Cloning Failing? Tried Everything? Found the missing link?

[budleydoright]

I use the exact stuff discussed in the first post purchased at walmart

 

[SourSmoke]

Are there any opinions out there on using the chlorine occasionally on the regular nutrient feeding reservoir for moms? Just to keep it nice and clean? There aren't any beneficias present - just basic CNS salt nutes for veg. Thanks.

 

[Ymir]

I just added mine at the recommended dosage on the front page. Was using 1ml/L of h2o2 and my plants have started to turn around but my res now has some yellow hardened stuff where the waterline used to be and on some of the tubes/wires.

I assume you can't mix h2o2 with this stuff for the added oxygen benefits? Can anybody comment on whether it's dangerous or perhaps one breaks down the other and reduces/eliminates it's benefit.

 

[1nformant]

Here's my cloner

Vermiculte fill, small tray to wick water up through holes you drill into the blue part

http://www.awesomeicecubes.com/previously-featured/water-bottle-ice-cube-tray/

 

[budleydoright]

Are there any opinions out there on using the chlorine occasionally on the regular nutrient feeding reservoir for moms? Just to keep it nice and clean? There aren't any beneficias present - just basic CNS salt nutes for veg. Thanks.

Many do. The pool shock ingredient is popular here as well. This is typically only water culture though.

 

[Ymir]

I'm using this at the recommended dosage and so far haven't seen any negative affect on the plants but it smells pretty strong. Do you guys wait until the smell fades to redose?

 

[StoneyK]

ok ao hate to blow your whole theory out of the water but....
I use nothin but ro.

1000ml of ro
10 ml of clonex
ph 5.5
soak cubes for 5 miutes shake em out 2 or 3 times an let wm soak up more clonex water.
clean scisaors diagonal cut.
poke the hole in your rockwool with scissors before your clone goes in
quick dip in clone gel stick it
dip the bottom 1/3 of the cube every 2-3 days.
I get 100%;success every time with this method.
im one of those jerks who thinks its easy....lol

if your in a xloner id be willing to bet your algea problems are from cloning gel dripoing off an feesing an algea bloom.
no need for the gel in a cloner. and change the water every 2 days or so.
personally I sont like the aero cloners 70% of all those bright white water roots die the swcond you plant em in anything but a pure hydro system.

 

[Ymir]

People clearly have different circumstances and you're not blowing his theory out of anything.

 

[budleydoright]

ok ao hate to blow your whole theory out of the water but....
I use nothin but ro.

I believe the OP was discussing aerocloners, not cloning in general.

 

[growsjoe1]

...also OP was specifically talking abut the use of CHLORINE levels in the WATER. Or calcium hypochlorite/soduim hypochlorite.

not how to clone

 

[RetroGrow]

Hard to believe people are still discussing/arguing about cloning. It is so simple, even a caveman can do it. There are a dozen different ways to clone, and all of them work. Just stick the damn cut in a glass of tap water, and it will have roots. Stick it in a cup of coco with a bit of rhizotonic, and it will have roots. Stick it in an aerocloner, and it will have roots. Just dip it in cloning gel after cutting with a clean razor, and you should have no problems. If you have a glass, and some tap water, you have clones.

 

[pseudostelariae]

Hard to believe people are still discussing/arguing about cloning. It is so simple, even a caveman can do it. There are a dozen different ways to clone, and all of them work. Just stick the damn cut in a glass of tap water, and it will have roots. Stick it in a cup of coco with a bit of rhizotonic, and it will have roots. Stick it in an aerocloner, and it will have roots. Just dip it in cloning gel after cutting with a clean razor, and you should have no problems. If you have a glass, and some tap water, you have clones.

it's true. i've had extra cuttings i let sit in a glass of tap water i changed every other day and those rooted as well or better than the cuttings in a tray of perlite with a humidity dome.

 

[Ymir]

It's simple, some people have problems with their water getting slime and that's what this thread is about, we're all very happy that you have no issues and can clone in a pile of dog shit if you want to, that doesn't change the fact that you aren't everybody and some people such as me have issues with water getting slime with all the "simple" methods you guys have an easy time with and this thread probably helped me a lot. If you have nothing of actual substance to add to the subject matter why keep telling us how easy it is when you clearly don't experience the same issues we do. I believe we all started with simple methods before having to google around for answers on how to keep our water clear.

 

[pseudostelariae]

It's simple, some people have problems with their water getting slime and that's what this thread is about, we're all very happy that you have no issues and can clone in a pile of dog shit if you want to, that doesn't change the fact that you aren't everybody and some people such as me have issues with water getting slime with all the "simple" methods you guys have an easy time with and this thread probably helped me a lot. If you have nothing of actual substance to add to the subject matter why keep telling us how easy it is when you clearly don't experience the same issues we do. I believe we all started with simple methods before having to google around for answers on how to keep our water clear.

the slime is a pain...my cloner bucket had that issue when i was using straight R/O because that particular strain took way longer than normal to root and i didn't think to add anything to keep things clean. like i said and seems to be the point of this thread, tap water seems to help with moderate chlorine content in most of the US. depending on what sort of system you run, it seems it can be a bigger problem as opposed to other methods of cloning.

personally if your tap water isn't waaaay off in some aspect, i'd just use rapid rooters or a perlite tray under a humidity dome so you can create an environment with a more standard RH and keep the apparent added benefits of chlorinated water.

 

[Ymir]

If anyone is interested in my findings.
the pool shock is erratic, and hard to monitor.
I purchased a orp meter to try and keep levels consistent.
to obtain 1ppm of hth shock in a 50 gallon rez took way more added shock than anticipated.
I used test strips to verify the meter was on point.
I had to use roughly 2 teaspoons to get the recommended 1ppm which was obviously way to much imo, you could smell the chlorine was way to potent, so i diluted it to half, down to 1tsp for 50 gallons.
Initially everything seemed fine, after a few days i noticed calcium toxicity in the leaves, I thought i could live with that if the plants stayed healthy.
after 2 weeks i noticed the roots were starting to brown up and die, and the toxicity has gotten worse.
It seems that long exposure to the shock will indeed kill off the plants, i may have done something wrong, but i dont think so?
At this point my experiment has failed and i will continue to look at a better option to keep the rez clean and bacteria free.
if i missed something that you guys know of plz let me know, this would have been a great option for me.

Hi I hope you still check these forums because I'm curious about your dosages. You say 2 teaspoons to get the recommended 1ppm but is that 2 teaspoons of the dry stuff for 50 gal? I've been using the dosing the original post says, 1 gram per gallon of the dry stuff then use 1 oz of that per 5 gal of water. It smells chlorinated (but then again so does city tap water), and my plants look great now, but I've noticed the cord of the aquarium heater in my rez getting slippery/slimey feeling so I don't know if I should be using a little more. Don't have a meter to measure the chlorine.

Could you give an update on your situation and clarify the dosing you ended up using please? Thanks!

 

[doneit]

Lost a complete room with the shock/bleach method, like i stated in that previous post... its very erratic. when you have a known problem and need a resolution for the entire crop, bleah/shock WILL NOT WORK!
On the other hand..
The new formulation of DM Zone is working awesome.
Way better results than any other thing i have tried. still not 100% perfect from start to finish, but over all excellent results.
A bit pricier than shock, but 1000 times worth it in the long run.

My bros fought a VERY nasty fungal disease for 2 yrs with no luck... back to business as usual thanks to the Zone!

4ml per 5 gallon if you know you have infected tap water.
2/3 ml per 5 gallon for every thing else...

Zone has saved us! lol

Hope that helps

 

[Ymir]

How long did it take for you to notice your plants suffering? I've been using it about 2 weeks and they look better than ever. I'm not using any additives but was using flying skull z7 and had some light leaks initially which I thought was causing the slime. My water temps are usually 69 and 72 tops.

The roots I see growing on top were nice and white and fuzzy looking, I'm afraid to lift the inner pots out of my ebb and flow containers and end up crushing all the roots to put it back in so I don't really want to check them that way. However, the plants look great now and was having mag deficiency issues. The only thing I've noticed for slime so far is one of the cords felt slimey, nothing visual and no signs of the shock having any negative affects so far.

DM Zone actually doesn't seem that expensive per dose if it's only 4ml per 5 gallons, may look into that!

 

[doneit]

We had a serious air born fungi infection that weak solutions of bleach/shock , did not kill it.

it originally transpired from the local water source and evolved from there.

if you are having good results with the bleach i would continue with what your doing, but keep a close eye out for calcium toxicity, change out the water more frequently to help with the salt build up.

drip clean would be a real bonus for bleach users.

I stated we had some success early on with the shock, looked very promising, however at the levels we had to use to keep the fungi at bay was detrimental shortly after flower started.

zone works excellent for us, i was at my bro's this morning and helped chop a 1k sog that was tremendous! this is in a room that could grow nothing past clones 8 months ago!

The ease of it is very relaxing, at this point the disease has shown no immunity to zone, just sit back and watch em grow... very rewarding for something sooooo simple after an extremely hard battle!

 

[budleydoright]

I've been using DM Zone in my cloner for about a year now. 100% 100% or the time.

 

[Ymir]

I've been using this and this is the longest I've gone without a rez change and no slime has occured. The wire that goes to my aquarium heater felt a little slimey so I used a little more than 1 oz per 5 gallons and wiped it off and that's gone away. I didn't bother tryign to achieve any particular ppm with it, just using 1-1.5 oz of the solution (1 gram per gallon) and it's working fine. Plants look great.

Also just switched to using sulfuric acdi (battery acid) for my PH down, also working great. Wish I didn't spend all that money on nitric acid and potassium based ph downs, have a ton of it that I will never use now because the sulfuric is more stable and doesn't affect your NPK ratios.