my understanding was you are allowed a max of 2 LP's per patient, and an LP is only allowed to ship 150g/month per patient.. so patient in theory can get 300/mo, but a single LP can only provide 150/mo. but i could be wrong. But thats how the regs read to me last year.. and from a patient carry standpoint, its 150g/max
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my understanding was you are allowed a max of 2 LP's per patient, and an LP is only allowed to ship 150g/month per patient.. so patient in theory can get 300/mo, but a single LP can only provide 150/mo. but i could be wrong. But thats how the regs read to me last year.. and from a patient carry standpoint, its 150g/max
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Seems to me this topic was not addressed yet in this post. No one has posted a Dr or Skype. Who is the most affordable and how do we reach them? that is the info we need.
most are in the 350(re-file) or 500 for a new patient....
15 minutes on skype and your done...worth it for the MMAR...but now....I'd rather just get my GP to sign off now that it is has been "simplified".
15 minutes on skype and your done...worth it for the MMAR...but now....I'd rather just get my GP to sign off now that it is has been "simplified".
aint shit free in life ,
Get used to it ,
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Get used to it ,
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leaffan
Member
Not in many provinces...The Colleges of Physicians and Surgeons are creating a nightmare for doctors to sign. Not to mention the CMA's position.
This could be a major headache for many patients.
Don't assume it's going to be a walk in the park going to your GP and asking him or her to sign.
I really hope that everyone has an open minded GP that is willing to stand up for your rights..
clp
Member
My GP was happy to refer me to the skype dr, prepared a nice package as to what my issue is, etc. etc... Made it very easy for the Dr. in BC.
That was a few yrs ago.....now that the rules have changed he has become more open-minded. I think the Dr. Gupta special has helped.
There was also a Dr. locally that would do it pro-bono for disablility patients, cancer patients, etc.... Sadly he passed away a few months ago...
leaffan
Member
I was at a medical marijuana seminar for neurology last month.
It was so discouraging. Seeing and hearing the ignorance.
They mocked Dr. Gupta. I wanted to walk out of there I was so pissed off.
I'm glad you have a good GP. My GP and the team of doctors at the pain clinic are awesome too.
I have been trying with great frustration to help change the attitude within the medical community in Canada.
It was so discouraging. Seeing and hearing the ignorance.
They mocked Dr. Gupta. I wanted to walk out of there I was so pissed off.
I'm glad you have a good GP. My GP and the team of doctors at the pain clinic are awesome too.
I have been trying with great frustration to help change the attitude within the medical community in Canada.
my buddy has bad MS, although still somewhat mobile. easily would fit into category 1 under the old MMAR. his specialist/doctor refuses to sign, but will give him THC pills, which dont work, no problem. and any other pill/injections/IVs under the sun. he has been trying for 2 years to get a licence. its really sad to see. Hopefully he can find someone to sign him under the new system. the worst part is, although he can still walk, kinda, his mobility is very limited.. so doctor appointments are quite the challenge.. buying blackmarket even harder.
leaffan, glad to see you are trying to change the perception out there. watching people suffer, is just horrible. especially non mobile ones that cant get out on the street easily to buy blackmarket. which is their only option if they cant get signed.
My GP is pretty good I will admit....the pain management specialist on the other hand....yikes....He said MJ is useless for pain...But had no issue recommending opiates, injections into my spine and all sorts of other fun stuff.....
ugh, those spine injections. my buddy with arthritis had those 3-4x/week for a year or so. fucked him up pretty bad. then he tried topicals.. which worked better for him. his doctor/specialist refused to sign as well, although admitting it works. Doctor had agreed to something within a group in his medical speciality to refuse to sign anything cannabis related. its all politics. so buddy dropped the 400$ and used a skype one (back in mmar days). topicals worked great for him, hes never smoked a day in his life, and he's prolly pushing 65 yrs old, getting high isnt an option. cant wait till the high cbd strains are available widely, maybe they will be more effective/quicker.
leaffan
Member
MS Society really likes to push Sativex, but has a problem with marijuana, go figure eh?
My son started with the spinal blocks, very little effect, did them for a year.
Ketamine infusions were next, every other month, some relief.
Switching from hydromorphone to low dose methadone plus medical marijuana has really helped.
He just finished a 3 week trial with a Spinal Cord Stimulater implant, worked great (50%reduction in pain), hope to be approved for permanent SCS.
My kids doctors are great, open minded, always wanting to have feedback.
My son started with the spinal blocks, very little effect, did them for a year.
Ketamine infusions were next, every other month, some relief.
Switching from hydromorphone to low dose methadone plus medical marijuana has really helped.
He just finished a 3 week trial with a Spinal Cord Stimulater implant, worked great (50%reduction in pain), hope to be approved for permanent SCS.
My kids doctors are great, open minded, always wanting to have feedback.
When did the everything change???!!
I was under the impression that no matter what your prescription amount, all that you could be given was a maximum of 150g a month and a client could only belong to one LP at a time, NOT two.
As far as I know...
MMPR regulations...
-A patient can receive 30 times there daily limit in one month or 150 gram per month, which ever is the lesser amount.
-A patient can belong to one LP at a time.
-If a patient wishes to change to another LP, the patient must submit new paper work to the new LP with a doctors or nurse practitioner's signature, the new LP will inform the old LP of the patient transfer, the old LP will destroy the all existing paper work of the transferred patient in there files.
So...A patient has a prescription for say 10g per day.
-They are allowed 310 grams a month, in a 31 day month by there doctor.
-LP is only allowed to ship 150 grams per month to any one client as per the MMPR regulations.
-Client receives 150 grams per month from his/her LP and "No More"(Its regulated by HC...Maximum 150 grams per client...Period!).
You can have a limit of 500 grams a month or 1000 grams per month, it is the same regulation of 150 grams per month, per patient. The LP is not allowed(via MMPR regulations) to ship more than 150 grams per month to one given patient, under threat of loosing there license.
If this has change...Please!...Where do I find the amended regulation of more than one LP and more than 150 gram monthly limits.
Peace...B
leaffan
Member
The LP cannot ship more than 30 x the daily dosage (not to exceed 150g) per shipment, not per month. It's always been that way. The regs haven't changed on this. I don't know why so many people think all they can get is 150g/month. You can only posses 150g at any time, and the most an LP can ship is 150g per shipment.
So....if your script is for 20g / day, 30 day month, if you wanted your full meds for the month you would have to have 4 150g shipments from the LP in one month.
It's in the regulations, always has been.
The multiple LP is new. A concession from HC because of LPs running out of stock, recalls, etc...So what you can do now is say you have a 6g/day script, you can have 3 2g/day scripts so you can deal with 3 LPs not just one.
This information will be provided from HC if you were to inquire, I do not believe they have officially changed the regulations on this issue.
Here is some cut and pastes from HC regs...
Possession limit
5. An individual who obtains dried marihuana for their own medical purposes or for those of another individual for whom they are responsible must not possess a quantity of dried marihuana that exceeds the least of the following amounts:
(a) in the case of dried marihuana obtained from a licensed producer, 30 times the daily quantity referred to in paragraph 129(1)(d);
(b) in the case of dried marihuana obtained from a hospital by or for an out-patient, 30 times the daily quantity referred to in subparagraph 65.2(c)(iii) of the Narcotic Control Regulations; and
(c) 150 g.
Processing an Order
Marginal note:Order required
121. (1) A licensed producer must not sell or provide dried marihuana to a client or an individual responsible for the client unless the producer has first received, from the client or the individual, a written order in accordance with subsection (2) or a verbal order recorded in accordance with subsection (3).
Marginal note:Written orders
(2) A written order for dried marihuana must
(a) be dated as of the day on which it is made;
(b) set out
(i) the given name, surname and date of birth of the client for whom the order is made,
(ii) the given name and surname of the individual making the order,
(iii) the shipping address specified in the client’s registration document, and
(iv) the client’s unique identifier; and
(c) set out the quantity and the brand name of the dried marihuana being ordered.
Marginal note:Verbal orders
(3) A licensed producer who receives a verbal order must, before filling the order, make a record of the information referred to in section 137.
Marginal note:Shipping
122. In filling an order referred to in section 121, a licensed producer must not transfer physical possession of the dried marihuana to the client or to an individual responsible for that client other than by shipping it to that person.
Marginal note:Refusal
123. (1) A licensed producer must refuse to fill an order referred to in section 121 if
(a) the order does not meet the requirements of section 121;
(b) any of the information that is referred to in subparagraph 121(2)(b)(i) or (iii) does not correspond to the information set out in the client’s registration document in accordance with clause 111(2)(a)(ii)(A) or (C);
(c) the client’s unique identifier referred to in subparagraph 121(2)(b)(iv) is not correct;
(d) the client’s registration has expired or been cancelled;
(e) the order specifies a quantity of dried marihuana that exceeds 150 g; (per order or shipment not per month)
(f) the order has been previously filled in whole or in part; or
(g) more than 30 days have elapsed since the date referred to in paragraph 121(2)(a) or 137(a).
Marginal note:Notice of refusal to fill order
Thirty-day limit
124. (1) A licensed producer must not sell or provide to a client or an individual responsible for the client in any 30-day period a total quantity of dried marihuana that exceeds 30 times the daily quantity referred to in paragraph 129(1)(d).
129. (1) A medical document provided by a health care practitioner to a person who is under their professional treatment must indicate
(a) the practitioner’s given name, surname, profession, business address and telephone number, facsimile number and email address, if applicable, the province in which the practitioner is authorized to practise their profession and the number assigned by the province to that authorization;
(b) the person’s given name, surname and date of birth;
(c) the address of the location at which the person consulted with the practitioner;
(d) the daily quantity of dried marihuana to be used by the person, expressed in grams; and
(e) the period of use.
So....if your script is for 20g / day, 30 day month, if you wanted your full meds for the month you would have to have 4 150g shipments from the LP in one month.
It's in the regulations, always has been.
The multiple LP is new. A concession from HC because of LPs running out of stock, recalls, etc...So what you can do now is say you have a 6g/day script, you can have 3 2g/day scripts so you can deal with 3 LPs not just one.
This information will be provided from HC if you were to inquire, I do not believe they have officially changed the regulations on this issue.
Here is some cut and pastes from HC regs...
Possession limit
5. An individual who obtains dried marihuana for their own medical purposes or for those of another individual for whom they are responsible must not possess a quantity of dried marihuana that exceeds the least of the following amounts:
(a) in the case of dried marihuana obtained from a licensed producer, 30 times the daily quantity referred to in paragraph 129(1)(d);
(b) in the case of dried marihuana obtained from a hospital by or for an out-patient, 30 times the daily quantity referred to in subparagraph 65.2(c)(iii) of the Narcotic Control Regulations; and
(c) 150 g.
Processing an Order
Marginal note:Order required
121. (1) A licensed producer must not sell or provide dried marihuana to a client or an individual responsible for the client unless the producer has first received, from the client or the individual, a written order in accordance with subsection (2) or a verbal order recorded in accordance with subsection (3).
Marginal note:Written orders
(2) A written order for dried marihuana must
(a) be dated as of the day on which it is made;
(b) set out
(i) the given name, surname and date of birth of the client for whom the order is made,
(ii) the given name and surname of the individual making the order,
(iii) the shipping address specified in the client’s registration document, and
(iv) the client’s unique identifier; and
(c) set out the quantity and the brand name of the dried marihuana being ordered.
Marginal note:Verbal orders
(3) A licensed producer who receives a verbal order must, before filling the order, make a record of the information referred to in section 137.
Marginal note:Shipping
122. In filling an order referred to in section 121, a licensed producer must not transfer physical possession of the dried marihuana to the client or to an individual responsible for that client other than by shipping it to that person.
Marginal note:Refusal
123. (1) A licensed producer must refuse to fill an order referred to in section 121 if
(a) the order does not meet the requirements of section 121;
(b) any of the information that is referred to in subparagraph 121(2)(b)(i) or (iii) does not correspond to the information set out in the client’s registration document in accordance with clause 111(2)(a)(ii)(A) or (C);
(c) the client’s unique identifier referred to in subparagraph 121(2)(b)(iv) is not correct;
(d) the client’s registration has expired or been cancelled;
(e) the order specifies a quantity of dried marihuana that exceeds 150 g; (per order or shipment not per month)
(f) the order has been previously filled in whole or in part; or
(g) more than 30 days have elapsed since the date referred to in paragraph 121(2)(a) or 137(a).
Marginal note:Notice of refusal to fill order
Thirty-day limit
124. (1) A licensed producer must not sell or provide to a client or an individual responsible for the client in any 30-day period a total quantity of dried marihuana that exceeds 30 times the daily quantity referred to in paragraph 129(1)(d).
129. (1) A medical document provided by a health care practitioner to a person who is under their professional treatment must indicate
(a) the practitioner’s given name, surname, profession, business address and telephone number, facsimile number and email address, if applicable, the province in which the practitioner is authorized to practise their profession and the number assigned by the province to that authorization;
(b) the person’s given name, surname and date of birth;
(c) the address of the location at which the person consulted with the practitioner;
(d) the daily quantity of dried marihuana to be used by the person, expressed in grams; and
(e) the period of use.
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i swear when i looked into this 6+ months ago, debating on becoming a LP. it was 2 LP per patient. 150grams per month per LP. maybe things have changed. I haven't had time to check. but i can guarantee that was the regs at one point as i understood them. maybe last august or something. very possible its changed.. dont know. but just my 2 cents.
leaffan
Member
It's always been 150g max per shipment.
It's the way they worded the damn thing that caused so much confusion.
So the max you can get as a patient is...150g/day ( if you get a doctor to write that) for a monthly total of 4,500 grams (one 150g shipment every day based on a 30 day month).
Been this way from day one, hasn't changed.
If you think about it...if it was limited to 5g/day Conroy would have already won. There is a lot of patients that need / use more than 5g/day. No way HC would limit it to 5g/d and have the courts kill the program.
It's always been one LP per patient until recently. Change was made because LPs ran out of stock, product recalls, not hitting production and shipping dates etc...
Again HC had to bend here or they would get slaughtered in court.
I believe they haven't made an "official" written change to the regs because it makes them look bad. If you contact HC they will acknowledge that you can have your doctor split your script on multiple documents so you can buy from multiple LPs.
It's the way they worded the damn thing that caused so much confusion.
So the max you can get as a patient is...150g/day ( if you get a doctor to write that) for a monthly total of 4,500 grams (one 150g shipment every day based on a 30 day month).
Been this way from day one, hasn't changed.
If you think about it...if it was limited to 5g/day Conroy would have already won. There is a lot of patients that need / use more than 5g/day. No way HC would limit it to 5g/d and have the courts kill the program.
It's always been one LP per patient until recently. Change was made because LPs ran out of stock, product recalls, not hitting production and shipping dates etc...
Again HC had to bend here or they would get slaughtered in court.
I believe they haven't made an "official" written change to the regs because it makes them look bad. If you contact HC they will acknowledge that you can have your doctor split your script on multiple documents so you can buy from multiple LPs.
The Main reasons for Conroy's case is no more than 150 grams per month and the cost of the Medical MJ. It makes a person have to choose between there heath and there liberty.
I will check, but I'm almost sure of this.
If you could post the actual regulations that you are stating(copy/paste), that would be extremely helpful.
Peace...B
