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Mustafunk

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BC Highland Thai is for sure the same as RSC Highland Thai/Burmese. The first source of the strain is the same, seeds were collected by Sativafiend, an expatriate grower living in Thailand that used to stock RSC and colaborate with Breeder's Choice, Bodhi, Chomba, Snowcap and othersl, they all used to gather at the Breed Bay, where the original threads by Sativafiend with the info and pictures from the strains still can be found. It was a nice highland strain from Chiang Mai area, I've read great reports and a friend had them and crossed them to Flo male. I'm also pretty sure that the BC Hmong Tribe is the same strain as the old RSC Highland Lao and same source as well. Probably all came from those initial seed batches. Info from the HT/Burmese by Sativafiend:

Highland Thai/Burmese Hilltribe

Lineage:

Highland Thai X Highland Thai

Parental Information:

A landrace pure sativa, Grown by the Lahu hilltribe in northern Thailand and Burmese border areaThis tribe are from Tibet originally,they migrated through China and Burma over a three hundred years ago.Seeds are always collected from same source,a pure breeding strain grown for over 100 years in the mountain village they are collected from on Thai side of the border,one farmer crosses male to famale using many different plants and distributes the seeds to others.Grows at 2000 metres,and producing two crops a year.This is the same landrace type as used bye DJ short for his blueberry and flo crosses.I have never seen any herm traits in this line,even plants that are stressed and re-vegged for three seasons has not shown any herm traits.A great breeding tool,rooted cuttings can be flowered strait away a will produce a managable sized pure sativa at just under a meter tall,flowering photoperiod is best at 11 hours 30 mins for quicker bud set.These seeds are from 19.5 latitude.

HT/Burmese original pics and used later by RSC's website as well:

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Some quotes from Sativafiend:

im living in north west thailand,about 100k from burmese border,i have large amount of landrace seeds.these include seeds from loas,thailand and burma.i have done some crooses with skunk#1 to create some nice sativa f1 hybrids.im now looking for excotic sativas to work with.The daylenth here never exceeds 13 and half hours dropping to 12 around december.the genetics here varie so much,they go from 15 foot tall large leafed dark green monsters ,to small delicate light green plants with many branches and a very sweet citrus taste.the loa genes are like old school thai strains(not been crossed)i think many thai plants have been crossed to increase yield. i have some burmese seed that grows very tall,with large leaves,this plant takes on purple pink hues when flowering,its very fast growing and cultivated by the burmese/thai border hilltribes for many years.

HHF to him, Nov 2007:

Your Thai looks like it holds a lot of the older genepool from the region, so you got my attention and i will be dropping you a PM. Peace and thanks for showing them.

Bests, hhf

Aparently he was also doing some crosses for Breeder's Choice too:

Hi bayers,finely the seeds are ready from the Golden Lao crosses,its been a long wait.I will be sending in Lao x Nl#5 Bcsc and Lao x TOK(Afghani IBL) so you guys will have two F.1 hybrids to play with in your gardens.Also have some Lao x pablos F.2 col pheno beans i may send as freebies.Im looking forward to seeing these sativa-indica hybrids in your gardens and they will produce something very special and new for the community.Sativafiend

the pic in avater is a loas sative x skunk#1. i have grown pure skunk here for three generations,its now totally purple when mature,this i think has developed due to cold night and high alltitude.will post a pic later

This got me surprised because his avatar is in fact one of the HT pictures from above and from his HT albums. I really hope it was just a mistake with he pics and the seeds distributed were pure indeed.

Anyway, later he moved from Myanmar/Thailand border to Northern Lao:

Hi fellow growers,i have been off the boards for a while due to travel and relocation.I have settled with my family in Northern Lao near the Thai border,iv got stunning views and lots of nice pure sativa buds to smoke again.I will be sending some new stuff to the bay in the near future,and happy to see the Highland Myanmar(Thai) has been used in many crosses by fellow members.Anyway now im settled i will be working on some crosses to make them better suited to the indoor growroom.Thanks for the NL#5 bodhi,i will be poppin them soon,hope they give me some nice hybrids.Sativafiend

Anyway, both HT and Lao were distributed by RSC a long ago. Nowadays, the last Mekong and Mango Thai and Red Thai were all sourced in the Isaan area, around the Khorat Plateau, North East Thailand. So in my opinion, more like lowland style thai strains. Pretty different genetics to the Burmese/Highland Thais from the mountains at the North West.

RSC no longer offered any other Highland Thais, but lowlands from Isaan and some other interesting strains from Lao (Highland Lao, Golden Triangle Akka and Viet-Lao) and the Mekong. Problem is that as RSC works with local farmers or contributors, so once their stocks end (it quickly does), strains are gone forever unless growers make any reproductions.

This year for the first time, RSC is going to sell some Lebanese seeds reproduced out of their origin. A spanish grower contributed reproducing a few hundred Lebanese seeds to be re-stocked at the moment.



Laos from the same source (pics also used later by RSC):

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Hope it helps,
Vibes.
 
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Koondense

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Thanx for the site info, Hmong.
I will grab the chance to ask you guys what kind of soil is good to start in some Thai beans and later transplant outdoors?
I have Thai and Brasil crossed with ruderalis and I don't want to risk with regular potting soil with lots of N and damage them.

Thanx for any reply.
 

ThaiBliss

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MustaFunk,

Thanks so much for that great and informative post. As an old Thai consumer from the 1970s, it is heartbreaking to hear about the likelihood of crosses made to increase yield. This is not the first time I've heard this, but it still hurts. I once had some Thai seeds, huge and gray, that I let go never thinking that they may not be available again. I've lost many great strains, but those Thai are at the top of my list of regrets. I had grown those Thai successfully, but they took too long to ripen. Ha! What an idiot I can be sometimes. It is interesting that Sativafiend thinks that those Lao Thai might be old school and pure.

"the loa genes are like old school thai strains(not been crossed)"

B.T.W., preserving great genetics is never pointless in my opinion. You never know when seed is going to disappear.

Regretful Old Fart,

ThaiBliss
 
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Elmer Bud

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G`day MustaFunk

Very informative post .
Appreciate you takin the time .

@ Bushie
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There`s those trichs on the leaves I was gettin uppity about ! lol .

Thanks for sharin

EB .
 
T

Terps

Cheers for that info MustaFunk, im leaving koh chang today heading back to northeast. I wanted to compare highland to lowland so i brought some herb from nakhon phanom with me which is the same as can be found in laos.

Both are potent but the laos is more intense and racy and can leave me feeling abit burnt out if i smoke alot where as the koh chang is clearer and a more aware. Both come in bricks but when i opened them out you can see the difference. Koh chang is more leafy and dark where the laos is more golden and better looking imo.

Both bricks only had one seed each which i'll be throwing down on my return to see how they compare but im going to laos in a couple weeks to try grab a load of seeds anyway. If i get time ill try get some pics of a friends plantation in sukhotai, his wifes brother apparently has worked the line for a few years and is free from hermies and grow about chest height with devastating potency! :biggrin:

 

Rinse

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Cheers for that info MustaFunk, im leaving koh chang today heading back to northeast. I wanted to compare highland to lowland so i brought some herb from nakhon phanom with me which is the same as can be found in laos.

Both are potent but the laos is more intense and racy and can leave me feeling abit burnt out if i smoke alot where as the koh chang is clearer and a more aware. Both come in bricks but when i opened them out you can see the difference. Koh chang is more leafy and dark where the laos is more golden and better looking imo.

Both bricks only had one seed each which i'll be throwing down on my return to see how they compare but im going to laos in a couple weeks to try grab a load of seeds anyway. If i get time ill try get some pics of a friends plantation in sukhotai, his wifes brother apparently has worked the line for a few years and is free from hermies and grow about chest height with devastating potency! :biggrin:

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Good stuff mate, Recently scored this in U.K, no idea if its Thai or what but I thought it looked similar. I planted a few seeds out of curiosity. Anyway it has a nice high, a little disorienting at first but settles into a calm glow, allows you to concentrate on tasks without zoning out, smells kind of spicey herby but mild in both smell and taste. Good vibes.

 

Thule

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I had a feeling mustafunk might have the answer, thanks amigu! :good:

Here's a thread on the Lao, looks to be a pale, bright green classic sativa variety in contrast to the darker mekong types.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=231895

The commercial strains in northern Thailand seem more robust and darker colored than these Laotians, sometimes even with purple stems and red pistils. I too hope (and believe) this isn't the result of Pakistani indicas introduced to Thailand in the 80s but natural variation in the area. The proximity to China and the migrations of farming Sino Tibetan and Tai populations from the north make it hard to distinguish real indica influence from East Asian "pseudo indica" traits.

I always assumed Luang Prabang Lao and Golden Lao to be essentially the same strain (like they're treated in the thread as well) but if golden Lao comes from the border of Thailand and Laos that can't be the case as Luang Prabang borders Vietnam, not Thailand.

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Terps

@Rinse that looks a lot like what i got in koh chang your description on the high sounds spot on too, the Thai guy i was talking to told me police seized a couple hundred kilos destined for the UK not so long ago coming out of koh chang so who knows..

@Thule this this batch of lao wasn't grown in NP it come over the border, im told most of what can be found in isaan actually comes from laos and i found this to be the case myself. From laos it comes through various borders such as Nong Khai, Mukdahan and Nakhon Phanom.

:ying:
 

Thule

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I read through the thread but there's no mention of Golden Lao, so it's just my stoned mind that thought they're the same strain as they look so similar. I'll be keeping an eye on that Hmong.

The thai I really want to get my hands on is the mango thai. Let's just hope RSC has new stock of that at some point.
 

ThaiBliss

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Hmong,

Wicked good looking! Looking forward to the posts of the progress. I'm attempting a nearly pure Thai indoors also. Just starting:

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ThaiBliss
 

Hmong

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Wicked good looking! Looking forward to the posts of the progress. I'm attempting a nearly pure Thai indoors also. Just starting:
thx bro

glad to see some one else joining the quest.

what exact strain are you running?

mine grows very very slow. I vegged them for about 2 months and now flowering 3 weeks under 400W MH and look at the size, the plant is not more than 1m so far^^
I would really recommend to use a MH light for such sativas, the internode spacing is pretty short with it.

good luck
 

FOE20

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Thule not sure if a Haze will suit you as well but for a mango/cheesy kinda Haze I recommend old sogs ssh cut....its fab!

Hmong do you flower in those containers as well?...power to your grow man...they look ready to go!.....oh...nm....your on day 21....heheh,...looks bout right tho...3wks and hardly budset...shes gana run a while indeed..

Thais are a trip indeed....its great to see ppl working them out!....Ive got a couple secerts for them myself and you cats that under stand formulas this might make some impact on how your Thais form as they grow thru many many weeks of flowering...
1 main reason Thai never stops growing is it holds N....
My solution was a Low feed of a 1-4-5 type formula idea is staying very Low on N after any budset takes place...Budset on Thai is a timer to show you how long the phenom may run, ie: budset at 4wks, Plant finishes around 10-12+wks...
budset at 6wks plant runs into the 12-16wks..
when budset is so slow it looks like it wont dev well, we give it no wondow...we just let it slowly flower....which in our longest run as said was 32wks..The plant tho was very mercial when completed..although the yield was insane for a indoor thai...
We ran ours anywhere from 16-32wks pending expressions...the VietBlack went 32wks..Low fed aprox 200-400ppm Max on a Huge massive plant that had least 12 arms and looked like a octopus when done..
On some phenoms they dont even want or need any N after 5wks so Lucas (0-4-5)on heavy P dial works well to..power to it fellas and keep um rollin
FOE20
 

ThaiPhoon

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Nice looking Thai's.

Luang Prabang (City) IS NOT on the border with Vietnam... It's closer to Burma, but it is in the heart of LAOS...

Starting some Koh Chang sativas soon here!
 

Hmong

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Hmong do you flower in those containers as well?...power to your grow man...they look ready to go!.....oh...nm....your on day 21....heheh,...looks bout right tho...3wks and hardly budset...shes gana run a while indeed

yes i will finish them in this containers.
i only feed them probiotic, with teas and in DIY soil.

respect man for growing them in hydro.
i tried mine in coco once but they rejected it.
like you said, they store lots of N.
when i fed with a low ppm, they were lacking other makro nurtients and had a overall limegreen. when i raised ppm, they quickly got claws but still lacked other makros. especially K
in soil, they are very dark without any fertilizer other than compost teas.

about the flowerig time. Imho this onset of budding is very fast for such a geotype. they should take at least 16 weeks to mature, I calculated 18, but it doesn't matter they have all time they need.
I let this plant mature to reflowers before switched to 12/12. vegging over 2 months.
I guess if you switch too early the onset may be delayed for ~2 additional weeks, so causing the "long" flowering times and more stretch.

cheerz
 

ThaiBliss

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thx bro

glad to see some one else joining the quest.

what exact strain are you running?

mine grows very very slow. I vegged them for about 2 months and now flowering 3 weeks under 400W MH and look at the size, the plant is not more than 1m so far^^
I would really recommend to use a MH light for such sativas, the internode spacing is pretty short with it.

good luck

Hi Hmong and fellow Thai enthusiasts,

My seedling is 50% Gypsy Nirvana Thai Stick crossed with Neville's Haze x Mullumbimby Madness. Haze has Thai in it, and MM is at the very least predominately Thai, I believe.

I grow with a 50/50% wattage mix of metal halide and high pressure sodium. I also use low nitrogen fertilized in general.

Love all the interest in Thais.

ThaiBliss
 
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