BioZome?!

[h.h.]

...it's still cool,I just was thinking he needed a 'Commander','Father',or a 'Kernel' attached for good measure... 'Father Havier Microbeman'

Maybe do a comic character and ditch that website with all the photographs. Do some charts. Charts are cool, you can use a lot of different colors. Green. Green's a good color.

 

[Microbeman]

Yeah, graphs!! Nobody understands them but it makes you look important.

From; Your Grace, Father Havier Microbeman

 

[guest2012y]

Yeah, graphs!! Nobody understands them but it makes you look important.

From; Your Grace, Father Havier Microbeman

SWEET!!!
Now I'm feeling much more confident asking grow questions Father....

Here's my question Father..
Is there any reason I should use ANYTHING in a bottle when I have and use higher quality less expensive locally sourced organic soil additives and amendments which have the same ingredients and components as them thar fancy glossy bottles?

OH..and why does everybody say to me for thr past 15 years.."Wow dude,that's the best herb I've ever smoked"...no matter if it's Purple Kush or The One....or bagseed...? Why?

 

[h.h.]

Apparently you haven't seen the graph. You need a tall fancy bottle.

 

[Microbeman]

SWEET!!!
Now I'm feeling much more confident asking grow questions Father....

Here's my question Father..
Is there any reason I should use ANYTHING in a bottle when I have and use higher quality less expensive locally sourced organic soil additives and amendments which have the same ingredients and components as them thar fancy glossy bottles?

OH..and why does everybody say to me for thr past 15 years.."Wow dude,that's the best herb I've ever smoked"...no matter if it's Purple Kush or The One....or bagseed...? Why?

My son, of course, one should always use the bottled products, otherwise how would the buyers & sellers in the shops known as hydro make a living? How would their associates who write books and appear in magazines feed their hungry children? Do you want these people to go hungry? They never learned to earn a living doing real work. They must survive somehow and that my son is on your shoulders.

 

[guest2012y]

View ImageApparently you haven't seen the graph. You need a tall fancy bottle.

I certainly like that color blue that the glass of Blueberry juice is pimpin'....nice! Yet I do admit the tall funny shaped bottle has more 'appeal' to me...decisions decisions..

 

[h.h.]

You really need to do the research behind your products. How else would you have known to make it blue AND put it in a funny shaped bottle. It's a win, win for the customer.
If you want something blue that comes in a funny bottle that will really make your plants zing, well 2 outa 3 ain't bad.
The best part is that you can dilute it 20 to 1 and it's still just as effective..
To make it more organic like, you could make it clear. With a little formulation, it would look just like water. Small bottles of green or blue could be bought separately.
Green would be added for grow and blue for flower or, for the experts, add both for the ultimate blue,green!

 

[guest2012y]

You really need to do the research behind your products. How else would you have known to make it blue AND put it in a funny shaped bottle. It's a win, win for the customer.
If you want something blue that comes in a funny bottle that will really make your plants zing, well 2 outa 3 ain't bad.
The best part is that you can dilute it 20 to 1 and it's still just as effective..
To make it more organic like, you could make it clear. With a little formulation, it would look just like water. Small bottles of green or blue could be bought separately.
Green would be added for grow and blue for flower or, for the experts, add both for the ultimate blue,green!

...hhmmm,...I dunno man..I sure like those spun aluminum bottles these guyz are offering...kinda reminds me of my own personal travel mug 4 me coffee...a warm close and valued feeling is more comfortable than plastic bottles IMO....

 

[h.h.]

This is where we'll have to agree to disagree. Nothing says "ORGANIC" like a plastic bottle with a label that says "ORGANIC" right on it.

 

[Nondual]

So much cool and useful info about the value of an inoculant.

 

[guest2012y]

So much cool and useful info about the value of an inoculant.

Which shows the TRUE value of such a product.....nearly worthless,overpriced,and environmentally irresponsible....sounds awesome~ Why would you feel the need to go to a hydro store and BUY archaea?.?.?....WTF?

Build your own soil kids....I promise...all the good guys will be in there anyway.

I'd be impressed if someone found a way to control populations rather than assume they need to add more from a bottle.

Seems like another ploy to target/bombard MMJ growers with more and more products these companies would have the 25 yr old male MMJ gardener believe in/purchase thinking they need this revolutionary new product...lame~

 

[Nondual]

Why would you feel the need to go to a hydro store and BUY archaea?.?.?....WTF?

Build your own soil kids....I promise...all the good guys will be in there anyway.

OK so you live in NYC and want to go organic and live in an apartment so how the fuck are you going to build soil in your closet...eh? What do people do in situations like that? What do people do that can only buy off the shelf products and grow then toss? Unrealistic idealism to think that everyone can grow like how you think they should. Your culture comes from somewhere so where does it come from?

The right tool for the right job. Meet people where they're at and stop trying to make them wrong.

 

[supermanlives]

so its no? i been seeing this stuff at my local organic nursery. i dont have a good compost pile yet. just a worm bin. had to relocate the pile due to puppy getting big and playfull with said pile.

 

[guest2012y]

OK so you live in NYC and want to go organic and live in an apartment so how the fuck are you going to build soil in your closet...eh? What do people do in situations like that? What do people do that can only buy off the shelf products and grow then toss? Unrealistic idealism to think that everyone can grow like how you think they should. Your culture comes from somewhere so where does it come from?

The right tool for the right job. Meet people where they're at and stop trying to make them wrong.

It's not actually how I think they should,it's more how ANYBODY can. Don't limit yourself to the box man. I know someone who lived in New York doing this....NOT impossible.

Who say's who is wrong...I'm just saying that companies like this target unknowing MMJ growers and rake them over the coals with overpriced watered down BS!!
You have no clue how many people I've walked through organic soil grows....sounds like your just mad you can't grow in organic living soil without buying stuff from hydro-stores or something..not my ish.
Sorry it isn't working out...maybe I can point you in the direction of someone who has grown in NYC in the closet with organic living soil...but that's up to that individual to step forward or not.

Everything you need isn't far...

 

[Iron_Lion]

OK so you live in NYC and want to go organic and live in an apartment so how the fuck are you going to build soil in your closet...eh? What do people do in situations like that? What do people do that can only buy off the shelf products and grow then toss? Unrealistic idealism to think that everyone can grow like how you think they should. Your culture comes from somewhere so where does it come from?

The right tool for the right job. Meet people where they're at and stop trying to make them wrong.

Culturing soil is probably the easiest way to grow in a small space.

I dont live in an apartment but I still didnt like the idea of having to constantly be carrying in bags of new soil or disposing of used soil. I have been recycling the same soil for well over a year. I keep 2 bins, 1 with used soil, and 1 with re-amended soil, in between grows I treat the soil like a living thing to keep it active, feed it, water it etc.

it does take some time and practice to get it right but its worth it. this is just one option for the indoor grower in a small space, there is many ways to grow organic.

 

[Microbeman]

Alternatively one just lets the soil live in one spot. Do not re-amend by mixing it up separately, rather just topdress with organic matter, or vermicompost, treat with AEM or lactobacillus culture or whathaveyou; let the soil be as alive as the plants growing in it and you will be rewarded.

I do understand that people have size restrictions but if you think about it a rubbermaid bin 3 X 1.5 x 1.5 feet (4.5 square feet) into which one can plant around 10 to 12 plants (to be grown small; 18 inches finished) takes up 4.5 square feet of space whereas 12 eight inch pots take up 5.2 square feet of space. But the soil depth and life potential in the bin is far superior.

All one really needs to grow good quality personal medicine is two bins; one for the plants as described and one to raise worms under the kitchen sink. One can ad to this as they choose by fermenting plant extracts, culturing LABs, AEM, IMO, making compost tea, etc. etc.

If one gets a system going where cuttings are taken just prior to triggering flower, the cuttings are ready to plant immediately following harvest. The fungi and heirarchical microbial complex remains undisturbed in the soil and happily functions with the new roots and organic matter introduced. Small plants covered in flowers is key.

 

[grandmasgreenma]

wrong wrong wrong

wrong wrong wrong

I'm no expert on the Rev but he seems a Johnny come lately skating on other peoples' coat tails kinda guy.

On Archaea, it is already everywhere in your soil, compost and compost tea. Someone who buys the Biozome harsh environment archaea is just being taken for a ride. [ they actually once claimed that Archaea were discovered by Dr. Carl Oppenheimer until I challenged them on that; Now I see they changed the wording] Read what I say about Archaea on my page and in my posts. Note I use the phrase bacteria/archaea fairly consistently.

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/archaea/archaea.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/08/060817103131.htm

Stop wasting money on crap that magazine guys spew.

u need to investigate a bit more before u knock .u are way off on your statement that it is already in your soil, b.s. bro.run your ears more than your mouth.and please dont ask me to tell you why as you need to investigate your self. all archea are not the same ones mentioned .and yes carl o. did discover these types of archea mentioned in whatever article it was u disputed.
i may not have the respect u do have here but i do have the knowledge u lack.all i say is you are misinformed and spreading bad info.

 

[DuckDuckGoose]

u need to investigate a bit more before u knock .u are way off on your statement that it is already in your soil, b.s. bro.run your ears more than your mouth.and please dont ask me to tell you why as you need to investigate your self. all archea are not the same ones mentioned .and yes carl o. did discover these types of archea mentioned in whatever article it was u disputed.
i may not have the respect u do have here but i do have the knowledge u lack.all i say is you are misinformed and spreading bad info.

hey grandmasgreenma,

are you the Rev?

just wondering... i mean who digs up a thread from a year ago to tell somebody that they are wrong about something and say "please dont ask me to tell you why as you need to investigate your self".

i haven't flamed anybody on this site...but you are just a fucking piece of shit. go compost yourself. you would be better suited as a source of humus than human life. ass waste.

DDG... now go away.

 

[Microbeman]

Easily, I am wrong about the 'rev' but perhaps not about archaea.

I guess I'll need to tell the Universties of Berkley, Bergen, Cologne, Penn State, Purdue, Illinois, Cornell, Aberdeen, etc. that they are all wrong

 

[brazel]

Alternatively one just lets the soil live in one spot. Do not re-amend by mixing it up separately, rather just topdress with organic matter, or vermicompost, treat with AEM or lactobacillus culture or whathaveyou; let the soil be as alive as the plants growing in it and you will be rewarded.

I do understand that people have size restrictions but if you think about it a rubbermaid bin 3 X 1.5 x 1.5 feet (4.5 square feet) into which one can plant around 10 to 12 plants (to be grown small; 18 inches finished) takes up 4.5 square feet of space whereas 12 eight inch pots take up 5.2 square feet of space. But the soil depth and life potential in the bin is far superior.

All one really needs to grow good quality personal medicine is two bins; one for the plants as described and one to raise worms under the kitchen sink. One can ad to this as they choose by fermenting plant extracts, culturing LABs, AEM, IMO, making compost tea, etc. etc.

If one gets a system going where cuttings are taken just prior to triggering flower, the cuttings are ready to plant immediately following harvest. The fungi and heirarchical microbial complex remains undisturbed in the soil and happily functions with the new roots and organic matter introduced. Small plants covered in flowers is key.

hey microbeman, do you have a soil mix? that you share the recipe with us? I've tried searching but everytime it just takes me to the home page of icmag? anyway i'm interested in living soils and this group planting that you are talking about! or mayb you have a grow link? I've read your website on microbes very informative do you have one on soil? thanks enjoi your sunday