Golden Tiger

[orfeas]

2 joints x 96 on 31x54cm, 192 joints on 31x54cm

if they yield a gram, its 96grams on 31x54cm

x 8 on 124x108cm, its 768 gram



i forget that they yield more than a gram in QP96 T
ah and its 33,5x51,5 cm

"Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."

Father, forgive; for we know what we are doing.

Orfeas

 

[scai]

Well, I never said that pests contribute flowering? Cos they have nothing to do with veg and flowering.
WGardener, you hit the nail in the head.Too much is no good.Expecially at the end of flowering.
And no-one has claimed that you shouln't give ANY N, but only modestly.

 

[rüdiger]

ACE MALAWI, phenotyp 'DOMINATOR'

flowering d 16, 11/13

estimated flowering time to full maturity: 100-110 d

light: 100w cdm-t 930, Mastercolour Elite

container volume: 700 ml

medium: recycled organic soil

feeding: full submerge watering with controlled wet/dry cycle

she recieved wormtea for 2 times, and was also foliared with it.

I will start to load her with PK + micros when the first definate floral cluster is etablished and cut out her N to an absolute minimum.

Homebrewer,

show us the same with your high N schedule and a real sativa!



And a big 'PROST' to you all

 

[rüdiger]

I don't think the "natural way" is the best one. In nature, there are also pests, unpredictable environment and other things but you don't stress your plants this way, even though it could make them sturdier. You don't let monkeys piss on your ladies, even though it happens in the jungle. Do you know about any commercially produced crop which is starved of one essential element on purpose?

The obvious thing is that too much nitrogen = leafy plants which take longer to finish. That's true even for tometoes etc. We all know that it's relatively easy to overfert sativa with N. However, I can't imagine how letting plant lose leaves could help anything (doesn't mean it'll make it worse, though).

I think nitrogen deficiency is major problem only in veg, during flower I observed that my grows with lower N seemed to mature few days earlier, dunno about overall weight.

To sum up I'd say it's a matter of preference unless someone proves else. In side-by-side I think plant with a bit of N will do a little better than no N, nothing huge. The only definitely bad thing is TOO MUCH nitrogen. Some is OK imo.

in a sog setup, loosing fan leaves will get you a higher yield, better light penetration and aeration. easymode. auto defoliation.

 

[Homebrewer]

Homebrewer,

show us the same with your high N schedule and a real sativa!

Here's a thai/skunk/haze from Classic seeds. Bigger, stronger :

At 40 days I think?

 

[rüdiger]

hes again showing overfed hybrid

 

[WGardener]

in a sog setup, loosing fan leaves will get you a higher yield, better light penetration and aeration. easymode. auto defoliation.

I actually grow sog and I prefer to prune them myself Besides, how would you fertilize? FloraNova is my preferred nute and since it's 4-8-7, I'd have to switch to something else to experiment.

 

[PurpleBuz]

hes again showing overfed hybrid

shouldn't you reserve judgement until 90 days >?

 

[rüdiger]

I actually grow sog and I prefer to prune them myself Besides, how would you fertilize? FloraNova is my preferred nute and since it's 4-8-7, I'd have to switch to something else to experiment.

A nutrient schedule in a given singlestrain sog setup depends on many factors.
Give me more information and i make you an experimental high PK, N cutout nutrient schedule for yours.

-Total watts and flowering space(type of light)
-how many plants per m², density
-strain info with estimated stretch from certain cutting size when you induce flower
-container size and media/growing style
-type of water source, water analysis

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Home Brewer

You are not comparing the same types of plants .
Thai / SKUNK / Haze has Afghani in the mix .And Kali Mist is a Dutch Sat hybrid . It could well have some Afghani in its lineage too .

Try an O Haze or Thai pure and then you are in the same realms . The stuff you are comparing . Had its parents worked in the USA for many generations before they were introduced to Amsterdam and bred with again .

The plants Rudiger and myself are talking about are much closer to the original strains in traditional ganja growing areas . Not Dutch Hybrids .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[rüdiger]

a last one

2cl, 20ml

zamaldelica day 54

can you show a 10liter bucket(standart dimensions), with a Kalimist bud as thick as the bucket?
my 10 liter bucket measures 31cm in diameter!


rockwool cubes standing on nft tables are not allowed for comparision

 

[orfeas]

a last one

2cl, 20ml

zamaldelica day 54

View Image

can you show a 10liter bucket(standart dimensions), with a Kalimist bud as thick as the bucket?
my 10 liter bucket measures 31cm in diameter!


rockwool cubes standing on nft tables are not allowed for comparision

Oh Ruedy, don't be mischievous!
The pot/bud ratio can't be an arithmetic progression, you know that.

Orfeas

 

[Rinse]

Chlorophyll is for salads, not smoke



These are Indica auto's btw this was a seedrun. Autumn colors at harvest just like in nature.

 

[rüdiger]

Oh Ruedy, don't be mischievous!
The pot/bud ratio can't be an arithmetic progression, you know that.

Orfeas

Excusez-moi

thats true.

but, im not at a maximum with her nor is it homebrewer with his.

you got me again a crazy idea. danke...

 

[vladimiroslav]

A nutrient schedule in a given singlestrain sog setup depends on many factors.
Give me more information and i make you an experimental high PK, N cutout nutrient schedule for yours.

-Total watts and flowering space(type of light)
-how many plants per m², density
-strain info with estimated stretch from certain cutting size when you induce flower
-container size and media/growing style
-type of water source, water analysis

Err, this might not be the right thread bur I'm a voluntary candidate for this if I may apply... I just started 6x Malawi regs (and 6x Caribe regs) and I'd love to have your advice on how to feed them.

1. 370 watts, led panels, Bonsaihero.com

2. 120/120/200 tent. work area: 12 plants on 120cm x 80cm. 3 rows of 4. 100cm height. This can change, but I think its enough once I'll cull the males.

3. Ace malawi (+CBG Caribe)

4. Ercole pot, 5 liters. Sog, soil.
Ferts: Bio Canna (Rhizo, Vega, Flores, Boost) + PK13/14 + Cannazym + Advanced nutrients Sensi calmag + General Hydroponics B Essential + France hydroponique Sugar Crystal.

5. Tapwater, 7.8

 

[rüdiger]

Err, this might not be the right thread bur I'm a voluntary candidate for this if I may apply... I just started 6x Malawi regs (and 6x Caribe regs) and I'd love to have your advice on how to feed them.




1. 370 watts, led panels, Bonsaihero.com

I have never grown any plant under LED lightning, the behaviors could differ from my experiences with HPS/MH and fluoros.


2. 120/120/200 tent. work area: 12 plants on 120cm x 80cm. 3 rows of 4. 100cm height. This can change, but I think its enough once I'll cull the males.

the height is really low. why?
12 plants per m² is not what i call a sog,
are you flowering them from seed?

3. Ace malawi (+CBG Caribe)

i keep this open, clone or seedrun?

4. Ercole pot, 5 liters. Sog, soil.
Ferts: Bio Canna (Rhizo, Vega, Flores, Boost) + PK13/14 + Cannazym + Advanced nutrients Sensi calmag + General Hydroponics B Essential + France hydroponique Sugar Crystal.

The 5 liter pot is problematic when you have height restrictions.
5 liter is a 'bit' too much for a single budlet expression and a sativa in your setup.
Maybe its better to scrog them if you are in plant count things...
Need soil composition and npk mg/l ?
type of irrigation?


5. Tapwater, 7.8

ec? hardness? cal/mag?

the questioning was meant for a given setup where all info is available and that has been run for a time with clone only, sorry!

you can make a report and i try to help you.
but straight flower from such a container needs no nutrients/or very little when the soil is of good quality.

and as said i have no clue what an led setup changes in plant growth and nutritional behaviors. and it does change something for sure

 

[vladimiroslav]

Thanx for the informations... I'll answer you precisely when Im back from work. Well I will post this in my thread instead so you can make comments when you feel like it and I dont hijack this particular thread.

 

[Homebrewer]

G`day Home Brewer

You are not comparing the same types of plants .
Thai / SKUNK / Haze has Afghani in the mix .And Kali Mist is a Dutch Sat hybrid . It could well have some Afghani in its lineage too .

Try an O Haze or Thai pure and then you are in the same realms . The stuff you are comparing . Had its parents worked in the USA for many generations before they were introduced to Amsterdam and bred with again .

The plants Rudiger and myself are talking about are much closer to the original strains in traditional ganja growing areas . Not Dutch Hybrids .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

The degree of 'sativa-ness' makes no difference, the ideal elemental balance remains the same across the board. If you've never harvested a healthy plant then you have no idea what you're missing.

 

[rüdiger]

Homebrewer,

when plants are grown and bred in different environment, they will build different elemental preferences over time.

a pure thai has not the same ideal elemental balance in her nutrition needs than an afghani hashplant bred over decades in NL under artificial light.

i even take it so far to say that any existing strain or cross of our beloved plant has a differing ideal in every new environment it is grown.

it is called adaption.

is this so hard to understand?

 

[Homebrewer]

Homebrewer,

when plants are grown and bred in different environment, they will build different elemental preferences over time.

a pure thai has not the same ideal elemental balance in her nutrition needs than an afghani hashplant bred over decades in NL under artificial light.

i even take it so far to say that any existing strain or cross of our beloved plant has a differing ideal in every new environment it is grown.

it is called adaption.

is this so hard to understand?

You can choose to believe whatever you'd like but yellow, leafless plants clearly have issues and obviously haven't 'adapted' to what you think your plants need.