GanjaFarmerNW
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Peat moss soil with perile
Root Aphids in 2500 plant LEGAL Washington Grow
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tryone of these....
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Mix one packet of nematodes with 1 gallon of water. Fill a spray bottle with this mixture and saturate your plant soil with it. The nematodes will find the root aphids for you and kill them from the inside out. Nematodes are safe for use around plants, pets and people.
2
Administer an insecticide with the active ingredient beauveria bassiana. Beauveria bassiana is a fungus that infects and kills root aphids. It will not cause any harm to the plant. Be sure to follow all the instructions on the product label for effectiveness and safety.
3
Spray the plant soil with an organic pyrethrum. This all-natural insecticide is made from dried chrysanthemums. It is a good choice for killing root aphids if the affected plant is a houseplant. This is because it is safe to use around children and pets. Be sure to follow the product label to completely eradicate the root aphids.
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Mix an insecticide with the active ingredient azadirachtin with water based on the product's instruction label. Azadirachtin is organic and works to kill root aphids by preventing them from eating or molting. Eventually, they become paralyzed and die.
1.
Mix one packet of nematodes with 1 gallon of water. Fill a spray bottle with this mixture and saturate your plant soil with it. The nematodes will find the root aphids for you and kill them from the inside out. Nematodes are safe for use around plants, pets and people.
2
Administer an insecticide with the active ingredient beauveria bassiana. Beauveria bassiana is a fungus that infects and kills root aphids. It will not cause any harm to the plant. Be sure to follow all the instructions on the product label for effectiveness and safety.
3
Spray the plant soil with an organic pyrethrum. This all-natural insecticide is made from dried chrysanthemums. It is a good choice for killing root aphids if the affected plant is a houseplant. This is because it is safe to use around children and pets. Be sure to follow the product label to completely eradicate the root aphids.
4
Mix an insecticide with the active ingredient azadirachtin with water based on the product's instruction label. Azadirachtin is organic and works to kill root aphids by preventing them from eating or molting. Eventually, they become paralyzed and die.
SirStynkalot
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No they won't. Swing and a miss. Lady bugs are for aphids not root gnats. Please do some reading before you offer advice to a commercial grower. Do you have any idea how much money he has riding on a right answer to this question? Didn't think so.
I'd say just be careful all the products are allowed by the WSDOA checklist (called "PICOL") and if you're using them make sure you've informed your license inspector and the waste management department you're hooked to. Everyone wants their fingers in the pie and woe betide you if they catch you putting something new in without telling god's grandmother first. I would like to note that OGBIOWAR is NOT an approved pesticide for our uses.
Also, you have to put any and all pesticides you apply to the crop on the product label regardless of when you applied them so keep that in mind. You currently don't have to opt in to a pesticide test when you do your third party testing but if you do opt for one a positive result could cause your whole crop to fail. Keep your eye on that regulation. I'm pretty sure it'll change to require testing for residual pesticides, meaning if I were you I'd be keeping an eye on their half lives when I wrote application schedules.
Can't really offer you more than that except you're rushing to get your crop on the shelves while the getting's good. You're going to have serious trade offs in QA because of it. There's a reason the WSLCB expected everyone to be FULLY BUILT IN before they moved their plants in.
Not sure who your boss lied to or paid off to get around that requirement but he didn't do you any favors and this is exactly why the LCB didn't wanna license anyone who wasn't built in. Worse QA issues up front that the LCB will eventually have to deal with, plus they have to keep checking back on the improvements as you make them. The first 60 ops that got "built in" all did it and it is seriously slowing down the process for the other 2400 pending licenses in the state. Not that I'm bitter about that or anything. No sir.
As far as opinions about control methods and specific pests, are you serious man? Heck, read the product labels. If you still need help and won't listen to Bogey I suggest the indoor outdoor medical marijuana grower's bible by Jorge Cervantes. As in if you're asking about what pesticides you need for root gnats and you're running a Tier 2 facility, drop what you're doing RIGHT NOW and read it cover to cover.
And Yogurtbogey's suggestions were good. Rule of thumb is pick two options and rotate them. You already picked 1 and 4. Azadirachtin is just the active chemical in Neem (aka azadirachta indica).
Just stick with what you're doing and if you apply properly it should take care of the problem. They're going to be very difficult to apply properly on the scale you're working with. I don't envy you.
Better luck next crop.
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fishwhistle
It is hard to beleive that you are running a 2500 plant grow and dont know how to deal with or identify common pests and to say your too far in debt so instead you will put your consumers at risk?WTF is going on in washington state?
GanjaFarmerNW
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Yes, we have every single plant tagged and we scan every additive into the system. There will be no hiding that we have taken strong organic control means.
As of now, what we are planning to do is as follows:
1) neem of some sort (brand to be determined) as a soil drench
2) cycled with use Beauveria bassiana soil drenches
3) intermittent use of pyrethrum foggers
4) buying new soil medium and mixing with DE
since last i posted we have discovered that the bug the spewed out of the dirt in the 4 plants was a red mite (thanks ozza), one of the bugs we have found was an aphid (type still being determined) and the flyers were likely shore flies because I do not see any cornicles on the abdomens, plus their wings look more like a fly than a homopteran.
So we are trying to overcome a multi bug infection on a large scale. Thanks all for your help, and sorry for the situational frustration SirStynkalot.
As of now, what we are planning to do is as follows:
1) neem of some sort (brand to be determined) as a soil drench
2) cycled with use Beauveria bassiana soil drenches
3) intermittent use of pyrethrum foggers
4) buying new soil medium and mixing with DE
since last i posted we have discovered that the bug the spewed out of the dirt in the 4 plants was a red mite (thanks ozza), one of the bugs we have found was an aphid (type still being determined) and the flyers were likely shore flies because I do not see any cornicles on the abdomens, plus their wings look more like a fly than a homopteran.
So we are trying to overcome a multi bug infection on a large scale. Thanks all for your help, and sorry for the situational frustration SirStynkalot.
GanjaFarmerNW
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What you should do is hire on some one who knows what they're doing to manage the facility or expect more problems.
SirStynkalot
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He's going about it the scientific way. He can get by with that until he gains experience, it's just more time consuming. All common pests are catalogued and he has alumni access to the WSU library. It's a good approach to gaining any sort of knowledge and it works for marijuana. Just takes some creativity in your research to get around the "no public research on this specific plant" bit.
As far as putting consumers at risk, he's required to mark whatever he puts on the product and by the time it hits shelves he may be required to test for residual pesticides. Before it even gets there he has to get its use approved by several different bureaucrats, NONE of whom are marijuana friendly.
There is very little risk to consumers as long as he pyrethium bombs before week 5 of flowering. If he's planning on having stuff ready for the July 8th opening date though he might run into problems come testing anyway, which will sort themselves out.
The government acts like we're growing plutonium. That's whats going on in Washington State. I doubt there's much cause for alarm.
And thanks Ganja. I know this licensing business is what it is, but it's frustrating.
As a thank you, let me add one more thing. The earlier drenches that seemed to control the population were just three different brands of Azadirachtin. I'd remove it from your rotation at this point. The fact stopped working means the pests in your room are resistant to it now. I hope you get them out before they build resistances to other stuff too because constant nonlethal exposure breeds superbugs. You'll be totally SOL.
GanjaFarmerNW
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Oh and I suppose you and everyone else here could do it better?
I came to this site looking for conformation. I had a good idea of what I was dealing with to start with, but figured it would be best to gain conformation from my peers. I have done extensive reading from extension programs from michigan to maryland.
I dont know why you guys keep trying to make it sound as if I had no idea what was going on. But thats fine, I would be jealous of my job if I were on your end as well.
GanjaFarmerNW
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Relative to how much experience I have, how many of all you have experience operating a grow on that magnitude that I have been tasked with?
If the plants are distributed in more than one room, you have the option of axing part of the crop & cleaning & starting the next crop early.
If you can harvest the plants with pests without losing quality or damaging your company's reputation.
If the harvest ends up being less than your best, one option is to donate it for a compassionate care program for low-income med. patients.
Just thinking ... if the plants are 2 ounces each, 5000 ounces @ $200 an ounce - $1 Million ?
I understand not wanting to take that size loss on the chin.
I wonder if this situation makes a good case study for grow management. Is it better to have 2 or more flowering rooms so that you have more/ better options when there is a plant pest situation ?
If you can harvest the plants with pests without losing quality or damaging your company's reputation.
If the harvest ends up being less than your best, one option is to donate it for a compassionate care program for low-income med. patients.
Just thinking ... if the plants are 2 ounces each, 5000 ounces @ $200 an ounce - $1 Million ?
I understand not wanting to take that size loss on the chin.
I wonder if this situation makes a good case study for grow management. Is it better to have 2 or more flowering rooms so that you have more/ better options when there is a plant pest situation ?
organic: Hypostasis Miles (predatory soil mite) gets gazillions of them. Ive seen it work on the west coast. But assume you'll not be rid them ever. Just control it as much as possible.
RA flyers will have "vents" protruding from the rear body of the flyer, that is a telltale sign.
should see microscopic RA on the roots feeding.
use lots of Botanicare Aquashield (bacteria) and ZHO and anything you can find to build up the root systems. GH RapidStart is amazing too. Good Luck and GodSpeed!
RA flyers will have "vents" protruding from the rear body of the flyer, that is a telltale sign.
should see microscopic RA on the roots feeding.
use lots of Botanicare Aquashield (bacteria) and ZHO and anything you can find to build up the root systems. GH RapidStart is amazing too. Good Luck and GodSpeed!
I find it strange that you are in a grow that big, and have never dealt with or seen a fungus gnats{C'est la vie}. So if you dont want to use pesticide for gnats get yellow stickies and clean up the adults. If i have a small out break i can usually clean them up in 10 days with yellow stickies. Now a days i use DE in the soil when i am cooking amendments. I never see fungas gnats anymore.pyrethrins work well to for adults...
As far as RA they are not nice and the new bug on the scene the last few years i have watched it spread{online hehe} and finger crossed i never come across them. You have a very big job to do good luck!
As far as RA they are not nice and the new bug on the scene the last few years i have watched it spread{online hehe} and finger crossed i never come across them. You have a very big job to do good luck!
I guarantee you I could.
Please, do a little research before you respond to some one on these forums.
It will prevent you from putting your foot in your mouth in the future.
Best of luck to you in your endeavors.
GanjaFarmerNW
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at what point did i say i have never seen or dealt with fungus gnats?
GanjaFarmerNW
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Maybe you should include on your resume that youre over 1k posts. That should be proof enough that youre more qualified than me.
Your proposed method of action will not solve the RA problem in your grow.
You need to completely shut down and remove EVERYTHING,
Once you are back to zero, what you need to do is clean, clean, clean.
After your grow is Cleaned past OSHA standards purchase new starts.
Treat all your starts with Spirotetramat , trade name KONTOS ,
Enjoy a clean grow.
Who give's a shit about post count? People have 1000s of posts , they can be garbage.
If you read my posts you'll notice that I am not your average grower...
Just look in my gallery.
I manage an acre of garden!!
Your attitude is Ridiculous and I wish the best for you and your investors...
It's amazing to me who they will give a job to in this industry.
You need to completely shut down and remove EVERYTHING,
Once you are back to zero, what you need to do is clean, clean, clean.
After your grow is Cleaned past OSHA standards purchase new starts.
Treat all your starts with Spirotetramat , trade name KONTOS ,
Enjoy a clean grow.
Who give's a shit about post count? People have 1000s of posts , they can be garbage.
If you read my posts you'll notice that I am not your average grower...
Just look in my gallery.
I manage an acre of garden!!
Your attitude is Ridiculous and I wish the best for you and your investors...
It's amazing to me who they will give a job to in this industry.
"So it started as with most, in that we noticed what we thought were fungus gnats flying about the facility"
You don't sound to sure in your first post? I have dealt with fungus gnats and believe me if i seen one or two, i would be 100% sure it was a fungus gnat. Good luck.///
your first post sound like fungus gnats to me when you more the soil it comes alive.... Get them yellow stickies....was there ever a picture?
You don't sound to sure in your first post? I have dealt with fungus gnats and believe me if i seen one or two, i would be 100% sure it was a fungus gnat. Good luck.///
your first post sound like fungus gnats to me when you more the soil it comes alive.... Get them yellow stickies....was there ever a picture?
GanjaFarmerNW
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and as it turns out, they were fungus gnats. Look at the pictures. We were concerned that they may have been winged root aphids. Which they are not.
i don't need to speak for dusty he's very well capable...
but maybe you're familiar with Danimal... Veg N Out... Planty... uh.... had a couple of other handles, too.
See the big plant thread, and maybe realize he's not one of the snarky closet growers who "don't sell weed because thats no right" and you'll see he's on your team, too.
thats said, and i know I will get some flack for this, but you need to go nuclear IN VEG to eradicate. Merit 75wp. Kills them dead. Systemic.... USE IT ONLY IN VEG.
unless BYF suggests something otherwise I am sure he will suggest a more organic approach. he knows his shit.... FYI
good luck
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