Megayields re-birth - Pheonix rising

[Shcrews]

Blue Dream is pretty much going to give you the best returns on investment. Any one who says they're having trouble growing blue dream are either growing it crappy or don't have brokers who are serious about moving out door.

After reading Schrews thread I think we are going to pass on the GH Blue Dream....it's just isn't "commercially" profitable to grow anymore, (sigh) some of THE best weed I ever grew was BD, when you let it go 14 weeks it get's that "hazy" blue look that you can TELL even looking through the plastic bag.......

What iced the cake for me was when you said because Schrews isn't growing blue dream, neither am I! You guys need to send that blue dream isn't commercially viable memo to the rest of Cali ... Blue dream is that Workhorse!

My ears were burning...

ok first of all, Megayields and myself are both from the 831, the birthplace of Blueberry Haze (aka Blue Dream). I started seeing BD around 2005, at first only indoor batches at 4k/pound back in those days. I will never hate on Blue Dream, it is a tasty cut that produces incredible yields... Backyard Farmer, i probably grew Blue Dream long before you got her.

However.... fast forward 8 years and now everyone has jumped on the Blue Dream gravey train. The shit is so blown up in california that it's not even funny. People in my circles roll their eyes when they hear it. Blue Dream is great if you are shipping all your stuff out of california. I cater to top-shelf dispensaries in Cali and believe me, they have seen enough outdoor blue dream to last a lifetime.

lets break down some fantasy numbers:

option A: grow 10lbs blue dream plant, sell for 1200/lb .... may take weeks or even months to sell in cali.
option B: grow 5lbs kush plant, sell for 2000/lb .... well sell in a matter of days.



but according BackYard Farmer if you are growing commercial outdoors then surely your entire garden must consist of Blue Dream!!!

(Backyard Farmer please feel free to ignore this post just as you tend to selectively avoid any response to your random spewing of bad vibes across ICmag.)



Mega: good luck with the Greenhouses! i take it you are doing 4 20x40's in keeping with the new Santa Cruz County 3000 sq ft canopy ordinance?

 

[Backyard Farmer]

I'd take the extra 2000 dollars, but that's just me.

 

[Eureka Springs Organics]

I have been waiting for the resurrection. Glad to see the time has come.

 

[Shcrews]

I'd take the extra 2000 dollars, but that's just me.

but what if that $2000 extra means sitting on product for an additional month? Because in cali, Blue Dream does take longer to sell than kush. At this point it becomes a matter of cost-benefit analysis, where the individual grower's decision depends on his ability/willingness to sit on product thru the winter.

my point is, there is no definite answer.

and for you, Backyard Farmer, to keep parroting "grow blue dream!!!" like some kind of psychotic high-school cheerleader, is not only shortsighted but also highly suspect.... So I must ask, does your entire garden consist of Blue Dream? if not then why?

 

[Backyard Farmer]

My ears were burning...

ok first of all, Megayields and myself are both from the 831, the birthplace of Blueberry Haze (aka Blue Dream). I started seeing BD around 2005, at first only indoor batches at 4k/pound back in those days. I will never hate on Blue Dream, it is a tasty cut that produces incredible yields... Backyard Farmer, i probably grew Blue Dream long before you got her.

Schrews, I can guarantee you haven't. Blue dream has been in humboldt since before you started to see it!

However.... fast forward 8 years and now everyone has jumped on the Blue Dream gravey train. The shit is so blown up in california that it's not even funny. People in my circles roll their eyes when they hear it. Blue Dream is great if you are shipping all your stuff out of california. I cater to top-shelf dispensaries in Cali and believe me, they have seen enough outdoor blue dream to last a lifetime.

so what you're saying here is you drive around to clubs to get your gear off because you're not plugged in to the export market, where 99% of Cali outdoor gets funneled? You must visit hella clubs, I know of a few clubs in the bay that will cash me out for packs, but they don't want more than 3 units of any type at a time..what a hassle it's gotta be to clear out 200+ units like that! You guys need to meet some brokers!


I can see how people would roll their eyes at shitty blue dream, that's what you see more often than not. The people I deal with also roll their eyes at blue dream but guess what they'll pay 1300 for blue dream all day and those 2000 Kush packs will just sit because this is a business. Who cares if blue dream is played out? It's a workhorse and you're not growing 200+ lbs for your head so I'm curious why even bring that in to play? It's a marketable product, big time..

lets break down some fantasy numbers:

option A: grow 10lbs blue dream plant, sell for 1200/lb .... may take weeks or even months to sell in cali.

this may be true but an export broker will snap up all those 1300 dollar blue dreams instantly and laugh at you for trying to charge 2k for Kush..

option B: grow 5lbs kush plant, sell for 2000/lb .... well sell in a matter of days.

blue dream still makes more money..

you're extremely optimistic in projecting a 5lb average on your Kush plants...I grew the SFV twist and got it to break 5 in 2012 but it took an incredible amount of effort and they were in the ground..did you even have ONE five LB individual last year to claim a 5 LB average in your fantasy math on notoriously low yielding genetics? I'd rather have 12000 dollars than 10000 dollars any day of the week


but according BackYard Farmer if you are growing commercial outdoors then surely your entire garden must consist of Blue Dream!!!

if you're growing "commercial" outside you have more than 24-36 plants first of all, and yes if you're not able to plant 50+ plants , yes I do recommend every time you grow all blue dream! You get one chance to grow full term trees every year and when you're limited on how many trees you can grow, knowingly growing less weed because you don't want to have blue dream, to me, as a commercial grower, isn't smart business.

(Backyard Farmer please feel free to ignore this post just as you tend to selectively avoid any response to your random spewing of bad vibes across ICmag.)

is this a direct enough answer? Is it bad vibes to provide direct concise advice based in experience? Or is it just you hearing something you don't want to hear? I'm guessing the latter.


Mega: good luck with the Greenhouses! i take it you are doing 4 20x40's in keeping with the new Santa Cruz County 3000 sq ft canopy ordinance?

 

[Backyard Farmer]

I actually have no blue dream because my farm doesn't have the fall climate for it, if I did I'd have 1/3 blue dream in a heart beat.

Instead I just have 80 full term trees and am happy with the big ones being 7s and 8s,

We just started doing 2 22x48 steel frame green houses, I'll be doing one blue dream in a 10x10 this year, just to grow a double digit plant.

In the export market you'll wait till summer to sell expensive Kush packs. You get money for good blue dream easier.

 

[Shcrews]

ok well, Backyard Farmer it's Mega's thread so i'm not going to sit here and nitpick your argument like you did mine, but basically here is how i see it:

--you seem to think that every Blue Dream plant that somebody grows in a big pot will become a 10lbs tree, but that kushes will struggle to hit 5lbs simply because you couldn't manage it.

-you ship most your weed out of california. good job. congrats. i dont. But i know people who ship 1000's of lbs per year, and THEY don't grow blue dream....... they grow Bubba kush. I've seen big 8lb plants of it. And it commands a much higher inter-state market price than Blue Dream. I do know what i'm talking about.


BTW you mentioned that your farm doesn't have the "fall climate" to grow blue dream.... SO i assume you have tried her and moved on. But i am wondering, in your experience what is a good fall climate for growing Blue Dream? What makes your fall climate unfavorable? Have you taken each individual grower's "fall climate" into consideration each and every time you parrot for them to "grow blue dream"?


what are your thoughts Backyard Farmer, Mr. "i could barely manage to get 5lbs off a kush plant"?

 

[Backyard Farmer]

No, I never tried it because I already know I can't finish it where my farm is.

You need good weather in to November to finish blue dream properly IMO. Unless it is the perfect year, after October 15 you need to be done here or you risk having stuff freeze up.

Yes I do take this in to account when recommending blue dream. Would I tell some on here in the trinity river valley to grow blue dream? Hell no! But in areas like Nevada co, placer co, butte co...not doing blue dream is leaving money on the table.

I disregard stuff like platinum bubba and hardcore triple xxx og , all that stuff to me is hybridized plants to get the yield...and severely lack in quality when compared to the SFV or 98 bubba I'd like to see some one take a verified Bubba plant and make it 5 lbs... LoL...it just won't happen.

My buddy has had bubba Kush since 1998, if it was going to happen, it would have already.

 

[Shcrews]

I disregard stuff like platinum bubba and hardcore triple xxx og , all that stuff to me is hybridized plants to get the yield...and severely lack in quality when compared to the SFV or 98 bubba I'd like to see some one take a verified Bubba plant and make it 5 lbs... LoL...it just won't happen.

My buddy has had bubba Kush since 1998, if it was going to happen, it would have already.

OK i now have to write you off as a troll. that is pure nonsense! I have grown pre-98 bubba AND platinum bubba outdoors, and both are phenomenal smoke. Your assertion that the only good kush strains are SFV and pre-98 (both notoriously average yielders) is ridiculous. Have you smoked Hardcore OG Woody OG Diablo OG Ghost OG Tahoe OG etc...? if so, you would know they don't "severely lack in quality" compared to SFV. don't nitpick me here i know none of those are yielders but neither is SFV

"hybridized plants to get the yield" isn't that what Blue Dream is?!?!

what the fuck are you talking about? people shouldn't grow hybrids? what??? and WTF do you mean "verified bubba plant"? verified by whom? I have personally seen 8lbs sticky stinky Bubba kush plants. If you are calling me a liar then go fuck yourself you bloated gaping pink sock

I should quote your idiocy in my sig for posterity but i won't allow you that privelege

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Schrews it seems like you have trouble reading.

What I'm saying is you probably aren't tending the same plants and a majority of 'Kush' plants out there are bubba and SFV crosses that pale in comparison to the original parent in quality, they were created for yield.. So I write them off. There is no point in growing a Kush cross IMO, if you want yield grow green crack and blue dream..if you want the quality take the hit and I'll give you the real bubba and you can tell me how great of an outdoor plant it is..lol

 

[Shcrews]

Schrews it seems like you have trouble reading.

What I'm saying is you probably aren't tending the same plants and a majority of 'Kush' plants out there are bubba and SFV crosses that pale in comparison to the original parent in quality, they were created for yield.. So I write them off. There is no point in growing a Kush cross IMO, if you want yield grow green crack and blue dream..if you want the quality take the hit and I'll give you the real bubba and you can tell me how great of an outdoor plant it is..lol

Ok the part of your quote i put in bold is total bullshit, pulled out of your ass.. The statistics do not exist to support any statement regarding a "majority of kush plants". if you want to spout false generalizations about weed then please put a disclaimer ahead of your bullshit claims. Motherfucker I actually went to college, where i learned how to properly measure and interpret statistics..., Unlike you. ya simple country fuck. No trouble reading here.


also...

1. i highly doubt you would give me "the real bubba" even if you could. But i have grown pre-98. Know a guy who's been running her indoors in the middle of Los Feliz since the 90's making a killing.

2. You are dead wrong. Many crosses are as good, or even better than their parents. I am not alone in my opinion that Platinum Bubba is just as good smoke as pre-98 bubba. they are both AAA quality. to say otherwise is ignorant. Although i suppose we could argue over subjective traits e.g. aroma, taste, hue of the fan leaves etc...

I hate to burst your bubble Backyard Farmer aka Veg-n-out but (a.) you're full of shit and (b.) most people in 831 (Megayield's area) are sick of growing Blue Dream

Sorry for the interruption Mega, just this fuckin troll...

 

[megayields]

ughhhh I was hoping this thread would not degenerate into this....ummm everyone is welcome...I'm sorry if I offended anyone......I'll just be quiet until I have some pics to put up.....Schrews you know I respect your work, BF well your welcome but please let's just all try and be civil.

I know even I have a short fuse sometimes.

 

[ponobegone]

positive vibrations for your thread brother

 

[GanjaRebelSeeds]

Can't we all just grow some weed?

 

[megayields]

My ears were burning...

ok first of all, Megayields and myself are both from the 831, the birthplace of Blueberry Haze (aka Blue Dream). I started seeing BD around 2005, at first only indoor batches at 4k/pound back in those days. I will never hate on Blue Dream, it is a tasty cut that produces incredible yields... Backyard Farmer, i probably grew Blue Dream long before you got her.

However.... fast forward 8 years and now everyone has jumped on the Blue Dream gravey train. The shit is so blown up in california that it's not even funny. People in my circles roll their eyes when they hear it. Blue Dream is great if you are shipping all your stuff out of california. I cater to top-shelf dispensaries in Cali and believe me, they have seen enough outdoor blue dream to last a lifetime.

lets break down some fantasy numbers:

option A: grow 10lbs blue dream plant, sell for 1200/lb .... may take weeks or even months to sell in cali.
option B: grow 5lbs kush plant, sell for 2000/lb .... well sell in a matter of days.



but according BackYard Farmer if you are growing commercial outdoors then surely your entire garden must consist of Blue Dream!!!

(Backyard Farmer please feel free to ignore this post just as you tend to selectively avoid any response to your random spewing of bad vibes across ICmag.)



Mega: good luck with the Greenhouses! i take it you are doing 4 20x40's in keeping with the new Santa Cruz County 3000 sq ft canopy ordinance?

It ain't in SC county or 831 AT ALL.....let just say that (wink)

 

[megayields]

OK what is currently going in is a whole lot of NOTHING..........I do not OWN the property or have quick access to it, it's multiple hours from me, my job was/is to move as MUCH of the leftover greenhouse materials from down south (last years massive fuck up) including very special IR/UV diffusive greenhouse 5 mill covering material, a shit ton of PVC piping, and another shit ton of black irrigation tubing, manifolds, connectors etc) I will be living on the property once it's all ready, doing my share of the day to day watering, trellising/cage building, feeding etc that is necessary and of course spending the last 3 weeks 24 x 7 during flowering and trimming season, remember this is a rotating harvest spread over 4 GH's to reduce and spread out the trimming problem and also to do 2 "light-dep" GH's for earlier harvest and some operational cash. I believe I will be up their starting in late April, but could be their sooner, that decision is NOT mine though.

My partner OWNS the property and he is in charge of getting the correct legal entity set up (almost done), all scripts collected (all done), and preparing the "farm" we have two fences and wind screen he will be hiring a mexican crew to build - that started already and one fence, the far outside one that will have a 7' wind screen/view shield is already built, the 2nd fence (surrounding the GH's that we will also have a couple of dogs inside along with a RV and outside shower) is still being built. He is also in charge of our current vegging process which is up and running and we are "pheno" hunting a bit and getting our 1st GH's plants ready, this is ALL offsite to not run into a over Federal numbers issue. Later on we will be building a metal prefab garage/large storage area with roll up door for working on tractor AND having an indoor area for small veg area/clone area as (again for subterfuge) a working organic farm will be surrounding the fenced in greenhouse's.

He also wants to start building a 5' 7' dirt berm around the WHOLE greenhouse area and move several shipping container's (already on site for storage and curing/drying area's) to shield from "prying eyes"....this will be a work in progress as we will not complete it until mid summer. We have a well on site with great water pressure and have to install one main line into the inner security fence which should be done in 2 weeks.

That's it for now......this won't be a very detailed thread so if that bother's you feel free to not follow it, it is mainly for a "few" good friends who I know care, all are welcome...but I'm really not that into IC Mag anymore...I need to focus on this year and make this work.

 

[Eureka Springs Organics]

I can't wait to see this completely up and running. This is one hell of a project to take on.

 

[theJointedOne]

Schrews - if you read this I would like to talk to you can you PM me privately please.

Why the heck are you asking him here, why didnt you just write a pm? Unless your trying to come across as important lol you sound like his dad or something lol

 

[megayields]

Why the heck are you asking him here, why didnt you just write a pm? Unless your trying to come across as important lol you sound like his dad or something lol

your right.......

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Dirt berm around the GH with shipping container fence sounds like you're going to shade out your stuff..

Best of luck this year. That's a shit load of work to do really fast.