The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

[CaliGabe]

If it was a rental and I didn't know if I would be going back I would do,100 gal smarties and shoot for 3 per,

I'd also do 4 plants in the pot.

Good reminder regarding amount of plants in a pot. I'm at 7,000' and gonna go in a bit late in 100 gallon Wonder Pots...cause I get them for free lol. Peeps here have been happy with full terms at 3 lbs not in a greenhouse. I can get away with throwing more plants in the pot and bury them so looks like 1 plant if inspection ever happens...which I doubt.

 

[StanKDanK]

quoting this post again because we are ordering our soil on monday and i'm still trying to decide on a final mix. We copied Boobs' mix of equal parts (1/3) lava rock, peat, and compost

The soil place doesn't have diestel compost for another 2 weeks, so I am trying to decide between another compost that is chicken manure and rice hulls, or EWC which is probably more expensive. What should we go with?

also i cut the amendments from boobs' mix in half because we dont' have time to let the soil cook. Good idea? The only amendment they don't have is neem meal, so we either have to do without, or buy it ourselves and bring it to the soil mixing place. is it worth it to get the neem meal?

if somebody could answer these questions i would really appreciate it. thanks !


cheers..


hey shcrews I would add steamed bone meal 0-20-0 (also high in Calcium) or some high phos bat guano 0-8-1 with that recipe because im not seeing any good source of phos in the boobs mix.
Are you able to find mushroom compost near you ? I get my mushroom compost @ $35/yard and i mix it in the top layer. Mushroom compost has chicken manure, gypsum and gives you decent amounts of nitrogen and loads of beneficial bacteria. Feather meal 12-0-0 is another cheap option for Nitrogen. Most importantly I would definately add earthworm castings.

 

[milkyjoe]

You all know I like to play around with foliar sprays , one mix I'm really liking right now is

4 grams Ferti Nitro Plant Plus N
Kelp
1 gram Epsom Salt
3.5 gram Ferti-Humate Fulvic Acid
2 gram Albion Calcium with Boron
1 fl oz Pepzyme
1/2 tsp Yucca

per gallon:


sea shield 1 ounce
pht-p 3 ounce
photomag 1 ounce
pht ca 1 ounce
micropak 1/2 ounce
sea stim 1/2 ounce
micro 5000 1/4 tsp
pepzyme 1/4 tsp
albion Ca 1 tsp

drove photosynthesis so hard it ate the food out of a 5 gallon pot in one month. Plants are two feet taller than I want them

I am starting to think photosynthesis is the only limit on how big we can grow a plant. Since they never pollinate I don't think there is a genetic limit.

 

[FatherEarth]

per gallon:


sea shield 1 ounce
pht-p 3 ounce
photomag 1 ounce
pht ca 1 ounce
micropak 1/2 ounce
sea stim 1/2 ounce
micro 5000 1/4 tsp
pepzyme 1/4 tsp
albion Ca 1 tsp

drove photosynthesis so hard it ate the food out of a 5 gallon pot in one month. Plants are two feet taller than I want them

I am starting to think photosynthesis is the only limit on how big we can grow a plant. Since they never pollinate I don't think there is a genetic limit.

Thats whats up !!!!^^^^^^^

Nice formula, I bet thats going to blow the doors off the soil battery Im sitting on..
Thanks for sharing,


Respect,

FE

 

[Luther Burbank]

Milky, I'm not familiar with most of those - apologies for twenty questions. I found some pages associated with PHT-CA and PHT-P but can't seem to find where you'd purchase them online or what they contain. The only thing I'm seeing for sea shield is a yacht anti-mildew spray. Is the Pepzyme the Pepzyme G?I feel like an old man unable to google!

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Sea Shield is crab hydrolysate , Advancing Eco Ag

Pepzyme C

PHT Calcium is very small micron calcium carbonate ...VERY small..talking nano...
PHT Phos is rock phosphate , again Nano sized..

You can get them all by calling up AEA...

How about this root diameter....Ready to go BOOM

 

[HorseMouth]

It's all down below.

8 Gal. Pot.

Cutting taken on Jan 1st. New Moon. transplanted 4 times to prevent root bound.

In the ground as of 5/11.

Peace

 

[milkyjoe]

Yep. Advancing eco ag. I think grow better food.com. ask for gary reding.

Roots flat go off the charts. Some of it is tainio stuff but aea sells it

 

[milkyjoe]

Yep. Advancing eco ag. I think grow better food.com. ask for gary reding.

Roots flat go off the charts. Some of it is tainio stuff but aea sells it

Edit...yea pepzyme clear, spectrum and micro 5000...tainio. damn little goes a long way

 

[Luther Burbank]

The calcium and larger amounts of boron seem to be the only thing I'm not foliar spraying. BioAG's TM-7 provides the traces for me. I'm a fresh barley seed sort od guy for enzymes but wouldn't mind giving some other stuff a try when money permits.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Horsemouth , what I posted was a 7 gallon pot...cuttings taken on 4/14 , transplanted in to 7 gals on 5/1 ... Out of them after 18 days.

Milkyjoe - Your assessment is also what I am experiencing ... They get bigger much quicker than with out , granted everything else needs to be dialed first...

 

[Luther Burbank]

Wondering if I can't make the crab hydrolysate myself...

 

[HorseMouth]

Well grown Backyard Farmer, When I take clones it takes me 14 days to get roots. For you to go from taking a cutting on April 14th to a full 7 gal. pot of roots after 34 days is blowing my mind.

How tall was that plant? Mine was 5 feet tall from the Collar.

Hurrah for the Big Plant Thread. I love you guys.

Peace

 

[milkyjoe]

Wondering if I can't make the crab hydrolysate myself...

You can amend your soil with it. It just won't be available as fast because of particle size.

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

So how come you guys dont let the roots grow into the ground?
I see you have something under the pots so the roots cant break through it and the moles or gophers cant nest in your rootball, I get that, but wouldnt you double the size of the plants if they grew in the smartpots and then had the room to grow deep into the ground?

Im trying it out this year with 14 plants in 30gln camo growbags over 3'deep x 5'diameter holes with used and new FFOF soil in it, mixed with chunky perlite.
Im using the bags for a raised bed so the rabbits dont eat at them while young.
I think the plant will be more stable this way too, in a guerilla spot.
Im hoping the roots will fill the bag on the way to the bottom and then dig deep and wide when the roots hit the ground.
Whats your take on this? Is it better straight into the ground or is this a good idea? I would like 2lb plants.

 

[Luther Burbank]

You can amend your soil with it. It just won't be available as fast because of particle size.

Crab shell meal is a constituent of my amendments, but I've never seen it in liquid form.

 

[milkyjoe]

I don't know for a fact but my guess is it is a wet ball mill process. Designed to reduce particle size

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Well grown Backyard Farmer, When I take clones it takes me 14 days to get roots. For you to go from taking a cutting on April 14th to a full 7 gal. pot of roots after 34 days is blowing my mind.

How tall was that plant? Mine was 5 feet tall from the Collar.

Hurrah for the Big Plant Thread. I love you guys.

Peace

Big up horsemouth ! Big respect !

The plant was 2' tall. Grown from below.

 

[Aeroguerilla]

Best of luck to all my big plant brothers and sisters bless us all with bountiful harvests!

 

[Luther Burbank]

I underestimated the speed of rooting. Thought I'd have another week or two in the 2gal. containers but roots were showing, so into the ground they went! Plants are only on their 5th node, but I'm hedging my bets on non-rootbound plants this year.