First grow, want to grow in coco.

[papaduc]

Thanks for easy to follow guidelines. I am able to get the floranova grow but cant seem to find much personal experiences with it, should I just go for the GH floramicro/florabloom? I'm about to confirm my order.

If it's between bloom and micro and floranova, get the floranova.

The only guide you need is to feed at 1.0ec. It's the same with any one part nutrient out there.

Something a lot of people either don't understand or don't acknowledge when talking about growing plants is there are EC amount guides which certain species thrive on. Tomatoes will do equally well as cannabis on 1.0ec of basic plant food. Almost every single strain you encounter will eat pretty much the same amount of nutes through the growth stage.

Only when they get bigger will you have to adjust your ec up or down by 0.2. It's a very simple thing to do.

If you've already ordered the bloom and micro it's no problem.
The only reason I recommend 1-part feeds like CNS, formulex and floranova etc, is because they're as good as the 2 and 3 parters like canna and GH, and they're pour and feed. It's one less thing to think about.

Like DHF says, silica will add silicates to nutes that don't contain them.
If you do buy it, remember it increases your Ph by a lot. Adjust your Ph back down to a reasonable range before you add your nutes if you use silica.

 

[DHF]

Get the floranova grow.

The only guide you need is to feed at 1.0ec. It's the same with any one part nutrient out there.

Something a lot of people either don't understand or don't acknowledge when talking about growing plants is there are EC amount guides which certain species thrive on. Tomatoes will do equally well on 1.0ec of basic plant food, cannabis will do the same. Almost every single strain you encounter will eat pretty much the same amount of nutes through the growth stage.

Only when they get bigger will you have to adjust your ec up or down by 0.2. It's a very simple thing to do. If you know what a hungry or overfed plant looks like you're good to make those adjustments. If you don't, just post a picture.

If you've already ordered the bloom and micro you can use that as well. The only reason I recommend 1-part feeds like CNS, formulex and floranova etc, is because they're as good as the 2 and 3 parters like canna and GH, and they're pour and feed. It's one less thing to think about.

The only difference is obviously you'll have to make up the ratios yourself, which, in my opinion is a pointless thing for any newbie to do and will give you no better results than a one part feed. I've used the GH 3-part series and I wouldn't buy it again. It will do a job though, long as you use it right and keep to the right ec.

Like DHF says, you can get silica but then you'll have to adjust your ph back down before adding in more nutes. I use it but it is optional. If you do buy it, remember it increases your Ph by a lot. Adjust your Ph back down to a reasonable range before you add your nutes if you use silica.

Didn`t see your post above or I`dve left it alone.....

Papaduc`s knowledgeable and experienced , just follow the rules with coco , or things can happen and go sideways.....bet on it.....

Peace....DHF.........

 

[DrBagseed]

The mixed answers aren't going to stop, Marijuana is the cockroach of the plant world. It grows and survives under millions of different conditions Thousands of mentors on here that can lead you down the path to a successful grow using their methods and recipes. I'm no mentor and I'm starting out new in coco also. Have fun and good luck!

Haha, you are right. Thanks for your wishing and I hope your grow turns out good also, good luck

 

[papaduc]

Didn`t see your post above or I`dve left it alone.....

It's cool Freds. I agree with pretty much everything you said and it helps people to make their mind up when someone with your experience gives them a nudge in the right direction. There's a lot of misinformation regarding coco but, like you say, if you get the right stuff, you won't go far wrong.

And on that point..

As for your coco grow, do you have any idea as to why you are having problems right now with nute lockout? Seems to me after reading a bit that with coco, if you know what the problem is you can easily fix it.

The reason Jnugg had problems was because of the coco he chose. Apparently it was very salty and needed lots of rinsing, which if not done properly itself can cause issues with the medium.

And this is what you've got to remember, J told you to buy a certain brand of soil. He said you can't go wrong with that and it's best for beginners. But that doesn't mean soil's easier, it means he followed a golden rule in soil that he didn't in coco - buy a good trusted brand.

If you buy a bad soil, you'll have the same problems as you will if you buy bad coco. Get a good one and take that right out of the equation.

 

[DrBagseed]

If you`re determined to start out with coco , then filter my posts in HGO/Hundred Gram Oz`s thread here , and the post I made in Jnugg`s thread plus the 1 I made in 5th`s thread(coir or husk) couple days ago....and then....since it`s your first run ....

Forget about all the cheap shit or compressed bales and buy the pre-charged/washed and buffered expensive ass Canna fluffed and bagged PLUS their nutrient line , and keep ppm`s/ec low across the board...and yes....

Dripclean @ 1ml per gal from beginning to end of grow is excellent insurance against residual salt buildup , plus no additives just the base nutes till you have couple successful runs , and then down the road....

SM-90 as an innoculant in the medium to prevent rootborn larvae IF there is any from hatching , as well as Botanicare`s "silicablast" @ 5ml per gal for overall plant health and stemwall strength with bigger plants.....and lastly....

I assure you Jnugg`s only trying to help since coco IS a finicky bitch till dialed , but if yas use the expensive shit and learn what to look for as you get used to said medium , you should be good to go....

Trying coco for the first time using ANY product other than as stated above , most likely will put yas in the same boat as Jnugg and 5th with deficiencies , toxicities , PH lockouts and imbalances with crop death right around the corner unless figured out and remedied , and you`ll be wishin you listened to him and went with promix or other soil setups to get a few runs finished......and for the record...

Coco is a "soiless" medium with hydro-like results once yas get environment , watts per sq ft , and strains dialed in , but it ain`t gonna drop in your lap....takes time and runs under yer belt guaranteed....anyways....

Good luck....DHF........

Thanks for the reply DHF. I wish I saw this earlier, I ordered the GH nutes, but I've mailed them to cancel it so I can just go for the CANNA line as I planned to a while ago.
Your answer is somewhat discomforting but I'm going for it. I will check into all the threads you mentioned for advice and I will also star a journal.

I can only hope for no problems, I will follow the canna schedule and I will be watching the plants closely. I'm gonna be reading a lot now while I'm waiting for my equipment to make sure I understand most of what I need to know.

 

[DrBagseed]

If it's between bloom and micro and floranova, get the floranova.

The only guide you need is to feed at 1.0ec. It's the same with any one part nutrient out there.

Something a lot of people either don't understand or don't acknowledge when talking about growing plants is there are EC amount guides which certain species thrive on. Tomatoes will do equally well as cannabis on 1.0ec of basic plant food. Almost every single strain you encounter will eat pretty much the same amount of nutes through the growth stage.

Only when they get bigger will you have to adjust your ec up or down by 0.2. It's a very simple thing to do.

If you've already ordered the bloom and micro it's no problem.
The only reason I recommend 1-part feeds like CNS, formulex and floranova etc, is because they're as good as the 2 and 3 parters like canna and GH, and they're pour and feed. It's one less thing to think about.

Like DHF says, silica will add silicates to nutes that don't contain them.
If you do buy it, remember it increases your Ph by a lot. Adjust your Ph back down to a reasonable range before you add your nutes if you use silica.

After reading DHF's post I was going to cancel my order for florabloom and floramicro, but seeing as he is agreeing with you, would you just go with the florabloom and floramicro?

Im not going to be looking into silica for my first run but it might be handy for my next. thanks for your reply.

 

[papaduc]

Dr.Bagseed, Canna is a good feed. But please take my advice and don't follow the guidelines on any bottle of nutrients. They are not an accurate way to gauge your feed strength. Feed at 1.0ec. That's what you buy your ec pen for. It's a more accurate guide than any bottle.

If you're in the process of cancelling your order, please have a quick read through this thread before you decide what to do:

Beginner coco grow and problems

The fella was having all sorts of problems by following the wrong guides which have been recycled for too long now. Adding calmag in place of his base feed etc...

The end of the same grow and his plant is in this months picture competition. And if you look in on his grows now, he's ticking along smoothly.

Follow the basic rules in growing in general and you really won't go far wrong mate.

 

[papaduc]

After reading DHF's post I was going to cancel my order for florabloom and floramicro, but seeing as he is agreeing with you, would you just go with the florabloom and floramicro?

Im not going to be looking into silica for my first run but it might be handy for my next. thanks for your reply.

Sorry, post timing is killing us here .. I know this is confusing... please bear with me...

Floranova grow is a one part feed. When I say 1-part that means it's just 1 bottle.

It's not the same as flora bloom and micro, which is 2 bottles out of a 3 part set.

I would not get that personally. If it's between that and canna, I'd get the canna.

My first choice would be any 1-part nutrient.

Which of these is available where you're buying:

Floranova grow
Maxi-grow
Formulex
CNS17 coco
cannastart
vitalink coir

 

[DrBagseed]

Sorry, post timing is killing us here .. I know this is confusing... please bear with me...

Floranova grow is a one part feed. When I say 1-part that means it's just 1 bottle.

It's not the same as flora bloom and micro, which is 2 bottles out of a 3 part set.

I would not get that personally. If it's between that and canna, I'd get the canna.

My first choice would be any 1-part nutrient.

Which of these is available where you're buying:

Floranova grow
Maxi-grow
Formulex
CNS17 coco
cannastart
vitalink coir

Yeah, lol. Wish you could edit your posts here.

Oh yeah, dont you have a lot more control if you use 2 or 3 part nutrients compared to 1, but I can understand it makes it a lot easier with 1 part.

The floranova grow is available, would you chose that over canna? I've already sent them a line about wanting to switch but they have probably not even read it yet.

 

[papaduc]

Yeah, lol. Wish you could edit your posts here.

You can after 50 posts I think. I always do mine on email so it's saved as draft if something goes wrong, then edit it and put in a shorter version to replace my waffling on version...

Oh yeah, dont you have a lot more control if you use 2 or 3 part nutrients compared to 1, but I can understand it makes it a lot easier with 1 part.

The theory is 2 or 3 bottles is better than 1.
That 1 is for simplicity but not quality.

Don't believe it. That's my best advice to you.

I've used the GH 3 part, and a few 2-parters. If there was any advantage to using them, believe me, I'd recommend them. There isn't and I won't be buying them again.

There's no more control you need over the vegging stage of growth than a simple balanced base feed.

This is what I do with a bottle of formulex and nothing else. I use it by habit, and because I've got a load of it cheap. But you can replace this with any good veg feed.

Seedling. Fed at 1.0ec at this point



1 week later. Still on 1.0ec



12 days later. Still on roughly 1.0ec of formulex. If she says hungry, She'll get 1.2




In flower you're talking more about control, but even then it's just a case of getting a good base flowering nutrient and replacing some of it with a PK booster.

The floranova grow is available, would you chose that over canna?

I would. But Canna is also a good feed to use.
The simplicity of any 1 part feed is what takes it for me. Pour, PH, and feed. Easy as that.

 

[RetroGrow]

Floranova Bloom=Maxibloom. Same thing. One powder, one liquid. Floranova Grow has no advantage over Floranova Bloom. Bloom can be used throughout the grow, as it has sufficient nitrogen, but Floranova Grow should not be used in flower, as it has too much nitrogen. If you want a one part that is inexpensive, get the Bloom, not the Grow. Maxibloom or Floranova Bloom are the same. Powder is easier to work with, IMO.

 

[Jnugg]

The only advantage to a goid three part line of nutes is the ability to custim tailor your feed...and that's it.

Since it's your first grow I would only recommend you keep things as simple as possible...a 1 part or 2 part like Floranova or Maxibloom (1 part) or Floramicro/Florabloom (2 part).

But,I have always heard good things about Canna Coco and their A and B.

Keep feed at 1.0 to 1.2 EC and pH between 5.8 and 6.2 with 5.8 being ideal because as a plant eats,the EC drops and pH rises,which allows for all macro's and micro's to be taken up....

Hydroponic pH and nutrient uptake chart...

 

[Jnugg]

Exactly,no floranova grow,just floranova bloom...has all the nitrogen you'll need.

Same for the Floramicro/Flora bloom @ 8ml/16ml per gallon.It was found in that ration that floramicro contains all the N your plant needs and why the floragrow was cut out of the equation.

 

[papaduc]

A lot of people, including, to the best of my knowledge, the fella who wrote the original KISS thread, said he reported better growth rates using the maxi-grow than maxi-bloom. A lot of people who use it say the same thing. Floranova bloom is 4-8-7, Maxibloom is 5-15-14

One thing you can guarantee is there's no replacement for a good baseline and reading your plants. A feed like maxi-grow or floranova grow will give you that.

In bloom, Floranova bloom and Maxi-bloom will also give you that.

There's no difference in terms of simplicity in using maxi/floranova-grow through veg and maxi/floranova-bloom through flower.

In terms of using powder vs liquid, what Retro is referring to is that Floranova is very thick. What I do is split it into two bottles when I get it, and dilute the second bottle to use with each feed.

 

[DrBagseed]

You can after 50 posts I think. I always do mine on email so it's saved as draft if something goes wrong, then edit it and put in a shorter version to replace my waffling on version...



The theory is 2 or 3 bottles is better than 1.
That 1 is for simplicity but not quality.

Don't believe it. That's my best advice to you.

I've used the GH 3 part, and a few 2-parters. If there was any advantage to using them, believe me, I'd recommend them. There isn't and I won't be buying them again.

There's no more control you need over the vegging stage of growth than a simple balanced base feed.

This is what I do with a bottle of formulex and nothing else. I use it by habit, and because I've got a load of it cheap. But you can replace this with any good veg feed.

Seedling. Fed at 1.0ec at this point

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=46124&pictureid=1177971View Image

1 week later. Still on 1.0ec

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=46124&pictureid=1177973View Image

12 days later. Still on roughly 1.0ec of formulex. If she says hungry, She'll get 1.2

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=46124&pictureid=1177970View Image


In flower you're talking more about control, but even then it's just a case of getting a good base flowering nutrient and replacing some of it with a PK booster.



I would. But Canna is also a good feed to use.
The simplicity of any 1 part feed is what takes it for me. Pour, PH, and feed. Easy as that.

That about doing it on email sounds like a good idea, probably helps quouting multiple people in 1 post also.

That is some amazing growth on your plant. Seems to be growing quick and branchy as hell.

I really do want it as simple as possible, so you have convinced me about using floranova now, I will buy it if my order doesn't get automatically updated with the canna nutrients I e-mailed them saying I wanted instead of the GH nutrients.
Thanks for your reply, it helps a lot.

 

[DHF]

In all my 20+yrs of growin inside , it was never anything but GH-3 part I used , ONLY cuz it was available at my buddie`s business without having to buy shit online AND where I lived and grew , Hydro shops were/are non - existent...but...

I was told from the get by a krazy ass klown back in the day ta use and dial GH 3 part so I did....I`m sure there`s easier base nutes that work just as well in 1 part bottles , but floranova bloom AND maxibloom 1 part K.I.S.S formulas are still made by GH , so....

The shit`s good enough for NASA , Hell......I figured I`d give em a shot.....and never looked back.....now...The reason I specified Canna juice was for the simple reason of buyin the most expensive coco-specific products there are on the market cuz you ain`t never grown dope Bro , and I did NOT wanna see yas go tits up with no crop at the end of throwin money up a hawg`s ass with no return.....that said....

Papa`s spot on with everything he posts , and he`s got more experience with different juice lines than what I just stuck with and learned backwards and forward , so that`s where we stand at this point in the game....

The big thing with coco is it`s CEC and need for calcium , magnesium , and what few folks know about , holds onto potassium in mid-late bloomage like it does to ca/mag/n in early stages of growth through end of stretch....

The expensive shit helps to do away with these problems ,so....

Once yas got the medium fully charged and buffered , run consistent ppm`s across the board no higher than 750/1.5ec , and if lower ppm`s are maintained , dripclean might not be a necessity.....anyways....

Papaduc can handle this , but you can too by more reading and following the rules of CEC with coco , and lower ppm`s across the board.....

Learnin the rules will letchas go far , but don`t be a stoner and slip up....

Good luck....DHF.........

 

[papaduc]

I will buy it if my order doesn't get automatically updated with the canna nutrients

Even if it does, you'll be ok as long as you treat them right. there's no magic nutrient and once you get the feel for what you're doing you can make any nute work for you.

Remember though, to get growth like that is a matter of more than nutes. You want some good equipment as well as a good idea of when to top etc.

This is that same plant:



Look where she's been topped, and at a young age. From that point she puts her energies into making those main strong branches. Those tiny little shoots are the branches on the other page. Doing it that early is the key to that thick growth from the ground up.

A good PL2 fluorescent is a great start for your seedlings and helps them get that solid base. After that, put them into your final pot, and under your biggest light and watch them fly.

 

[papaduc]

The reason I specified Canna juice was for the simple reason of buyin the most expensive coco-specific products there are on the market

And it's good advice too. You won't go wrong with Canna either.

The only reason I say to get a one part feed is that if someone's having problems, it just takes that one variable away; that they're not mixing them properly. That's literally all it is.

DHF knows his shit. and.....

 

[stoned40yrs]

I really do want it as simple as possible, so you have convinced me about using floranova now, I will buy it if my order doesn't get automatically updated with the canna nutrients I e-mailed them saying I wanted instead of the GH nutrients.
Thanks for your reply, it helps a lot.

Don't finalize that nute order yet, there are still plenty of guys who are going to chime in with their can't lose, simple, bestest nutes to use.
Ya stay away from that GH micro and Bloom and go to Canna, no Floranova. It's too complicted having two bottles of nutes to add into your water anyway. You might get the caps mixed up or forget which one you already poured and double dose yer plants.

 

[papaduc]

It's more a case of it being pointless really. If two bottles worked any better than one, I'd say go for it. They don't. So I say don't.