to pack and the liquids that the rigors of shipping will not effect it or find a shipper that is better at handling liquids in plastic as FedEx is the WORST...I sometimes wonder if they're not punting the packages from the loading dock in to the trucks.

OK so if there's expansion after agitation why do our bottles basically explode after we open and offgas then seal for a bit then open...boom...only to find we have to deal with another bomb? My family lost value in the product purchase when it spewed out...then there's the product liability issues with caps hitting people's eyes. I have pics of unopened bottles that would be challenging to open. You want those bottles?

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Do you shake it before use?

Did you think about the abuse during shipping ?

This is where the problem begins ...on the shipping truck.

Im sorry for your loss of product, if it was my company I would rectify the problem for you.

I have also received damaged product. In that situation I must denied receipt and returned to shipper due to damages and requested a replacement, which was shipped to me overnight at no charge.

Caligabe , are you trying to make AEA's product seem faulty because you're unhappy with your experience with their corporate infrastructure?

How many of the 2000+ farms AEA works with do you think are having these issues and how do you think they handle it?

 

[ponobegone]

dude start an aea thread!! not bangin you or your product, just would like to see this thread back to normal, with less advertising.

 

[ponobegone]

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[milkyjoe]

Those good vibes are kicking ass pono...nicely.

 

[TheRealHash]

I planted these Afghani #1's on June 1st

 

[FatherEarth]

BYF,

I get ya. I feel the same way. The kempf program is end game in my mind, what else is there?
Truly the future of agriculture. Thanks for sharing your experience.

Pono, Nice work.

LOL a good aea foliar would really juice it up though...

 

[FreakyFarmer]

Pono , beautiful companions growing in the garden with all those lovely ladies , all looks healthy and happy!!

 

[FreakyFarmer]

Backyard , thanks for the info you and other experienced growers post , pono you included, most growers we know around us just don't relinquish info and real world experience as you do, a very limited amount of people do as you do in the manner you do, please keep it up, as well as the many that have and do share their knowledge, thanks as well.
Now if I only took what I read from many of you , and applied it I may actually be able to grow some healthy and proper plants.

 

[FreakyFarmer]

Nice plants realhash!!!

 

[milkyjoe]

The future will be real time sap analysis like nova crop control is doing. Plants can tell you exactly what minerals they need by measuring old and new leafs. Foliars can then be adjusted on a weekly basis which allows one to adjust for weather. For example with a mobile element like K if the old leaf has less than the new you know the plant is moving K and needs more.

Exactly how you correct it then becomes a choice