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Rand Paul wants Obama to go after Colorado and Washington.
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HydroManiac
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I just did time in the state of Colorado for growing and with the low plant limits and all the restrictions I don't see it as being all that legal myself if I was to grow the number of plants I would like to grow I would be breaking the law yes it is legal for a small number of business's here and a person can walk into a store and buy some but that don't seem all that great to me. And I will never be allowed to work in the industry in Colorado no matter how much I know about mj.
Not exactly. There was the small matter of the Whiskey Rebellion in 1791 with taxes & regulations on distilled spirits ever after. Rules do vary from place to place, but alcohol is still generally regarded as "legal".
Just as there are still dry counties & towns, just as there are still moonshiners in some places, we'll have that wrt cannabis as well, I suspect.
Ending that prohibition was still good policy & an enhancement of personal freedom. Ending this one is little different, other than the fact that cannabis is much more benign than alcohol.
Yeah, lots of room for local variability. The end of prohibition deal split the rule making between the feds and the states mostly. There will be rules for legal weed. There is already a bewildering diversity of weed rules. Maybe they will become less difficult to avoid.
This could reflect in a more balanced way, what his stances are.
My take he is not going to promote it ,because its not his job, but he does not think anyone should be put in prison for it. He is working to end the current mandatory minimum sentencing and wants to release non-violent offenders currently incarcerated. He is also a stong proponent of hemp, and wants to have the definition of hemp removed from that of the federal definition of marijuana so people can use it.
He is really playing, politics, his dad was straight forward and I admired that but he made the GOP very uneasy and therefore they faught tooth and nail against him. Rand is playing his hand more carefully to bring in the greatest possible amount of voters while not alienating his own grass roots supporters and the GOP establishment. It looks like its working too.
Rand Paul, Legalizing Marijuana And 2016
Welcome to the Rand Paul evolution
Rand Paul: Marijuana Use Is Not Something To 'Promote,' But 'It's A Big Mistake' To Jail People Over It
My take he is not going to promote it ,because its not his job, but he does not think anyone should be put in prison for it. He is working to end the current mandatory minimum sentencing and wants to release non-violent offenders currently incarcerated. He is also a stong proponent of hemp, and wants to have the definition of hemp removed from that of the federal definition of marijuana so people can use it.
He is really playing, politics, his dad was straight forward and I admired that but he made the GOP very uneasy and therefore they faught tooth and nail against him. Rand is playing his hand more carefully to bring in the greatest possible amount of voters while not alienating his own grass roots supporters and the GOP establishment. It looks like its working too.
Rand Paul, Legalizing Marijuana And 2016
Welcome to the Rand Paul evolution
Rand Paul: Marijuana Use Is Not Something To 'Promote,' But 'It's A Big Mistake' To Jail People Over It
Sorry to read of your misfortune. Obviously not perfect for everybody, Colorado's version of legalization is still an enormous step in the right direction. Further advances are more possible now that we have the legitimacy & respect we deserve.
Colorado should move ahead with blanket pardons for past marijuana convictions.
At some level or another, all growers have entertained the idea of making money from it, maybe a lot of money. We also realized that the reason there was much money in it all was because it was illegal & in demand. I certainly did, decades ago.
A64 changed a lot of things, and one of the things that changed was the rationale for growing at all. Mine is to enjoy the process, get high whenever I want, to share, to tinker, and not worry about being busted. So I sell nothing, abide by the plant count rules, relax & enjoy it while still above ground. Other than getting ripped off, security isn't a big concern. It's a much easier game than the old game. I'm sure it's much the same for others who've taken up growing only in the last year. And it's the myriad of anonymous Colorado legal growers who make a return to prohibition impossible.
Hell, I spend money to do it, gladly. A guy's gotta have a hobby.
Rand Paul speaks with forked tongue. How is Obama supposed to enforce federal MJ law in CO & WA if he's not throwing people in jail, anyway?
It's easy in Colorado. The rules around rec cannabis are simple, only complicated by lots of federal lands where Smokey's rules are different. Supposedly, anyway. They'll play Hell getting convictions from CO juries for anything legal under CO law, I'm sure. Jury nullification is a prosecutor's worst nightmare, so they'll go to great lengths to avoid it, including dropping charges.
I may never leave state ever again.
Well enforcing a law means you get a trial with a jury, I think if the public smartens up and starts doing that he can try to enforce what he wants ,he will still fail by nullification.
This is with the presumption he is going to follow the law. Just look at NDAA where he and any other president can haul off anyone they want without due process for any reason because the definition of enemy combatant and that the battlefield is the entire globe is broad and includes everyone here.
If you're on a list he can kill you and has done so to other "suspected terrorist" that were americans with that privilege. If he can take it from one person he can do so to anyone and you cant appeal it if you are dead. Its not a good thing.
Its our job to nullify, repeal all ridiculous laws, which IMO is all of them, and to keep public servants ,servants and fully accountable.
I am against all laws made by other people, there is not supposed to be a master servant paradigm if you are free and everyone is born equal. This is the crux of government ,there is no freedom , and hence all the bickering and divisive talk, that need not happen.
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None of that has anything to do with Rand Paul's contradictory stances.
Don't let what you want to believe get in the way of rational evaluation of what political figures actually do & say. I realize that the Pauls have been painted as Libertarian darlings, but that doesn't mean they really are. What Rand Paul alludes to isn't legalization, at all, but rather the same bullshit "decriminalization" being thrown up as a roadblock.
It'd still be illegal to grow it or sell it under such rules, maintaining the black market & the prison industrial complex. There are better ways, and we intend to prove that in Colorado with a little slack from Obama & Holder. They could have gone the other way, stopped Colorado's retail cannabis in its tracks, but they never even tried, even in the face of the desires of federal law enforcement in general. That took some nerve that few other politicians have shown.
None of that has anything to do with Rand Paul's contradictory stances.
Don't let what you want to believe get in the way of rational evaluation of what political figures actually do & say. I realize that the Pauls have been painted as Libertarian darlings, but that doesn't mean they really are. What Rand Paul alludes to isn't legalization, at all, but rather the same bullshit "decriminalization" being thrown up as a roadblock.
It'd still be illegal to grow it or sell it under such rules, maintaining the black market & the prison industrial complex. There are better ways, and we intend to prove that in Colorado with a little slack from Obama & Holder. They could have gone the other way, stopped Colorado's retail cannabis in its tracks, but they never even tried, even in the face of the desires of federal law enforcement in general. That took some nerve that few other politicians have shown.
You would be right he says he is not going to legalize it, but that's because its up to the states and congress, he says he will stay out of it, and he is working with Eric Holder right now to curb the DOJ's prosecution of mandatory minimums , and its up to the individual to choose a jury trial, and its up to the jury to nullify stupid laws if congress wont listen.
Just look at his voting record and take a unbiased look into it and decide who is getting played the individual or the establishment on both sides R & D, since they are both authoritarians.You just have to vote people in who are anti authoritarian and they are out there.
But standing around and expecting a POTUS to unilaterally break the law then you must expect the same from the opposite party when they elect a POTUS. Which is a bad thing.
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I kinda liked Rand Paul, as far as politicians go.... until now.
There's no need to demonize a demon!
He does it to himself. Rand is all about 'rights' unless he doesn't approve of them as 'rights'.
Then he just calls it 'common sense'.
Keep in mind that the Tea Party was started by Big Money and is maintained by Big Money.
Also, Keep in mind that the Republican Party was originally taken over by Religious Zealots..... (why I left)
Much like the Democrats have allowed the Anti Gunners to go 'un-muzzeled'.
Originally, I thought I could find much common ground with the 'tea party', but the party's over they are just way too controlling, bigoted, and superstitious, for my taste.
Rant over.
I've wondered in the past (and still do), if dear old Rand, doesn't own a bunch of stock in Private Prisons?
I heard on Bloomberg? (I think), that Corps. that build Prisons are one of the best investment "opportunities", available right now. ???
Hmmmm..... what do they know, that I don't?
Well, at least somebody gets it.
Since the days of Richard Nixon each president seems to have no problem pardoning the previous, regardless of party affiliation. I see little difference between them. How the hell do we get a semblance of integrity back, when every rich jerk out there has their own team of lobbyists?
There's no need to demonize a demon!
He does it to himself. Rand is all about 'rights' unless he doesn't approve of them as 'rights'.
Then he just calls it 'common sense'.
Keep in mind that the Tea Party was started by Big Money and is maintained by Big Money.
Also, Keep in mind that the Republican Party was originally taken over by Religious Zealots..... (why I left)
Much like the Democrats have allowed the Anti Gunners to go 'un-muzzeled'.
Originally, I thought I could find much common ground with the 'tea party', but the party's over they are just way too controlling, bigoted, and superstitious, for my taste.
Rant over.
I think you might mean privileges.
We are born with our rights, and if you follow that logic to its conclusion, if rights are up for negotiation by other people ,then you have none, what you have is privileges.
That is a direct result of being governed, it means we are not free.
We could be referred to as free range slaves but that is it.
I prefer no government, but not too many people are not willing to leave their cage and sacrifice a sense of security from the biggest protection racket in the world for their actual freedom.
To the second part of your post about democrats letting people go "un-muzzled" is a perfect example of the mindset of the statist "rules for thee, but not for me".
Self defense is a right not a privilege. It is a right that cats and dogs and skunks have.
Also nothing could be further from the truth regarding how much slack the Dems give them, have a look at states that are on the verge of having their rights violated by taking of their weapons. CT is one example NY is another, this is with regard to them being forced to register their magazines or face a police raid.
A quick google search is all that's needed to find out more about it.
Big money? well some/most of them on both sides are supported by big money , BO's biggest campaign donators were banks, it does not get bigger than people who create money from nothing by using accounting tricks and counting their loans as assets then pressing print.
Religious zealots are everwhere, statist are religious zealots as well ,they believe in a legal fiction defined by imaginary lines ,created by men, which have the proven track record of enslaving people in between those lines. I would not take one over the other but I don't think anything but logic in and truth could set either of those people free. They are controlled by group think then are divided and conquered by the protection racket.
LargePrime
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The differences are clear.
If its a Right boot grandma and children die and we go fight a war against brown people. And you cant smoke weed. And the rich guy gets all the money and poisons the whole earth.
If its a left boot you can't light the Cuyahoga River on fire, you can't poison all the water supplies, you can breath the air and not die, and you cant buy guns, and you get to meet your grandmother. But its a little harder to get really really rich.
Which boot would you choose?
LargePrime
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OH GOD! Its MAGIC SOULS TIME!!!!
You are not BORN with rights. You know people kill babies. The babies do nothing about it. They have no inherent power. They have no inherent right.
ONLY in a framework where an external force is given authority of power (A GOVERNMENT) can rights even exist. Under such a system that authority can recognize your right to WHATEVER. OUTSIDE of that system rights cannot and do not exist. Well for rational people. For irrational people I imagine they can make things up.
And one should note that EVERY libertarian paradise in history has done exactally NOTHING for the people in that system. That ALL THE WORLDS entire accomplishments have been from governments INFLECTING/ASSERTING themselves on their populations, to the betterment of thoes populations.
Yes horrible things have occurred under governments. But horrible things happened without them too.
