D's gone hunting.........

[silver hawaiian]

I'm not going to kick a dead horse, especially when he's not here to defend himself... So I'll just kick you. ha ha... j/k

I agreed with you about the leaf... But if you can get the buds to swell up then the leaves pretty much get swallowed up by bud and are passed on to the consumer. Also I could never get the thca% past 20ish, and the smell isn't very strong. If you want to grow some big fat colas of ok weed, then she's great, assuming she's not acting like a bitch with her Ca sensitivities.

Headband and Death Star have both treated me better as far as overall quality goes. Both test into the mid 20%'s, smell is much stronger, and overall vigor is better than with straw dd. I just haven't grown any gallon sized death star colas... yet.

As for the temperature thing... I don't necessarily agree that 78-82 is the ideal temp range for all plants for the whole flower period, though I know it works well with most plants. In nature, the photoperiod decreases as the seasons progress, and temps drop. These environmental factors trigger the expression of certain genes, which ones I'm not certain of, but the point is that it happens, and if you don't observe these things and recreate them in your own controlled environment, you may or may not see those genes being expressed. Personally I've had better quality keeping my temps below 80F later in flower. I'll let the temps run a little warmer during stretch, but then in late bloom I start dropping the temps as close to 75F as possible.

In regards to my space heater during lights off... I haven't been using one because I haven't created something to block the light they put off. I've been thinking about adding fans to exchange air during lights off to help control humidity and temps. I think it would be beneficial to fully exchange the room air especially using a propane burner. I'll be doing quite a few updates to my room after this harvest. After all, it is my first sealed room and I'm only on my 3rd grow in that room.

I'll leave you with some pics...

The first time I grew straw dd, with cold lights off temps in an attic.
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straw dd with normal warm temps and a good flush.
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Anyway, I'm sure you can see where I'm coming from. Just cause I didn't get the same colors doesn't mean it didn't happen for you... I respect your decisions and yeah that chemmy jones looks nice,

Photoperiod increases homeslice

(just wanted to show I'm reading and paying attention)

Can put my head back on the desk now and go back to sleep?

Edit: Time for fun with semantics!

 

[Mister_D]

I'm not going to kick a dead horse, especially when he's not here to defend himself... So I'll just kick you. ha ha... j/k

Kick away brother You know I love a good debate!

I agreed with you about the leaf... But if you can get the buds to swell up then the leaves pretty much get swallowed up by bud and are passed on to the consumer. Also I could never get the thca% past 20ish, and the smell isn't very strong. If you want to grow some big fat colas of ok weed, then she's great, assuming she's not acting like a bitch with her Ca sensitivities.

Ya see it's comments like this that have kept her sitting around in the veg room unflowered for what, a year? Lol I intend to get at least one solid run of her before I make any permanent decisions, but I have zero interest in growing subpar weed. I do want to grow some gallon sized colas though

Headband and Death Star have both treated me better as far as overall quality goes. Both test into the mid 20%'s, smell is much stronger, and overall vigor is better than with straw dd. I just haven't grown any gallon sized death star colas... yet.

As for the temperature thing... I don't necessarily agree that 78-82 is the ideal temp range for all plants for the whole flower period, though I know it works well with most plants. In nature, the photoperiod decreases as the seasons progress, and temps drop. These environmental factors trigger the expression of certain genes, which ones I'm not certain of, but the point is that it happens, and if you don't observe these things and recreate them in your own controlled environment, you may or may not see those genes being expressed. Personally I've had better quality keeping my temps below 80F later in flower. I'll let the temps run a little warmer during stretch, but then in late bloom I start dropping the temps as close to 75F as possible.

You have also been running unsealed rooms. It is necessary/beneficial to up the temps a bit in a sealed environment to take advantage of the additional co2 (300ppm unsealed vs. 1200-1500 on average sealed). That is really whole other discussion though. I agree that mimicking the perfect outdoor environment has the ability to trigger genes causing certain characteristics to be shown, or not. Specific to the colder temps towards the end of flower, I have tested that. I noticed for most plants going down to 68-70 deg F during lights out caused purpling of the leaves, and usually a slight visual increase in resin production. It also caused a noticeable loss of yield over the same clones grown in the same conditions with a constant night/day temp. The added resin glands did add a bit of bag appeal, but subjectively made no difference in potency (I didn't have any lab tested).

In regards to my space heater during lights off... I haven't been using one because I haven't created something to block the light they put off. I've been thinking about adding fans to exchange air during lights off to help control humidity and temps. I think it would be beneficial to fully exchange the room air especially using a propane burner. I'll be doing quite a few updates to my room after this harvest. After all, it is my first sealed room and I'm only on my 3rd grow in that room.

Three words.... Oil filled radiator . Get you one of those space heaters that looks like an old school house radiator, bout 50 bucks at wally world or any home improvement store. No light, and much more energy efficient than what you've got.

Anyway, I'm sure you can see where I'm coming from. Just cause I didn't get the same colors doesn't mean it didn't happen for you... I respect your decisions and yeah that chemmy jones looks nice,

It's all good bro, I'll learn ya one of these days:friends: If this DD thing doesn't work out, we might just have to see who can grow the biggest jones nugget

 

[silver hawaiian]

It's all good bro, I'll learn ya one of these days:friends: If this DD thing doesn't work out, we might just have to see who can grow the biggest jones nugget

Ok I'm back in

 

[bobblehead]

Photoperiod increases homeslice

(just wanted to show I'm reading and paying attention)

Can put my head back on the desk now and go back to sleep?

Edit: Time for fun with semantics!

Lol the photo period increases up until july, and then decreases as we head into fall and induces flowering... dick.

 

[silver hawaiian]

Photoperiod = darkness, right?

Darkness increases after the solstice = photoperiod increases as season wears on, no?

 

[bobblehead]

Photo=light.

Edit: Photoperiodism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoperiodism

Here it should be emphasized that*photoperiodic*effects relate directly to the timing of both the light and dark periods.

‎In plants*-*‎In animals*-*‎See also*-*‎References

Photoperiodism

Photoperiodism is the physiological reaction of organisms to the length of day or night. It occurs in plants and*animals.*Wikipedia




So kinda sorta both.



photo[*foh-toh ]

noun [plural pho·tos.]

1.*photograph

2.*photo finish

photo-

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1. a combining form meaning “light” (photobiology); also used to represent “photographic” or “photograph” in the formation of compound words:*photocopy.

Dictionary.com




But more like I'm right.

 

[silver hawaiian]

Now you done f'd it up w this whole new page thing. Now I can't go back and quote myself where I said (typed) "let's play semantics"

So, .. moon.gif



Sorry D, pretty sure you had some decent pictures of some okay plants around here..

 

[unregistered190]

Everything looks just great Mister D



Killing it in all aspects brother!

 

[silver hawaiian]

The smaller plant peeking into the picture is nightmare diesel crossed with either destroyer, or chemmy jones. Leaning towards the destroyer, but I'm not completely sure. Smells a lot like her momma She's around week 7 right now, looking like she'll need at least 10, maybe more to finish.

HTF did I miss this?

Wha ha happen? Intentional project tinkerin' or burbank-style-ee?

 

[Mister_D]

Now you done f'd it up w this whole new page thing. Now I can't go back and quote myself where I said (typed) "let's play semantics"

So, .. moon.gif



Sorry D, pretty sure you had some decent pictures of some okay plants around here..

It's all gravy bro :friends:. Always seems to be some random chit chat in my threads. Doesn't bother me any .

Everything looks just great Mister D



Killing it in all aspects brother!

Thanks unreg . Still dialing it in, but I'm getting there.

HTF did I miss this?

Wha ha happen? Intentional project tinkerin' or burbank-style-ee?

Definitely a Burbank style production. Didn't catch a destroyer male in time, and 10-15 seeds resulted. Actually smoked some of another plant from the same accident with a friend yesterday. Asked what it was, then said he'd never been that stoned in his life . Might be some gold in there........

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Just some random chit chat here.

 

[Mister_D]

Taking a smoke break, and thought I'd toss up another one of those increasingly random updates I do

So as some of you have read in my cannafornia thread, I had an issue with a mouse chewing his way into my room, followed by him committing suicide in one of my reservoirs. As a result those plants are in kind of rough shape, fighting off root rot atm. They don't look horrible considering, but definitely not ready to flower as expected.

Luckily I happened to have another table full of chemmy jones that needed to go somewhere . So I topped them, shaved their legs, and tossed them in the seed room to recover for a few days before starting flower.

Decided to toss up an orca wall in the area where I had the ppk's last round. Was just entirely too much light being wasted on the open side. Also added another 600w, switched two bulbs to vert, and moved one of the vertizontal reflectors to the middle. I had planned to hang all three bulbs vert, but decided to flower my big mommas in this area vs. the new room I just set up.

To give a bit of size perspective, the plants are in 3 gal. pots, and that is a 20 gal. tote in the lower right. Orca wall is on the right. The reflector was also lowered after this pic was taken. Big mommas are chemmy jones and nightmare diesel, the others are a mix of seeds from last rounds selection. I forget what all's in there......... Lights out kush, sweet tooth (not my selected clone), berry sour cream, and maybe something else.

continued......

 

[Mister_D]

Grabbed a few toys to play with too . First up are the brand new 600w horitlux blue. I got two, and another ballast for good measure. Pretty excited about these as they have spectrum very similar to the CMH bulbs I've become so fond of, only they come in 600w . Plus they look cool, and we all know that's good for a 10% yield increase

Found myself with some extra plants just kicking around, and I've been struggling with keeping my drying room a drying room. I finally broke last week. Grabbed some paint, a 1K ballast, 1K agrosun gold MH bulb, brand new 6" pro series max fan from can, and went to work. Hung my other vertizontal reflector with the agrosun bulb. Max fan is exchanging air with the seed room, which is of course exchanging air with the rest of the grow. Mostly sweet tooth, with a few chemmy jones.

 

[silver hawaiian]

 

[whatthe215]

very nice! i like the pond liner table with clamps, makes for easy breakdown and no damage to the expensive pond liner.

horti blues are sweet! i love my 1kw 10k super blues, well worth the close to $200.

 

[drgr33nuk]

Just a recommendation of a product I use in my rooms to control algae + root rot. It's fooking amazing but not sure if you can get it near you.

It's called microbial root conditioner

http://www.microbial.com.au/

I've used this stuff when I had a return pipe on one of my flood drain systems. The plants were pretty stuffed and the roots were brown and slimy. One dose of microbial and I had white roots sprouting from the slimy old ones

Also I use this on algae on rockwool and 24 hours later it's gone. Also being a plant extract it doesn't kill any beneficial bacterias although I'm not sure about beneficial fungi ?

Cheers.

 

[drgr33nuk]

PS nice grow !

 

[Mister_D]

Cuz I'm such a rockstar Thanks for stopping by bro.

very nice! i like the pond liner table with clamps, makes for easy breakdown and no damage to the expensive pond liner.

horti blues are sweet! i love my 1kw 10k super blues, well worth the close to $200.

Custom tables are the only way to roll :yay:. I got my horti blue 600's for 62 bucks a piece. The 600 also has more red than the 1k version

Just a recommendation of a product I use in my rooms to control algae + root rot. It's fooking amazing but not sure if you can get it near you.

It's called microbial root conditioner

http://www.microbial.com.au/

I've used this stuff when I had a return pipe on one of my flood drain systems. The plants were pretty stuffed and the roots were brown and slimy. One dose of microbial and I had white roots sprouting from the slimy old ones

Also I use this on algae on rockwool and 24 hours later it's gone. Also being a plant extract it doesn't kill any beneficial bacterias although I'm not sure about beneficial fungi ?

Cheers.

Never seen that product stateside, but i'll do some checking around. Thanks for the tip .

PS nice grow !

Thanks. It's actually a colossal fuck show in my eyes, but I needed a place where I could freely test (read: rip the grow apart after every crop ) all the crazy ideas that pop into my head.

 

[McKush]

Hey Mr. D, nice update! About time you water your own thread...

I second the kudos on the pond liner flood tray. You know I love my pond liner.. I think I may line my veggie room and maybe the FR room with it now that I reflect upon its wonders... would definitely keep my plywood protected and allow for a tight fit to the drain line.

take care bro.

 

[Mister_D]

Hey Mr. D, nice update! About time you water your own thread...

I second the kudos on the pond liner flood tray. You know I love my pond liner.. I think I may line my veggie room and maybe the FR room with it now that I reflect upon its wonders... would definitely keep my plywood protected and allow for a tight fit to the drain line.

take care bro.

Thanks Mckush , and ya I figured it was time I tossed something up in here . Pondliner is great shit! I use it for tables as well as a water tight pool/floor for the rack system, and in other places for other things . Does create a nice tight seal for drain fittings too