greenhouses in canada

[diffusing]

There has been a lot of talk recently of the trend towards greenhouse use for legal grows. does anyone have more information on how this would work in canada given the cold climate in winter and heating costs? How well, if at all do the blackout type things work to allow flowering year round? does anyone have experience? Pangea mentioned HC wouldnt approve certain types, i think basic poly, but what about the other types?

any thoughts would be appreciated.. cant really get my head around it in this climate.. but seems worth looking into for sure

thx

 

[Buddha1]

I live in BC's lower mainland at the east end of the Fraser Valley(just outside Chilliwack). As I drive into Vancouver, no matter where you look, along the way are huge Greenhouses that grow vegetables and flowers. Can't be that big a deal to grow in a greenhouse if they are doing it, and for products that sell for a buck or two a pound...

Peace...B

 

[RubeGoldberg]

At the moment Health Canada is requiring them to be indoors. However if/when greenhouses legally can produce, those grows will have the best competitive advantage.

Heating costs are nominal, the Hot Houses in the Fraser Valley all use a sawmill byproduct known as Hog Fuel for heating. It used to be so cheap that you were only paying for the truck to deliver it.

 

[Dr. Buddington]

Greenhouse is considered indoors. There are certain requirements as to the side wall hight, vents, etc.
Out here, on the windy prairies the greenhouses usually shut down for a couple month during the winter. A lot of money to heat them...

 

[tomjonesthe3rd]

There are already a few producers using greenhouses, like Aphria.

 

[Buddha1]

Greenhouse is considered indoors. There are certain requirements as to the side wall hight, vents, etc.
Out here, on the windy prairies the greenhouses usually shut down for a couple month during the winter. A lot of money to heat them...

At the moment Health Canada is requiring them to be indoors. However if/when greenhouses legally can produce, those grows will have the best competitive advantage.

Heating costs are nominal, the Hot Houses in the Fraser Valley all use a sawmill byproduct known as Hog Fuel for heating. It used to be so cheap that you were only paying for the truck to deliver it.

If a Commercial Producer was to start using Greenhouses...It would be to there advantage to put the GH in the mildest climate available in the country. I can't speak for the East Coast, but here in Southern BC, it is really mild(below zero a couple weeks in Jan./Feb.). Personally I would go to Vancouver Island, better climate than the mainland, and harder to get away after a robbery with Ferries in stead of roads.

Greenhouse is considered indoors. There are certain requirements as to the side wall hight, vents, etc.

I have been asking that question for years...Are Greenhouses considered inside and could a inside MMAR license grow in a GH legally?...and I have never gotten a clear cut answer. Could you expand on those requirements? I would love to grow inside a Greenhouse off the back of my shop, with 6-8 foot enforced walls, with the only access through the locked shop for security reasons.

Peace...B

 

[diffusing]

If a Commercial Producer was to start using Greenhouses...It would be to there advantage to put the GH in the mildest climate available in the country. I can't speak for the East Coast, but here in Southern BC, it is really mild(below zero a couple weeks in Jan./Feb.). Personally I would go to Vancouver Island, better climate than the mainland, and harder to get away after a robbery with Ferries in stead of roads.



I have been asking that question for years...Are Greenhouses considered inside and could a inside MMAR license grow in a GH legally?...and I have never gotten a clear cut answer. Could you expand on those requirements? I would love to grow inside a Greenhouse off the back of my shop, with 6-8 foot enforced walls, with the only access through the locked shop for security reasons.

Peace...B

dont know about mmar, but mmpr HC says this (http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/marihuana/info/faq-eng.php)
Can a production site be located outdoors or in a greenhouse?

Production sites can only be located indoors. You can cultivate in a greenhouse if it meets the requirements of the new Marihuana for Medical Purposes Regulations, including for physical security.

don't know if they even know what that means. my recollection of the mmpr stuff is the storage is where the high security is required.. could be basic alarms and security/logging on door access is enough. but i do recall pangea saying HC wouldnt accept certain types of greenhouses, i just dont recall what type. for the mmar, if you read the mmpr regs closely, it appears they consider greenhouses as indoor, asssuming security is met. getting useful info out of HC at this point on mmar may be problematic though.

 

[sourpuss]

Grow site must not b where you live or anyone else. You must own the property, as no one is gonna rent u a place to grow in. So if you own your shop and its separate from your dwelling u can prob b permitted, just need to jump through some more hoops...

 

[Dr. Buddington]

Are Greenhouses considered inside and could a inside MMAR license grow in a GH legally?...and I have never gotten a clear cut answer. Could you expand on those requirements? I would love to grow inside a Greenhouse off the back of my shop, with 6-8 foot enforced walls, with the only access through the locked shop for security reasons.

If its an attached greenhouse, with access through the building I'd say it qualifies as inside. Not like anyone will come to argue with you anyways.

 

[Canada]

build or buy a solarium on the side of your building .

 

[growshopfrank]

I have been asking that question for years...Are Greenhouses considered inside and could a inside MMAR license grow in a GH legally?...and I have never gotten a clear cut answer. Could you expand on those requirements? I would love to grow inside a Greenhouse off the back of my shop, with 6-8 foot enforced walls, with the only access through the locked shop for security reasons.

Peace...B

got a quote from HC during the old program that if the structure had a foundation the grow would be considered indoor

 

[Pangea]

For the MMAR what I have heard indirectly was that a permanent foundation was required, like gsfrank just confirmed!. My stance is that if you have to walk through a door into a sheltered area you are "indoors". Good luck trying to prove other wise.

For the MMPR its all about being able to follow the regs for security. If you can supply a security plan that is sound and build it to such standards then they will approve it.

As for the OP's original line of questioning surrounding the logistics aside from regulatory burdens.

The difference between a greenhouse and a warehouse is if the roof allows a usable amount of sunlight in or not. One is also solely designed specifically to cultivate plants.

Having to use and pay for external or supplemental lighting, heating, cooling is not ideal. Any costs that can be avoided will serve to lessen the price and increase the availability and access to more people.

Tomjones, thats for the heads up on Aphria, I haven't checked them out yet.
Big red flag, they are pulling a MediJean and showing off insect damaged plants for some reason....
http://www.aphria.com/AboutContent/How We Grow/4

 

[mazar_man]

There are multiple big commercial greenhouses in Ontario that have been licensed under the old system already for a couple of years. They are allowable under new system as well but you have to be able to control the smell which is pretty much impossible to do with most greenhouses as they have roof vents that need to be open alot of the time.

 

[Pangea]

Yep, odor containment and filtration is a huge part of the security requirements, 100% mechanical ventilation is a bitch and bullshit.

 

[vapor]

got a quote from HC during the old program that if the structure had a foundation the grow would be considered indoor

my next door neighbor was busted by rcmp this past fall and he had a concrete footing around his big greenhouse, Rcmp cutt all his plants and said that it was not a permanent structure as per HC rules for indoor cultivation. What HC tells folks and what is real is somewhere in between, then there is dick cops with lies and "discretion". Of course they are fighting the crown/rcmp in court......

 

[vapor]

For the MMAR what I have heard indirectly was that a permanent foundation was required, like gsfrank just confirmed!. My stance is that if you have to walk through a door into a sheltered area you are "indoors". Good luck trying to prove other wise.

For the MMPR its all about being able to follow the regs for security. If you can supply a security plan that is sound and build it to such standards then they will approve it.

As for the OP's original line of questioning surrounding the logistics aside from regulatory burdens.

The difference between a greenhouse and a warehouse is if the roof allows a usable amount of sunlight in or not. One is also solely designed specifically to cultivate plants.

Having to use and pay for external or supplemental lighting, heating, cooling is not ideal. Any costs that can be avoided will serve to lessen the price and increase the availability and access to more people.

Tomjones, thats for the heads up on Aphria, I haven't checked them out yet.
Big red flag, they are pulling a MediJean and showing off insect damaged plants for some reason....
http://www.aphria.com/AboutContent/How We Grow/4

might be soap residue ..... hard to tell from the picture but soap from foliars some times look similar to thrip damage, seems kinda late to have a spray on a flowering plant that far along...

 

[Buds Bundy]

might be soap residue ..... hard to tell from the picture but soap from foliars some times look similar to thrip damage, seems kinda late to have a spray on a flowering plant that far along...

Yah looks more like soap or defender residue.

 

[SeedsOfFreedom]

might be soap residue ..... hard to tell from the picture but soap from foliars some times look similar to thrip damage, seems kinda late to have a spray on a flowering plant that far along...

Looks like thrips to me! Could have some soap on there too. Why would they post that picture? I guess sadly, the people that actually buy the product might not know better?
Just further evidence that growing your own is the only way to know 100% that herbs are healthy, and contamination free!

 

[Buddha1]

Big red flag, they are pulling a MediJean and showing off insect damaged plants for some reason....
http://www.aphria.com/AboutContent/How We Grow/4

I don't think its "Bug" damage, looks more like a residue...its kinda lifting of the plant in places. My guess, without seeing it up close, is its "Milk" residue not Insecticide Soup, Defender or Bug-B-Gone, they leave a sheen/shine on the plant surface. But, a lite spay of 10% milk and water is a good way to change the PH surface of the plant. This can be used to kill "Powdery Mildew" or as a "Preventive Maintenance" to keep PM away. Its a good clean way to deal with PM as a preventative measure, and can be used days before harvesting if there's a PM problem. The milk residue will not harm you, but the Powdery Mildew will, if PM is found, all the product should be turned into "Hash Oil" to make it safe to use.

I would have to say...In this case, since the flowers are so advanced it is being used to kill existing PM. I wouldn't and I don't think any experienced grower would spray anything on the plants in the last 2-3 weeks either, unless its absolutely necessary. Since the residue looks quite heavy, I would have to say it had been sprayed within the last 7 to 10 days before the picture was taken and was a necessary use. If these plants are contaminated with PM, they should be destroyed, since only "Bud" is permitted for sale from the LP's.

Why would they post that picture? I guess sadly, the people that actually buy the product might not know better?
Just further evidence that growing your own is the only way to know 100% that herbs are healthy, and contamination free!

I would have to agree 100%...Growing your own is the only way to know exactly what is or is not being done to the medicine and this is a great example of that.

But...I disagree on why the picture was used.

Its very possible that the clients wouldn't know its bad Marijuana if they seen this picture, as most people have never grown even 1 plant. I would have to say the picture was most likely used because the employees(probably the owner as well) are not experienced growers themselves and don't know any better. Qualified growers cost top dollar, and I would imagine LP's are like most employers, asking for top dollar experience for the most minimum of wages.

Peace...B

PS. Thank you to all for your response to the Greenhouse built off the shop idea...I think I'm going to do it. IMO...Its a inside space too!

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

bah milk works terribly, and then you smell rancid milk