Upper leaves clawing, bottom fan leaves getting yellow tips

[DrBagseed]

Whatever your mix is, keep it consistent through the pot. If it's a 50/50 mix now, make a 50/50 mix up to transplant into.

Make a base of perlite up to the hole, then just tip the whole ball out of the pot, and pot it up into the new mix.

Just remember with the light, that your plants were stressed in the first place is because of too much light, not too little. I know that's a big thing to really come to terms with when you first start growing; It's hard to resist the urge to give them more.

400w is perfect for how big they are now. Even if you had a 1000w bulb you'd get no more out of it at that stage than a 400 at the right range. When it gets a bit bigger, and has more foliage and root mass to process light, and when the 400 won't penetrate it as efficiently as 600/1000, then at that point the 1000w would come into it's own. Do you know what I'm saying?

Getting your grow tuned in is about adjusting things one way or the other and appreciating the reaction. In your case, you need to go the other way with the light to be in the sweet spot.

When they're bigger then yep, stick the led in, go for it. Give it it's own bit of the canopy and see how it gets on. But for the main part, make sure you're getting the most out of the 400

Thanks for the information and advice bud. Raising the lights seem to have had just positive effects besides a bit of stretching but I guess that will benefit the plant in some way also because now the side-branches actually get light. However Im still a bit unsure about the transplanting part, I'll make a diagram to show what I mean.

Im almost 100% sure the seller on ebay tried to scam me because I got some packages today that I ordered long after the pH meter. Lets see if I get the refund before I jump to any conclusions though..

So I got some potassium silicate 34% today, do you have any experience with potassium silicate? Brand is potsil. Im thinking about adding some today.

 

[papaduc]

Use that strength silica it at a quarter ml per L.
Add it to your water first before your nutes. It'll send your ph right up and some nutes can precipitate out of solution at that range. So bring your Ph back down to a normal level of about 7, then add your nutes, then sort your final ph and feed.

 

[DrBagseed]

Use that strength silica it at a quarter ml per L.
Add it to your water first before your nutes. It'll send your ph right up and some nutes can precipitate out of solution at that range. So bring your Ph back down to a normal level of about 7, then add your nutes, then sort your final ph and feed.

Thanks, that's good info, I added it first yesterday but I didn't see any precipitating, anyways I wont be doing that anymore regardless. I cant really tell any difference but they don't look bad after using it at least.

Got some pk 13/14 and canna boost and the 300w led today so I'm set now. Got the led over the smallest plants besides the hps. Wont be adding the boost and pk for a good while though. I was thinking about adding boost to the one with pre flowers, but I put that thought to the side since I'm not flowering it until at least one more month vegging.

Pictures, day 24 or possibly day 25 for most of the plants. The plant which was clawing badly is the highest one in the tent.

Starting to get crowded with side branches, I'm really wanting to take some clones of the Mazari but I do have 2 more seeds so it's probably better to start one of them and make a mother instead, but we'll see.

 

[papaduc]

They look good. They're not perfect but nothing a few tweaks won't sort out. They'll be big and there will be bud...

What's the temperature and humidity at plant level with the lights on?

Hang the thermometer so it's hanging at the top of the plants and tell us what Rh and temp it reads.

 

[DrBagseed]

Thanks! I am actually pretty satisfied with them but I know it can be a lot better. As long as I get bud better than I can buy here on a regular basis I'm gonna be happy, but I do want to aim for the optimal results. You have been to great help when it comes to this.

It's been staying at 24-25c mostly but varying from 22-27c. I've been forgetting to buy a Rh meter instead of this one but im guessing it's way to low. I'll get a meter and post the Rh tomorrow or latest by saturday.

 

[papaduc]

No problem fella.

When you get it, make a point of finding the temp not in the tent, but at the top of the canopy. Hang the thermometer from a piece of string so it hangs at the same height as the top of the plants. Leave it there for half an hour in the middle of the lights on day. Then take the readings. That'll tell you a lot.

 

[headimonster]

this looks like broad mites to me, potentially, if you've ruled out the other variables; have you checked these leaves with at least a 30x microscope and literally scoured them looking for eggs or hatchlings, adults?

i saw another member mention flush; might not be abad idea, just dont ever flush your coco with pure water , try a "rinse" product with 25% nutrient formula, & cal-mag if using R/O, this will help bind the molecules to the potential salt build up in the medium allowing for an easier rinse, and also could potentially rebuffer the coco allowing the right cations... you should be okay with about 30% run-off to continue....(depending on how long you've been running "hot"-if at all)

coco can be tricky but very forgiving, i personally love it,....takes some time to really figure it out tho if you've been a soil farmer prior.

 

[DrBagseed]

this looks like broad mites to me, potentially, if you've ruled out the other variables; have you checked these leaves with at least a 30x microscope and literally scoured them looking for eggs or hatchlings, adults?

i saw another member mention flush; might not be abad idea, just dont ever flush your coco with pure water , try a "rinse" product with 25% nutrient formula, & cal-mag if using R/O, this will help bind the molecules to the potential salt build up in the medium allowing for an easier rinse, and also could potentially rebuffer the coco allowing the right cations... you should be okay with about 30% run-off to continue....(depending on how long you've been running "hot"-if at all)

coco can be tricky but very forgiving, i personally love it,....takes some time to really figure it out tho if you've been a soil farmer prior.

Having never heard of broad mites before, a bit of reading scared me taken into consideration that there actually were a few leaves with a plastic-like look that others have reported. I'm going to check them for eggs and other unusual things but I really don't think I have mites, this is the first grow I've done here(first time grower) so I don't know where they could stem from. If broad mites were the case it must have been contaminated coco probably? I doubt canna is selling contaminated coco but you never know. Could they come from bad rh etc?

I haven't ruled out anything but I've been under the impression that the plants were getting healthier recently, and from the quick reading I did on broad mites, they would probably be getting worse and worse if I had them, right?

 

[stoned40yrs]

First grow ever and popping seeds, canna coco. No frikken way you have broad mites DBS.

 

[headimonster]

Having never heard of broad mites before, a bit of reading scared me taken into consideration that there actually were a few leaves with a plastic-like look that others have reported. I'm going to check them for eggs and other unusual things but I really don't think I have mites, this is the first grow I've done here(first time grower) so I don't know where they could stem from. If broad mites were the case it must have been contaminated coco probably? I doubt canna is selling contaminated coco but you never know. Could they come from bad rh etc?

I haven't ruled out anything but I've been under the impression that the plants were getting healthier recently, and from the quick reading I did on broad mites, they would probably be getting worse and worse if I had them, right?

Bad RH? whats that ? generally i notice, they come from anywhere, these things are .2mm big at best, i have changed my methods of cleanliness, filters on any intake/ gaps sealed, change to sterile(or clean lol) clothing every time i enter my room, once you dunk your girls in veg with some broad mite death solution, look up translaminar and just IPM broad mite strategys....if you got your cuts from someone else, this could've been the culprit. i think you said you were doin seeds tho, cant remember....hydro stores can be great places these guys live, or lay dormant, i ALWAYS wipe down anything i get from there with a h2o2 solution rag just to be sure if i am bringing the product's packaging into the grow lab. and change the clothes i wore at the store, or outside at all with fresh clothing....shower beforehand, (can be a bitch but so can these bugs)...i've seen crops change from death to "killin it" with a IPM strategy....btw IPM stands for integrated pest management; it basically means CHANGE spray solutions so you dont get super mites that are resistant to the whatever it is you were spraying them with....floramite in my area does NOT work because of the proliferation of gardeners using it for pest control....darwin's great law teaches us that those that want to survive will find a way....and evolve \\....

and for those thinkin the govt dropping them...theese things have been around since the late 1800s, with everyone growing now, there is not much "quality control" so to speak, or just not knowing about these things could be an issue...

hope you find your issue, i will try to stay tuned to this thread , so keep me updated,

 

[DrBagseed]

Bad RH? whats that ? generally i notice, they come from anywhere, these things are .2mm big at best, i have changed my methods of cleanliness, filters on any intake/ gaps sealed, change to sterile(or clean lol) clothing every time i enter my room, once you dunk your girls in veg with some broad mite death solution, look up translaminar and just IPM broad mite strategys....if you got your cuts from someone else, this could've been the culprit. i think you said you were doin seeds tho, cant remember....hydro stores can be great places these guys live, or lay dormant, i ALWAYS wipe down anything i get from there with a h2o2 solution rag just to be sure if i am bringing the product's packaging into the grow lab. and change the clothes i wore at the store, or outside at all with fresh clothing....shower beforehand, (can be a bitch but so can these bugs)...i've seen crops change from death to "killin it" with a IPM strategy....btw IPM stands for integrated pest management; it basically means CHANGE spray solutions so you dont get super mites that are resistant to the whatever it is you were spraying them with....floramite in my area does NOT work because of the proliferation of gardeners using it for pest control....darwin's great law teaches us that those that want to survive will find a way....and evolve \\....

and for those thinkin the govt dropping them...theese things have been around since the late 1800s, with everyone growing now, there is not much "quality control" so to speak, or just not knowing about these things could be an issue...

hope you find your issue, i will try to stay tuned to this thread , so keep me updated,

Bad rh, too low/high humidity, I was gonna buy a meter today to check it but I didn't get around to it.
I'm just really thinking that it's other issues than broad mites and I wouldn't even be able to get a hold of any products specified for defeating it within reasonable time. If it really is mites I think I've met a dead end when it comes to growing, seems like to much for me to learn to even want to go on. BUT since the plants are getting healthier day for day I just don't think it can be infected.
Yeah, they are from seed too so that kinda rules out a few possibilities of contamination. I've only ordered stuff so I haven't been to any hydro stores either and I doubt the items have been contaminated. As I see it if I have broad mites I have no chance of removing them because I don't know the source.

Lets just hope the plants keep getting better over the next few days so it will be 100% sure that it is not broad mites. I haven't been in the tent yet only early this morning but I'm going to check on them soon. I'll keep updating the thread with whatever new is going on.

Have a great day ppl

 

[stoned40yrs]

Your plants don't look bad at all DBS, no need to stress over minor stuff. You're doing fine, let em grow.

 

[DrBagseed]

Your plants don't look bad at all DBS, no need to stress over minor stuff. You're doing fine, let em grow.

Needed to hear that now. Just dropped the fan on one of the big plants and almost completely destroyed it.... About to fucking cry. "Good night.".............!,,,,

 

[budleydoright]

Your plants don't look bad at all DBS, no need to stress over minor stuff. You're doing fine, let em grow.

I agree. Too much attention is often what brings a newb down.

 

[papaduc]

Everything looks like broad mites to some people. Don't read too much into it. Plants can go their whole life carrying a bug or pest of some sort and it not affect the yield, such as thrips etc. You can deal with that easily. Other pests will give you more problems and, if you've got them, you'll know about it.

Your plants are fine, they're growing well, and as long as you get the right things together and apply the right practices, you'll be sound. No doubt about it.

Dropping something on a plant is never a good way to kill it either Btw It'll bounce back, even minus a few branches.

 

[DrBagseed]

Everything looks like broad mites to some people. Don't read too much into it. Plants can go their whole life carrying a bug or pest of some sort and it not affect the yield, such as thrips etc. You can deal with that easily. Other pests will give you more problems and, if you've got them, you'll know about it.

Your plants are fine, they're growing well, and as long as you get the right things together and apply the right practices, you'll be sound. No doubt about it.

Dropping something on a plant is never a good way to kill it either Btw It'll bounce back, even minus a few branches.

I think its safe to say it isn't broad mites then which is a great relief, they're not getting worse and from my limited knowledge they do not look like they are infected in any way. So fingers crossed.

Thanks, its good to hear that. I was almost re-thinking the whole thing about starting to grow last night when shit literally hit the fan. You are right, the plant is doing better again today already, minus one branch and some sets of fan leaves + some leaves with a few wounds, I dont think this will have much overall impact on it. btw, wont be able to get rh meter before monday now, I was too late to the shops.. -.-

 

[wildgrow]

Light = energy for the plant, but people take that right out of context and assume the more intense the better; the more energy it will get. That's not right. You've got to balance it out.

Too close will increase the heat, the leaves can't transpire properly and the plant can't process the light. When that happens you get signs. Those are what you saw. Sometimes it can happen even when the light is up high enough, because the plant just can't process the energy for whatever reason, but those were the signs your plant was showing.

I have a plant Ive grown under a 400, 600 and now 1000. Its stellar under the 400 and looks like it wants to die under the 1000. Her performance and appearance fell off with each upgrade.

Moved her to a spot off to the side of the space between the lights and she perked up overnight.

 

[DrBagseed]

Soo.. here are some pictures.

This picture is right after trying to get the plant as upright as possible after the fan hitting it.

This one is from today, about 12 hours after the accident so it seems to not have done any serious damage except a missing branch and some leaves.

But now I'm starting to get a new problem with most of the mazari plants. They have all started to pre flower and some almost look like they're gonna start budding anytime. Look at the leaf structure.

Im a bit concerned that letting them veg in this state will stress them out and make them go hermie or something. I have around 1 more month of veg planned but by the looks of it that might be to long by the looks of it..

 

[Jnugg]

Non autoflower plants will begin to show preflowers when sexually mature and it's perfectly normal bro and continuing to veg them will do no harm.

 

[DrBagseed]

Non autoflower plants will begin to show preflowers when sexually mature and it's perfectly normal bro and continuing to veg them will do no harm.

It's so odd, nearly all of the non-auto's showed pistils before the auto flowers which is just now starting to sex. I both wish and think it was the other way around. Anyways, all the growth at the top that was looking like a bunch of pistils was leaves, but there's still loads though.

Here is an update from the tent, the smallest one in the upper right corner is the one that got in the accident yesterday, you can see it looks pretty small compared to the others now.
Day 27 possibly day 28 so close to a month now.