Rand Paul wants Obama to go after Colorado and Washington.

[rives]

So you admit he does not have the power some believes he has? He's not calling the shots right. Oh wait he's calling the shots when it gives us a reason to hate him.

Bro......Not everyone likes Obama, some dislike him for good reason but you are talking in circles.

"So you admit he does not have the power some believes he has? " - Certainly.

Do you understand how the structure of the US government works?

Bin Laden's demise would have come about eventually regardless of who was the president. He had to turn up at some point, and whoever was sitting the big chair would have "gotten" him. What change in policy originating with Obama led to killing Bin Laden?

On the other hand, the mj crackdown in California can trace it's heritage directly to Obama. Things were reasonably low key until he announced the "hands off" policy. At that point, the green rush was on. After creating a target-rich environment, the DOJ suddenly decided that the proliferation could no longer be tolerated, and we know the result.

 

[Coconutz]

"What I specifically said was that we were not going to prioritize prosecutions of persons who are using medical marijuana," Obama said. "I never made a commitment that somehow we were going to give carte blanche to large-scale producers and operators of marijuana -- and the reason is, because it's against federal law."

The president continued: "I can't nullify congressional law. I can't ask the Justice Department to say, 'Ignore completely a federal law that's on the books.' What I can say is, 'Use your prosecutorial discretion and properly prioritize your resources to go after things that are really doing folks damage.' As a consequence, there haven't been prosecutions of users of marijuana for medical purposes."

 

[rives]

That sounds almost as definitive as deciding not to enforce a law for now, and if we're lucky, maybe until his successor arrives. Yeah, we should forgo legislation requiring adherence to the mandates of the Constitution because we have this iron-clad guarantee to make us feel warm and fuzzy about ignoring the rest of the laws that he's decided don't need enforcing. You do realize, of course, that he is setting precedents for future Presidents to follow, some of whom you may not agree with quite as much?

Jesus Christ. I'm no fan of Bush, but do you even have the slightest idea what the average gas price was when Obama was inaugurated?

 

[Coconutz]

yes I do

It went up a little right after obama, and we know why... Do you?
Do you remember 6 months before obama?
You can see that it quadrupled under the bush admin
Oh look! A squirrel!

 

[LargePrime]

As long as this topic does not bleed into other far more important discussions on other threads.

The military does not serve at the pleasure of the president.

Wait, what?
So if the president of the united states asked every member of ST6 to stand down, how many do you imagine would refuse?
Are you imagining that its different for any other member of the military? As commander in chief he can fire every single one of them, right?

Bin Laden's demise would have come about eventually regardless of who was the president.

Dieing of old age is a 'demise'. Whats your point? OBL's time just happened to be up when this 'lazy' black president was serving?
Bush had 8 years to get OBL and, in fact, can be quoted as saying it was not a priority for him. One can assume the same for his administration. Lack of focus of leadership has tangible effects. As does Focus. The current president did not have the same "don't spend much time on it" lack of care. That is the tangible difference.

Obama has decided to simply not enforce the laws that he doesn't agree with and this legislation is intended to get him to do his constitutionally-mandated job.

On the other hand, the mj crackdown in California can trace it's heritage directly to Obama. Things were reasonably low key until he announced the "hands off" policy. At that point, the green rush was on. After creating a target-rich environment, the DOJ suddenly decided that the proliferation could no longer be tolerated, and we know the result.

Wait a minute. Is the President in trouble for enforcing the laws or not enforcing the laws? Can he simply decide to not enforce laws, or does he HAVE TO... but not the cali MJ shops? Your confusing me by calling him out on one hand then cursing him for coming out on the other.

He needs to get off his lazy ass

White guy calling the black President of the United States of America lazy...
I imagine you killed it at Harvard too...

P.S.
To the earlier post about the costs of obamacare; note that republicans wrote obamacare, and that is has slowed the rate of increase of health care costs dramatically. And that cost increases have nothing to do with legitimate market forces but mostly entirely marked distortions due to republican policies.

The rest of the first world pays less and gets better health care. And all of them are socialized medicine.

 

[LargePrime]

You can see that it quadrupled under the bush admin
Oh look! A squirrel!

And its not like the bush administration campaigned on how HORRIBLE a job Clinton did with the US energy policy and how the Bushies were gonna fix all of that. They FUCKEN campaigned on getting the US CHEAP OIL!

 

[Coconutz]

And its not like the bush administration campaigned on how HORRIBLE a job Clinton did with the US energy policy and how the Bushies were gonna fix all of that. They FUCKEN campaigned on getting the US CHEAP OIL!

Exactly. And SOME people are easily convinced a president has any direct effect on oil prices, well its hard, but starting wars in the region might actually be one of the only direct ways a president can fuck the prices
The reason bush went into iraq was to have control over the crumbling oil sites in iraq to put more oil on the market and stabilize the price
Under obama we are actually producing more oil than ever in the US
The price continues to climb and always will as long as the demand keeps escalating and these large corporations get filthy rich

You see that big dip in production right before obama? under bush?
I wonder why the price went up a bit when obama took office???
When you know the facts its hard to believe how they can be allowed to deceive people and still actually be considered a news source by anyone
You would think with all the info available people couldnt be tricked so easily
If you dig into it a bit more and figure out why there was a dip during the election you would be steaming mad
for relaying the propaganda youve been fed!

 

[bentom187]

Wait a minute. Is the President in trouble for enforcing the laws or not enforcing the laws? Can he simply decide to not enforce laws, or does he HAVE TO... but not the cali MJ shops? Your confusing me by calling him out on one hand then cursing him for coming out on the other.

There is political advantages to ignoring and enforcing what you want.
He commands the military if he gets involved in the rights of the states which are just imaginary lines painted by other slave owners, you should know its a military dictatorship ,in no less degree than N korea. Resist and find out what he will be willing to do.If there is a government ,then there is a slave being ruled.

To the earlier post about the costs of obamacare; note that republicans wrote obamacare, and that is has slowed the rate of increase of health care costs dramatically. And that cost increases have nothing to do with legitimate market forces but mostly entirely marked distortions due to republican policies.

The rest of the first world pays less and gets better health care. And all of them are socialized medicine.

Hey I have no doubt there are republicans that are just as shady, and in the pockets of insurance companies willing to spread the costs out to prolong the fact that they have been lying the whole time. Cuts in increases still makes a increase over time no matter what party ,they are re-arranging the chairs on the titanic. That sucks.

And that cost increases have nothing to do with legitimate market forces but mostly entirely marked distortions due to republican policies.

Wrong it has to do with ALL politicians getting in the way of the market , no matter what party. Intervention between the provider and the patient is a distortion .

Shit paint the picture any way you want to and don't be objective about any of this or follow any logic at all and you are going to come to the conclusion it was the "other" guy.

 

[LargePrime]

There is political advantages to ignoring and enforcing what you want.

But you are ignoring the point. You can't complain about both behaviors and not be a hypocrite.

you should know its a military dictatorship ,in no less degree than N korea. Resist and find out what he will be willing to do.

So you are saying there is no difference between the USA and North Korea? Really? You do know you are posting on a forum. How many posters are showing us their grows from North Korea?

If there is a government ,then there is a slave being ruled.

Right, cause living in the Netherlands is JUST LIKE LIVING IN NORTH KOREA?

Hey I have no doubt there are republicans just as shady, and in the pockets of insurance companies willing to spread the costs out to prolong the fact that they have been lying the whole time.

Whos lying about what?

Cuts in increases still makes a increase over time no matter what party ,they are re-arranging the chairs on the titanic. That sucks.

ya. but not as much as record level increases, which we have been having for YEARS before the ACA, right? Cause there is a difference between 'sucks' and "DIE FASTER OR GIVE ME ALL YOUR MONEY"

Wrong it has to do with ALL politicians getting in the way of market distortions, no matter what party.

Wait, what? Remember before the government got involved in health care people died from simple fixable things all the time. After the government got involved grandma and grandpa stopped fucken dying of stupid fixable things.

If you are saying that all the grandparents should die sooner cause markets are sacred you are not gonna get a lot of fans. And history says you are wrong.

Intervention between the provider and the patient is a distortion.

you call it a distortion if grandma gets to live?
That's pretty fucked up...

Shit paint the picture any way you want to and don't be objective about any of this or follow any logic at all and you are going to come to the conclusion it was the "other" guy.

I am not saying it was the "other guy". I am saying it was "that guy right there". I am not sure how pointing at the history and the facts is blaming the other guy. If this "other guy" did it, should we not call him out for doing it?

 

[bombadil.360]

Unbelieveable, how can some people who obviously love our beautiful cannabis plant, a gift to humanity, get their panties in a twist when a politrickian they thought was cool shows his true colours?

Ridiculous.

 

[Coconutz]

Its okay... Ill give ya'll time to go over the facts... I realize you havent seen any facts before on bullshit mountain

 

[LargePrime]

Its okay... Ill give ya'll time to go over the facts... I realize you havent seen any facts before on bullshit mountain

Given our immediate roles are the 2 "lefties". And given that 2 lefties cannot agree on which way is up, how do we feel about the US presidents MJ arrests?

Do we like that they are at a far lower rate than the bush administration? Or do we hate that any occur at all?

Or do we take the typical cop-out that things are 'complicated' and 'nuanced' and require actual thought and information gathering and review?

 

[bentom187]

But you are ignoring the point. You can't complain about both behaviors and not be a hypocrite.?

Im saying that he does not care what is done.By he I mean a vacant spot in politics that could be filled by anyone. Because its military rule,its not actually up to us or politicians. You can try to defy it but it will cost you,he considers what is politically convenient in keeping slaves that vote.

So you are saying there is no difference between the USA and North Korea? Really? You do know you are posting on a forum. How many posters are showing us their grows from North Korea?Right, cause living in the Netherlands is JUST LIKE LIVING IN NORTH KOREA?

Yeah , do they make rules for you to follow ? do you have a choice , same shit different degree.

Whos lying about what??

Read my post, NOTHING is free. You are either going to work and reap the rewards or someone else is at your cost. That's the lie. If you don't think that theft is not a economical cost, then you are being foolish. Both sides promote this fiction which is a lie.This idea someone else will pay for everything and nothing bad will happen is a joke and we are the punch line. Resources are limited. But I am a firm believer in the goodness of individuals to give to the needy. I just don't believe in taking it from anyone. That is theft.

ya. but not as much as record level increases, which we have been having for YEARS before the ACA, right? Cause there is a difference between 'sucks' and "DIE FASTER OR GIVE ME ALL YOUR MONEY"

Record level increases ? it was never nationalized before hand what records would you be referring to besides the insurance companies or the hospitals doing the charging ? If you read my other post you can see im for a healthcare that individuals can afford. But don't do that , it sounds good if you just complain.

Wait, what? Remember before the government got involved in health care people died from simple fixable things all the time. After the government got involved grandma and grandpa stopped fucken dying of stupid fixable things.

If you are saying that all the grandparents should die sooner cause markets are sacred you are not gonna get a lot of fans. "

You not seeing the big picture ,there has always been government (unfortunately), every technological developement happened despite it ,not because of it, because all it is ,is a regulatory or protection service, AKA organized crime. People exist without a legal fiction known as government, the developments would have been made anyway because people exist without legal fiction.

And history says you are wrong.you call it a distortion if grandma gets to live?
That's pretty fucked up...I am not saying it was the "other guy". I am saying it was "that guy right there". I am not sure how pointing at the history and the facts is blaming the other guy. If this "other guy" did it, should we not call him out for doing it?

Yes you should pinpoint the cause of problems , but in organized crime, the criminal is going to point to some one else, that's government, and the false paradigm they provide of left versus right .

Governments make men hate other men because the people who perpetrate it are nothing but useless criminals who steal and blame others.

A market distortion is anyone between point A of a contract and point B. that's government , a distortion. Its not what I want to happen its what is going to happen because of some simple economic facts and middlemen called government.

 

[Coconutz]

Given our immediate roles are the 2 "lefties". And given that 2 lefties cannot agree on which way is up, how do we feel about the US presidents MJ arrests?

Do we like that they are at a far lower rate than the bush administration? Or do we hate that any occur at all?

Or do we take the typical cop-out that things are 'complicated' and 'nuanced' and require actual thought and information gathering and review?

It seems like its the cities themselves that want to crackdown during elections. I think that might change, too
There was a time when every single corner had a shop out here in LB and LA anyway.
Bush averaged 20 shops where obama averages 36, but I dont have any statistics to show how many more there are now than under bush.
What I do like about this administrations approach is they recognize the race disparity in marijuana arrests and they are actually on the decline now.
They dont see the need to fill our prisons with users just to get more people behind bars. Thats great news!
Keep in mind... I havent been an obama fan since the beginning, but hes not the worst choice we had
Thats bush at the peak there... Just before Obama

 

[VenturaHwy]

"Rand Paul wants to take away legal pot."

The word legal is a lie in WA State. It is not legal to grow your own weed under the recreational I-502, only under the medical marijuana laws can you grow your own. It is not legal to sell weed under I-502 unless you are part of the state monopoly. This is the problem, people hear legal mj and they actually believe it is legal, it is not legal.

What I-502 is a state monopoly on growing and selling weed. They could have decriminalized weed but this was more about control and tax revenue for the greedy politicians.

http://www.seattleweekly.com/news/951692-129/toke-signals-medical-marijuanas-manufactured-crisis

 

[PetFlora]

Stop getting your news from MSM.

Veteran's Today reported that Osama died some 11 years ago. You would think, they, of all groups, would know, right?

The photo op with all the biggies in one room supposedly watching the raid unfold was staged, just as Mandela's death was staged. He died back in early summer.

easy enough to fact check as long as you don't use MSM reporting

I doubt Rand is against legalizing mj. Sounds like disinfo agents at play

"So you admit he does not have the power some believes he has? " - Certainly.

Do you understand how the structure of the US government works?

Bin Laden's demise would have come about eventually regardless of who was the president. He had to turn up at some point, and whoever was sitting the big chair would have "gotten" him. What change in policy originating with Obama led to killing Bin Laden?

On the other hand, the mj crackdown in California can trace it's heritage directly to Obama. Things were reasonably low key until he announced the "hands off" policy. At that point, the green rush was on. After creating a target-rich environment, the DOJ suddenly decided that the proliferation could no longer be tolerated, and we know the result.

 

[LargePrime]

Im saying that he does not care what is done.By he I mean a vacant spot in politics that could be filled by anyone. Because its military rule,its not actually up to us or politicians. You can try to defy it but it will cost you,he considers what is politically convenient in keeping slaves that vote.

It's not military rule. You can protest and arue against it, FYI. No you can't blatantly break the laws and expect no one to do anything. But talking and working and Voting against laws you don't like is the DEFINITION of different from military rule.

Yeah , do they make rules for you to follow ? do you have a choice , same shit different degree.

You are aware that the difference of degree is the definition of the difference?

Read my post, NOTHING is free. You are either going to work and reap the rewards or someone else is at your cost. That's the lie. If you don't think that theft is not a economical cost, then you are being foolish.

Wait, what? I am confused. Who is stealing what, and from whom? What are you even talking about?

But I am a firm believer in the goodness of individuals to give to the needy. I just don't believe in taking it from anyone. That is theft.

Ok, so you probably should have started with that.

So what you earn is yours, and any taxation is theft? But what about your use and exploitation of things you did not build. Like the roads and the educated work force and the infrastructure and grandma getting healthcare and not being dead. Your use if it without paying for it is theft. So you can make yourself a lot happier by just reminding yourself that you are not being stole from, but you are paying back a debt that you owe.

But do you know that economics and societies actually work the exact opposite of the way you think they do? That a society that provides for the needy as a right actually makes that whole society stronger safer and healthier? you know we tried a system like you imagine for a long time. It was called the dark ages. You do know that we have literally given money to people who had less money and studied the effects time and time again and it literally worked miracles.

Record level increases ? it was never nationalized before hand what records would you be referring to besides the insurance companies or the hospitals doing the charging ? If you read my other post you can see im for a healthcare that individuals can afford. But don't do that , it sounds good if you just complain.

Your confused. You seem to think our health care was nationalized. It has not been. This is a common problem when people don't seek facts.
Not that 'medicare for all' would not have been way better than this republican disaster we have now.

But yes. under the 'free market' health care costs have skyrocketed. Under this horrible Republican healthcare plan the RATE of those increases have dropped faster than any time in history. Showing that even a bad goverment intervention in a market is better than a "free market".

You not seeing the big picture ,there has always been government (unfortunately),

sombody is not seeing something my friend.

every technological developement happened despite it ,not because of it,

you are aware the lots of government have accomplished a great many things far before thier time and in some cases things that wear great for mankind and that may not have ever happened, right? Like some of us got to meet our grandmas cause they did not die, because our government helped them. And some of us got to get educated because our government helped them, and ...

because all it is ,is a regulatory or protection service, AKA organized crime. People exist without a legal fiction known as government, the developments would have been made anyway because people exist without legal fiction.

Right, because a democratically elected government is just like a crime boss? Please review above to see how they are different. Your response?

Yes you should pinpoint the cause of problems , but in organized crime, the criminal is going to point to some one else, that's government, and the false paradigm they provide of left versus right.

You are aware that many governments have government mechanisms that are designed to find problems in that same governmental systems? In the US they LITERALLY have a GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY OFFICE. care to Google it's job?

Governments make men hate other men because the people who perpetrate it are nothing but useless criminals who steal and blame others.

So governments have special mind powers that make people hate each other?

A market distortion is anyone between point A of a contract and point B. that's government , a distortion. Its not what I want to happen its what is going to happen because of some simple economic facts and middlemen called government.

I can't make heads or tails of this.

You keep stateing things that are not true as if they are true. For example "government is this' or 'government is that'. Its almost like you are quoting a scripture form a book I have never heard of. I find it hard to follow. Please slow it down and explain what you are saying. Cause you are sounding kinda crazy. And your not, right?

 

[oldchuck]

As I understand it the main targets of that bill were immigration and Obamacare. They threw Cannabis in as kind of an afterthought.

Regarding the rescheduling, I've heard it argued both ways, executive decision or legislation. I'm not sure. Even if the President could reschedule it would be politically hazardous at this time. Different story after the election this fall. But I'm hearing that the Republicans could pick up the Senate. Why anyone would vote Republican I will never understand, especially someone who wants to see weed legal.

 

[Sisu]

Damn. A squirrel could have a blast here.

 

[Ga farmer]

Why anyone would vote Republican I will never understand, especially someone who wants to see weed legal.

Because most people are not one issue voters. If legalizing weed is someone's only motivation for voting. IMHO they should not be voting.

Oh by the way, here the medical marijuana charge is being lead by republicans. So you're premise is unfounded!!