Its Always Sunny In My Closet

[arizona_bay]

Hey-O!

Id like you to meet my babies Frank and Charlie.

when I first decided too offer my closet up as an orphanage to baby clones I didnt realise what I was getting into.I went into this with no knowledge at all and Frank and Charlie did not have a good first home.my initial setup was primitive it was some panda and a 400watt shade.no fans no carbon filter it didn't take long to figure out this setup would not be sufficient.After about a month Frank and Charlie began to smell and it was at this time I got lucky and bumped into some good advise. so this is the new setup. this is day 15 of flower about 50 days vege (terrible conditions mostly).

the details
1 white rino
1 big bud
this is what i was told when i got the clones no idea if thats what they actually are we will see.

1 closet
100mm inline fan details unknown
100 *400mm carbon filter
400 watt hps bulb
cool tube
3 passive intakes
1 100mm inline fan for directly on the plants
1 temp gauge

soil
http://www.yates.co.nz/products/pot...urpose-potting-mix/yates-premium-potting-mix/
this is the soil i used however i ran out so the soil at the bottom is from the garden.retarded yes, this occurred pre to me bumping into the good advise and the stores were shut at the time.

plants run 12/12 but were on 20/4 and 18/6 during vege
i feed the plants usually once every 3 days or so every 2nd feed (during flowering) gets 1ml per litre of terra flores plant food ph to 6.5.
I used agromec for protection against the borg etc.

usually the temps don't get above 28degrees Celsius (screw this Fahrenheit bullsh1t you backwards imperial Americans
and humidity is around 40%.

anyway if you have read this far comment! i need to get my post count up.what are your thoughts.I have put this up in a hurry to have missed lots of details so if you want them ask.pic requests? any guesses on yield?

 

[Stress_test]

Can ya translate the plant count into imperial numbers for us? I don't understand meterics

 

[b8man]

Charlie. I love that little guy. Is green man gonna make an appearance?

Sweet Dee should b a strain too.

 

[FallenBuddha]

What type of soil mix are you using? something like a bagged mix, or peat with earthworm castings and perelite, or coir? inquiring minds want to know... welcome by the way, always remember smoke always tastes better when you grow it yourself.

peace -fb

 

[Big Eggy]

1st grow yeild?? you've got a pretty good setup so lets assume you get 0.5g / watt = 200grams or 7oz.

They look very sativa dom so you might have a bit of a wait.. also if it is Big Bud you'll want to lower your RH to aviod Bud Rot.

good luck!

Eggy

 

[Weird]

would love to see the girls in regular light

 

[pinecone]

1st grow yeild?? you've got a pretty good setup so lets assume you get 0.5g / watt = 200grams or 7oz.

I think about it a bit differently in these sorts of setups. It looks like those are 12" pots, so OP is using a bit more than 2 square feet of canopy (say 2.5ft^2 or 0.21m^2). In my experience you are doing extremely if you can pull 2oz per square foot under a 400w lamp with unknown plants, even with small footprints where there is a lot more than 50w per square foot. Thus, a very good yield from this grow would be about 5oz (0.14kg), but I would expect a bit less.

@ arizona_bay:I have been growing in a similar space for some time. In my opinion the way to maximize yield in spaces like ours is to make sure that you are using the space efficiently. In the case of your garden it doesn't look like the space is being used efficiently as there is quite a bit of light hitting the floor. Next time you want to make sure that have enough plant material to fill the entire canopy under your light. You can achieve this objective by vegging larger plants or by having more plants. Any light that hits the floor is wasted.

My advice is not to get too caught up in with yield (and especially efficiency measures) unless your space is set up efficiently (our's is not) and you are growing known plants that are selected for yield (among other things). If you don't have these two things going for you focus on using the space that you do have efficiently and maintaining healthy plants throughout the life cycle. With time you will establish your own space-specific yield-efficiency benchmarks.

Good Luck!

Pine

 

[Big Eggy]

Well put Pine!

 

[camoxnhx]

SWEET THREAD! its always nice seeing someone take it some fallen soldiers and show them a little love and appreciation and now look at em..... BEAUTIFUL. for sure want to see them in normal light. if you want to avoid all the lines from the hps use some sunglasses to put over your camera lens and that will alleviate all the hps lines. But i got my seat posted up!

 

[arizona_bay]

edittd first post with info on soil.heres some pics out of the light as requested.

im getting yellowing of the older leaves down the bottom any ideas as to why? you can see it in one of the pictures (3rd to last) with the teddy leaning on plant.

 

[hand_rolled]

think you should change your title from always sunny to always hazy. looking good man.

 

[camoxnhx]

its the plant natural process of using nutrients that are stored. Any leaves dying or branches towards the lower part of the plant have no plant materials on it id cut them off. like from a 1/4 of the plant down so it can focus all the plants flora hormones to the tops of the plants. i do this with all my plants. also allows for good air flow under the plants.

 

[arizona_bay]

its the plant natural process of using nutrients that are stored. Any leaves dying or branches towards the lower part of the plant have no plant materials on it id cut them off. like from a 1/4 of the plant down so it can focus all the plants flora hormones to the tops of the plants. i do this with all my plants. also allows for good air flow under the plants.

oh ok well you cant see it in any of the photos I have taken (next time the light comes on il get some more) but I stripped the bottom of the plants right back with the aim of only having leaves and flowers in direct light (I dont think i succeeded completely in this regard).I did this on the last day of vege.I was under the impression is was bad to strip the plant during flower and if the leaves are dying due to using up their nutrients shouldn't i let it die/use nutrients up? I was told the plants leaves would start yellowing but not till much later.

anyway im gana go use the search function before someone tells me too lol.

 

[pinecone]

i ran out so the soil at the bottom is from the garden.retarded yes, this occurred pre to me bumping into the good advise and the stores were shut at the time.

There might be some benefits from using good garden soil, top soil, or forest duff in your container mix. Some growers are moving this direction.

"Thinking of using local soil...maybe"- https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=153542

im getting yellowing of the older leaves down the bottom any ideas as to why? you can see it in one of the pictures (3rd to last) with the teddy leaning on plant.

The yellowing and dying off of lower leafs in flower is called senescence. It is pretty common. I always see this to some degree in my own grows, but it has been more apparent with sativas. With most stativas I've grown anything that is shaded in flowering is yellowing and dying off. This can leave a meter high plant with only 10" of foliage. The thing to watch out as sign of a problem is is any yellowing, discoloration, or necrosis at the top of the plant.

"Yellowing is not necessarily a lack of N" - https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=190022

Pine

 

[camoxnhx]

hit it right on the money pine. Sativas for sure start to yellow about 2-3 weeks into flower unlike indicas which the senescence later into flower.

i usually strip my bottom branches 1-2 weeks into flowering (if starting from seed to sex and pull my females) or if i have clones i do it before flowering to get cuttings to carry on that strain. We call this "LOLIPOPPING". even if you dont clone those cuttings you are doing good for your ladys.

 

[arizona_bay]

got bored so added pic of my nutrients.

 

[arizona_bay]

ok sadly I cant post up pics due to an error but pics will be up tomorrow.started a grow diary (just a wee note book) so i can keep track of things.alright lets get down to it.

feeding issues. over watering like a noob

ok so heres what I have been doing.since flowering has began I have feed the plants 4 times im on day 19 btw (which is inconsistent with previous posts i know).the last watering was on day 13 to decide whether they wanted watering or not i woud just touch the soil and check the weight.i was feeding them every 3 days ish with 5 litres of water 2.5 litres each ph 6.5 (cheap ph tester kit god i want a electronic ph tester so bad). every 2nd feed got 1ml of nutrients per litre.i haven't been emptying the trays at the bottom at any point I just let the tray full up and the plant drink the water up over the next day or so.so it become apparent to me that something was wrong when water was sitting at the bottom of charlies tray for days.it disappeared eventually on day 18.charlies leaves have got a bit of brown on some of them (i suspect from overwatering).frank seems to be doing ok and doesnt look like crap like charlie both their soils are still moist so they dont need feeding yet but thats coming up 6 days tomorrow how abnormal is this?

things im going to change
im going to monitor how i feed them more closely
im going empty the trays so they dont sit in water
im going to let the water sit for an hour before feeding
im noticed how much of a difference there is between the two plants in how much they drink so im going to try account for this more.

pictures speck a thousand words so il get them up as soon as possible.

what are your thoughts?

 

[camoxnhx]

ok so heres what I have been doing.since flowering has began I have feed the plants 4 times im on day 19 btw (which is inconsistent with previous posts i know).the last watering was on day 13 to decide whether they wanted watering or not i woud just touch the soil and check the weight.i was feeding them every 3 days ish with 5 litres of water 2.5 litres each ph 6.5 (cheap ph tester kit god i want a electronic ph tester so bad). every 2nd feed got 1ml of nutrients per litre

Now on some of my ladys when i was in soil (grew in soil for 6 years indoor and Outdoor now in Deep Water Culture or DWC) and some of my plants didnt need any watering for 5-7 days at times and seemed to thrive. you dont want to water to much (you already know you have been which is a +). lack of O2 and moister can cause root rot, stunted growth and yeild and none of these is what you want. the lifting of the pots and the knuckle deep work well but NOT all the time. try to give your girls like 4-5 days without watering and inbetween every 3-4 nutrient waterings flush your soil with triple the amount of water to what the pot holds for soil so you can help reduce the salt build up.

i haven't been emptying the trays at the bottom at any point I just let the tray full up and the plant drink the water up over the next day or so.so it become apparent to me that something was wrong when water was sitting at the bottom of charlies tray for days.it disappeared eventually on day 18.charlies leaves have got a bit of brown on some of them (i suspect from over-watering)

i dunno how big those plants are... I'm guessing around 3-4 1/2 feet tall) but the easiest way of watering and not letting water sit in a tray is to water in a bathtub. its a mission to do but well worth it. It will be easier for the waste water to drain and you wont have to worry about water sitting in the bottom of there tray. or you can build a stand out of some concrete blocks and put down some 2 x 4's and put a rubber made tub underneath to help catch all that excess water. Stagnate water can cause mold, Bugs, and root rot just to name a few. let your soil dry out for about 6-7 days after your last watering so your roots can absorb all the O2. your top of you soil might get hard but it all you gotta do is just rake the top with a fork and you will be good to water.

im going to let the water sit for an hour before feeding

best thing to do is let it sit for 24 hours so all the hard minerals and chlorine can evaporate into the air. the easest way to do that is just fill a 5 gallon bucket and let it sit.

i hope this helps you out a bit. best of luck and keep us posted!!!!!!!

 

[arizona_bay]

first 3 are charlie you can see the pain he is, the leaf discolouration.these photos are from yesterday.it makes me sad that I have does this to charlie.I fear i may have killed him.

2nd 2 are frank hes doing much better.both plants dont need watering yet.

 

[arizona_bay]

https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?...m/ic/album.php?albumid=30589&pictureid=705026 first few are charlie hes not having a good time.2nd few are frank hes doing me proud.ok so last time i mentioned overwatering (grr dont have the details on hand) frank got fed 4ml per litre of nitro soil 4 days ago approximately 10 days after his last feed and charlie got fed yesterday 13 days after his.......... what are your guys thoughts on the state of charlie pics taken day 26.