MZ12X IN USE!

[dybert]

So, I got my hands on this and did a quick test run.

Notes: It smells IDENTICAL to lawnmower starting fluid. It also says right on the can "Contains a bitterant to discouarge inhalant abuse".

The liquid boiled off much faster than butane, which makes sense if this is Dimethyl Ether as it boils at -11F

After a full purge it appears to be reasonably nice oil, no strange flavor left or anything like that. This wasn't the best starting material so I can't really comment on how it would be with fire input.

 

[frankenstein2]

That's awesome!!! I was just checking out their website the other day. Are you able to have it lab tested to see if there is anything left in it?

 

[dybert]

That's awesome!!! I was just checking out their website the other day. Are you able to have it lab tested to see if there is anything left in it?

The way lab testing works, is you have to know whats in it, to test for it.

Unfortunately because they won't release what its comprised of, we're kind of "shooting in the dark" for residual testing.

I'm in Seattle, and actually work for a cannabis testing lab, though like I said I'm not sure how we would test this.

I will do some potency results in a bit here...

 

[SkyHighLer]

When mine comes I'm thinking of modifying my residual test where I shoot a can in a bag and weigh what's left, to also suspending the bag (if the solvent shows no sign of dissolving it,) then I can shoot the bag with my IR thermometer and record the temperatures versus time down to near the very end of boil off. Should it hold steady at about -11F, I'll take note if the final liquid seems to boil off at a slower rate than the rest of the bag.

Thanks for posting up!

 

[Gray Wolf]

Looking for a local lab.

 

[dybert]

Looking for a local lab.

I've got more of the product on hand for testing. I'm going to do a potency test of my first run today.

 

[dybert]

I performed the potency test today...

CBD: 7.5%
THC (Max): 52.5%
THCV: 3.5%
CBG: 2%
CBC: .2%
THCA: 35%

 

[RegisPhilburn1]

Thanks dybert!!! whos up for the bioassay

 

[SkyHighLer]

In the picture the can of MX12X reads 16.9oz/500ml.

0.95822g/ml

versus

0.735g/ml for dimethyl ether @ -25C


http://www.impactanalytical.com/aerosol-testing.asp

 

[dybert]

In the picture the can of MX12X reads 16.9oz/500ml.

0.95822g/ml

versus

0.735g/ml for dimethyl ether @ -25C


http://www.impactanalytical.com/aerosol-testing.asp

I believe it also has the CO2 propellant added if I remember correctly. Would that change the weight? I'd have to look up that kind of thing, I'm not a chemist.

Also nots 16.9oz per 500ML i don't think right? Its just saying 16.9oz, or 500ml

 

[SkyHighLer]

What would be the purpose of the CO2?

"Aerosol propellants

If aerosol cans were simply filled with compressed gas, it would either need to be at a dangerously high pressure and require special pressure vessel design (like in gas cylinders), or the amount of gas in the can would be small, and would rapidly deplete. This is why it's incorrect to refer to duster cans as containing compressed air. Usually the gas is the vapor of a liquid with boiling point slightly lower than room temperature. This means that inside the pressurized can, the vapor can exist in equilibrium with its bulk liquid at a pressure that is higher than atmospheric pressure (and able to expel the payload), but not dangerously high. As gas escapes, it is immediately replaced by evaporating liquid. Since the propellant exists in liquid form in the can, it should be miscible with the payload or dissolved in the payload. In gas dusters, the propellant itself acts as the payload.
Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) were once often used, but since the Montreal Protocol came into force in 1989, they have been replaced in nearly every country due to the negative effects CFCs have on Earth's ozone layer. The most common replacements are mixtures of volatile hydrocarbons, typically propane, n-butane and isobutane. Dimethyl ether (DME) and methyl ethyl ether are also used. All these have the disadvantage of being flammable. Nitrous oxide and carbon dioxide are also used as propellants to deliver foodstuffs (for example, whipped cream and cooking spray). Medicinal aerosols such as asthma inhalers use hydrofluoroalkanes (HFA): either HFA 134a (1,1,1,2,-tetrafluoroethane) or HFA 227 (1,1,1,2,3,3,3-heptafluoropropane) or combinations of the two. Manual pump sprays can be used as an alternative to a stored propellant."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerosol_spray

 

[Kcar]

I think 16.9oz is volume, not weight.

 

[dybert]

What would be the purpose of the CO2?

"Aerosol propellants

If aerosol cans were simply filled with compressed gas, it would either need to be at a dangerously high pressure and require special pressure vessel design (like in gas cylinders), or the amount of gas in the can would be small, and would rapidly deplete. This is why it's incorrect to refer to duster cans as containing compressed air. Usually the gas is the vapor of a liquid with boiling point slightly lower than room temperature. This means that inside the pressurized can, the vapor can exist in equilibrium with its bulk liquid at a pressure that is higher than atmospheric pressure (and able to expel the payload), but not dangerously high. As gas escapes, it is immediately replaced by evaporating liquid. Since the propellant exists in liquid form in the can, it should be miscible with the payload or dissolved in the payload. In gas dusters, the propellant itself acts as the payload.
Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) were once often used, but since the Montreal Protocol came into force in 1989, they have been replaced in nearly every country due to the negative effects CFCs have on Earth's ozone layer. The most common replacements are mixtures of volatile hydrocarbons, typically propane, n-butane and isobutane. Dimethyl ether (DME) and methyl ethyl ether are also used. All these have the disadvantage of being flammable. Nitrous oxide and carbon dioxide are also used as propellants to deliver foodstuffs (for example, whipped cream and cooking spray). Medicinal aerosols such as asthma inhalers use hydrofluoroalkanes (HFA): either HFA 134a (1,1,1,2,-tetrafluoroethane) or HFA 227 (1,1,1,2,3,3,3-heptafluoropropane) or combinations of the two. Manual pump sprays can be used as an alternative to a stored propellant."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerosol_spray

I'm not totally sure, and I think DME is actually used as a propellant in things like hair spray?

From the MZ12X MSDS: Formulated Organic Methane & Carbon Dioxide

 

[SkyHighLer]

Got mine today, Graywolf should have his. I hope to test for residue and boiling point(s) tomorrow. Squirted a half a teaspoon in my Mason jar, smells like Isopropyl Alcohol, but evaporated immediately leaving behind a slight chemical smell.

 

[Kcar]

It's funny they first touted it as less flammable than Butane.

 

[Kcar]

I'm betting they never meant to release Pure ZHO, and MZ12X was their target product
all along.

 

[Kcar]

Wonder what the 'bitterent' is..

 

[SkyHighLer]

No bitterant.

MZ12X Organic Degreaser had 0.006g of residue

MZ12X Organic Degreaser, Korea, 500ml can, reads on the bottom "2013.12.18"


The residue had a light yellow tint, similar to most Korean canned butane. I'm amazed there was so little residue, that's a huge can. The 'squirt' was very hard and fast.

I read the boil off temperatures by holding the bag above the evaporating dish and shooting an IR thermometer at it.

-14F
-11F
-11F
-12F
-17F
-12F

Someone with a good nose should boil off a can and describe the smell of the residue, it's not the same as butane.



Tested a second can for residue,

MZ12X Organic Degreaser #2 had 0.005g of residue

MZ12X Organic Degreaser, Korea, 500ml can, reads on the bottom "2013.12.18"

This stuff is cold enough for you to need gloves when working with it...

 

[Gray Wolf]

Got a call from the post office that I have a package. I suspect it is the MZ12X, as it is over due, but I also have other stuff, like PID controllers on order, so have to check to find out for sure

 

[dybert]

No bitterant.

MZ12X Organic Degreaser had 0.006g of residue

MZ12X Organic Degreaser, Korea, 500ml can, reads on the bottom "2013.12.18"


The residue had a light yellow tint, similar to most Korean canned butane. I'm amazed there was so little residue, that's a huge can. The 'squirt' was very hard and fast.

I read the boil off temperatures by holding the bag above the evaporating dish and shooting an IR thermometer at it.

-14F
-11F
-11F
-12F
-17F
-12F

Someone with a good nose should boil off a can and describe the smell of the residue, it's not the same as butane.



Tested a second can for residue,

MZ12X Organic Degreaser #2 had 0.005g of residue

MZ12X Organic Degreaser, Korea, 500ml can, reads on the bottom "2013.12.18"

This stuff is cold enough for you to need gloves when working with it...

It says right on the can, "Contains a bitterant to discouarge inhalant abuse".