Revival of the Ultimate Sativa Thread

[RandyCalifornia]

Zamabindi = Warlock x (Zamal B x Warlock) x Masibindi (Zamal A x Warlock)

This is definitely the Zamal A phenotypic expression: bushy, tight internodes,
quick branching, and mostly Sativa.....

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Hey Madjag, Is small and tight a Zamal trait? My favorite plant, the ZamalThaiXHaze#11 is a very tight bush expression. I thought it was a TomHill Haze thing.

 

[bboybungus]

That pic was at chop at 56 days, could've gone longer, but 95% of the seeds were done, I pollinated it with an ACE Seeds Vietnam Black x Thai. Smelled like UK Cheese and was super dense. Grown under a combo of HPS, T5 and a 7-band LED. Luckily, I had two packs of the Sensi Seeds Mexican, the second pack gave me a male to pollinate some of my Red Headed Stranger F2's and Ken Estes Purple Dream.

 

[Madjag]

Hey Madjag, Is small and tight a Zamal trait? My favorite plant, the ZamalThaiXHaze#11 is a very tight bush expression. I thought it was a TomHill Haze thing.
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Zamal, being a tropical strain that probably has an African and/or India background, is tight internode-wise but not branch-wise.

Zamal A has the branchy, octopus-like structure, covered with 100's of budding sites....like a big, gangly tree/bush.

Zamal B has a more traditional Christmas tree shape with cola-tipped branches.


Zamal A - photo from la Reunion Island, home of Zamal

Gerrit Slot's discussion on Zamal:

Gerrit on Zamal and Warlock:

Peace,
Madjag

 

[wallywombat]

great info there mad jag thanks mate

 

[jayjayfrank]

one of my zamaldelica x johnny blaze keepers has the complete 'octopus' pheno expression with the most lemon-pepper smell and taste i have ever experienced, more so than actual lemons and/or black pepper(and im in culinary school!)

was not planning on keeping it but glad i did now that iv read what garret has written about it.

water hash made from this line came out to an amber-red(not blonde) but was not as melty as id like, trying fresh frozen this time around. still some 6 weeks out from harvest.

i needed something that would survive the heat of my grow tent in the summer time and the zamaldelica x johnny blaze cross so far has preformed as my 'ultimate sativa' for me

thanks madjag for posting the info. hat tip to garret dubi and gyspsy(and red) for the genetics.

 

[Johnnyseed]

Ive sat here and read about 40 percent of this thread and skimmed. In my ten years of growing, ive leatned more here
About the sativa strain than ANYWHERE ELSE. People like Motaco, Titoon and Herbalistic really know there stuff. I use forums all the time but THIS beats the biz.

 

[bushweed]

Thai x Mullum Haze - sweet musk and mandarin -

Mullum Madness x Thai'78, sweet musk and orange aromas, another one - pineapple and pepper...

 

[bigherb]

bushweed

Great its been done id love too see the results (Thai 78 x NH )

I know you are great at giving a detailed somke report if possible please do soo

Your laos thai is very very remninescent of nevilles haze IMO ,while a small observation . The structure of flowers is very reminescent of my expericence

The quotes below ring a bell in my head of repetitive mention of the available sources of haze being thai influenced .Well things are simpler than they appear an history sometimes explains itself

Well Bigherb, I wouldn't swear on a kilo of Haze Hash, that he told me that he grew them himself.
I seem to remember one batch had a number of years mixed together something like '66,'67,'68. A prominent ancestor was a thing called "Burning Bush". If Sam didn't grow burning bush then the person that did will be able to tell us more.
Everything useful was from before 1970. The one plant that came up from '70 batch, Omega, was at best 25% haze and didn't make the grade.
N

I didn't say the bag was labeled burning bush. Sam said something about burning bush being an ancestor of the Haze. If Sam is Knowsitall4sure then he didn't smoke Haze til '71.
If that's true, what would he know about seeds made by somebody else 2 years before he had even smoked the variety?
N

Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman / Overgrow
Burning Bush was a pure Original Haze, on the Thai side with very thin buds that looked like shit, except they were covered in resin, an Oz would make a ziplock all sticky as hell inside. It was very very strong. Also hard to roll a jay because it was so sticky and did not burn so great, even though dryed and cured perfect. Just to much resin.

IMO things are simpler than they seem

Thankyou for sharing you thoughts knowledge an experience you are amazing attribute to this site . Thankyou for your contributions


BTW Let me stir the pot with some NH outdoors in NYC once again ,Results to follow

Much respect

1luvbigherb

 

[bushweed]

Always a pleasure bigherb. Yes I can see what you're saying and definitely agree on some similarities there. Particularly interesting what Sam described about the stickiness of the Burning Bush and the very thin buds that looked like shit. The Laos Border Thai has the stickiest buds I've come across, and they look average at best, just long clumps of sticky calyxes.

Wish Sam would release His Thunk minus the skunk, ya know?

If you look closely you might see a seed there, that's from some Colombian Mangobiche pollen. I'm excited because the Colombian (unlike the Thai) has an incredible structure that produces xmas tree branches of long fat colas, and the smoke is strong and longlasting. It's very reminiscent of haze to me, in structure and high, but definitely on the tropical fruit side of the spectrum. Anyway the combination of Colombian and Thai has some prior history of success, but the hybrid vigor should be something extraordinary.

This plant had a 20+ week Thai mother with wispy flowers. Only 6-8 weeks into flower here...didn't take much to pollen chuck the wispyness out (actually didn't take anything)...

Let me know if you want to stir that NH pot again with some Thai78 in it. Pretty sure the flowering times won't be too different. Thing is, I won't get a chance to grow them for a long time with all the nuevo old school strains flying around.

 

[charlie garcia]

must be outstanding cross to grow there amigo Mangobiche buds in Colombia use to have such a nice size if compared to other sativa samples. Remember sampling when I turned my head around, my brain made it few seconds later
Thx for the great show
New life starting, promises for autumm, mexicana Michoacan, Chihuahua and Oaxaca together
best
kaiki

 

[Tom Hill]

a very tight bush expression. I thought it was a TomHill Haze thing.

Hey fuck u lady its great to see you amigo..

 

[JACKBAYBEH]

Kick ass pics as always BushWeed! Keep them coming. That Thai x Mullum Haze is a giant.

 

[recent guest]

Haze cut coming along nicely in the greenhouse. I just had the pleasure of smoking a bit of hash from this vanilla scented individual this afternoon. If this is similar to what some of you folks were smoking in the 60's and 70's, I don't know what all this crap about 'weed getting stronger' is about. Powerful stuff! Her mature flowers have a very light golden blonde color to them, she is at least a 24 week phenotype with some parts of the plant needing a bit more than that.

Panama Red cut

Destroyer x Malawi (Frost Monster)

Haze, Frost Monster, and GD-72, all roughly my height at this point

 

[RandyCalifornia]

What The

What The

BushWeed, Your pictures are motivating me to work real hard and save my pennies for a ticket down unda to smoke some of that fine herb, looks like you got too much to deal with.

Hey fuck u lady its great to see you amigo..

Hey Man! Good to see you back! Smoke any killer weed lately? Lets hear some stories.

 

[Jhhnn]

Haze cut coming along nicely in the greenhouse. I just had the pleasure of smoking a bit of hash from this vanilla scented individual this afternoon. If this is similar to what some of you folks were smoking in the 60's and 70's, I don't know what all this crap about 'weed getting stronger' is about. Powerful stuff! Her mature flowers have a very light golden blonde color to them, she is at least a 24 week phenotype with some parts of the plant needing a bit more than that.

I don't think today's best is much if any stronger than the best of 40 years ago, but the average has improved enormously. I smoked a lot of it back then, had connections most stoners would have died for.

The other thing that's improved is flowering time. Trying to grow Colombian seeds outdoors in CO 40 years ago was an exercise in futility. That was true of most Mexican seeds, as well.

 

[tjo]

104 days malawi

and my purple pheno..tiny buds tiny yielder with great smell

 

[stihgnobevoli]

cross i made from

father (Circa94)

mother (Goldilocks)

offspring (Goldy94a)

offspring (Goldy94b)

my own "cross" goldy94.

 

[paulo73]

Hello sativa lovers.
I got a question and all info/comments/experiences are most welcome.
It´s all about minimizing male nanas on late flowering sativas.
I know about the light penetration issues, over watering and over ferts but even with these factors dealt with, most of my sativas keep throwing the odd nana after the 10th week of flowering. Any suggestions?
I have plenty of head room, 2K of lights and i grow on dirt with the less possible nutes/additives.
Couple of shots to make things prettier
GoldenTiger#1 entering week 12

On this specific girl, the one with male nanas&pistil on the fan leaves, now the male nanas ten to show up on the inner parts of the side buds making it very hard to detect.
I´m a bit gutted with all the free feminized seeds that i´ll have to pick out from my buds.

 

[burningfire]

you would be surprised how quickly some of these plants get chemically burnt by over fert. I can see some tip burn on the 2nd picture. what kind of ferts are you using? how hard is your water?
Sativas have slower metabolism so instead of seeing a reaction quickly it might take much longer for you to see the effects of a mishap.
Things are already set in motion and you should just go on with your grow and enjoy the fruits of your labor. It still looks great.

 

[paulo73]

I´ve gave them rain water for the first 4 weeks (i´ve added a 21gr Healthy Start tab to the soil) , and a light nutes solution of CannaBioFlores for the the next 2weeks and since then only plain water was given.
Thanks for the input.