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Help! My 1st Indoor (Northern Lights auto)
- Thread starter Sunzi
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These are 5 - 6 weeks since germination? There doesn't look to be signs of flowering starting yet. I would have expected autos to be doing so by now but then I've never run them so what do I know?
There's a sub forum on here for auto growers, you might want to go there for some more info.
There's a sub forum on here for auto growers, you might want to go there for some more info.
Seriously, don't worry cuz you're more likely to make mistakes if you do. The girls look pretty healthy so you must be doing something right
Just let them do their thing and learn so it will be better next time.
Just let them do their thing and learn so it will be better next time.
outlawgarden
Member
Nirvana Northern Lights Auto
Nirvana Northern Lights Auto
Hi man! I grow this strain last year on my balcony. She finished in 80 days and it gives only very decent crop. Also the buds are extremely leafy as you can se on my pics. Hope indoor you will have a better results
Nirvana Northern Lights Auto
Hi man! I grow this strain last year on my balcony. She finished in 80 days and it gives only very decent crop. Also the buds are extremely leafy as you can se on my pics. Hope indoor you will have a better results
outlawgarden
Member
pics
pics
Here are some photos of my NL auto, just to compare
pics
Here are some photos of my NL auto, just to compare
outlawgarden
Member
Something is bad, if they are looking so in 6 weeks.. Are they really autos? You wrote, you use a 600 HPS for flowering phase, is it right? And the light spectrum? Do you use any fertilizers? And what about watering and temperature in the root zone?
Sunzi
Member
They are NL auto from Vision Seeds. I'm using a 600 HPS dual spectrum at around 60 cms distance from the plants. The plants grew with the same light really fast some days, I could see the change from one day to another, but then they have this times when they don't grow at all, and now the lower leaves are starting to get yellow and limp. I don't get it. I didn't changed anything but slightly improve the conditions buying an humidifier. I keep the temperature and the humidity around what's recommended, I filter the water and regulate the ph. I use worm hummus mixed with the soil (biobizz+perlite+canna coco) and have the bat guano ready so when I see any signs of sex (still waiting) I start doing infusions.
The only thing I can think of is that probably during the 4 hours of darkness the root area may get a little colder than when the lamp is on... but would that be a big deal? I mean, I'm growing NL auto because it's supposed to be an easy and strong strain that allow mistakes and give margin... and even if I'm taking care of everything the best I can I have the feeling that everything has to be perfect all the time, otherwise they are not growing... is it because they're autos or what I'm doing wrong? Quite disappointed after all the investment and the hours dedicated... if I don't find what I'm doing wrong I will change almost everything in the next one... the only thing I can do is try...
The only thing I can think of is that probably during the 4 hours of darkness the root area may get a little colder than when the lamp is on... but would that be a big deal? I mean, I'm growing NL auto because it's supposed to be an easy and strong strain that allow mistakes and give margin... and even if I'm taking care of everything the best I can I have the feeling that everything has to be perfect all the time, otherwise they are not growing... is it because they're autos or what I'm doing wrong? Quite disappointed after all the investment and the hours dedicated... if I don't find what I'm doing wrong I will change almost everything in the next one... the only thing I can do is try...
The growing tips of the girls look yellow or is it just the camera?
In my very limited experience, cold root zone can cause some deficiency or other (maybe Iron, I can't remember) and this shows first by stunted growth then yellowing tips.
Do the pots feel cold to the touch?
Can you get them from the pots to look at the rootball? If so, are there loads of white roots or are they brown?
Can you get some heat under the pots like a heat mat?
What about the temperature of the nutrient mix going in?
Are you using an enzyme with the nutes?
In my very limited experience, cold root zone can cause some deficiency or other (maybe Iron, I can't remember) and this shows first by stunted growth then yellowing tips.
Do the pots feel cold to the touch?
Can you get them from the pots to look at the rootball? If so, are there loads of white roots or are they brown?
Can you get some heat under the pots like a heat mat?
What about the temperature of the nutrient mix going in?
Are you using an enzyme with the nutes?
Sunzi
Member
Harry, the growing tips are yellowing indeed, so it may be that. The pots doesn't feel cold at the touch when the light is on, as they're black and it's hot enough in there, but when it's dark they may do (I didn't check) as the temperature goes down substantially.
What do you mean to look at the rootballs? do you want me to snatch them out of the plant pots?
I may be able to sneak some heat mat or something inbetween the pots and switch it on when it's dark... maybe that would help... thanks for the suggestion
The temperature of the nutrient mix is room temperature right now, as I have a big 5L carafe with the bat guano tea, which I'm using to feed the plants now. I'm not using enzymes though... I don't remember why, but I decided not to use them when I was planning everything at the beginning... maybe I should use them?
Cheers
What do you mean to look at the rootballs? do you want me to snatch them out of the plant pots?
I may be able to sneak some heat mat or something inbetween the pots and switch it on when it's dark... maybe that would help... thanks for the suggestion
The temperature of the nutrient mix is room temperature right now, as I have a big 5L carafe with the bat guano tea, which I'm using to feed the plants now. I'm not using enzymes though... I don't remember why, but I decided not to use them when I was planning everything at the beginning... maybe I should use them?
Cheers
Harry, the growing tips are yellowing indeed, so it may be that. The pots doesn't feel cold at the touch when the light is on, as they're black and it's hot enough in there, but when it's dark they may do (I didn't check) as the temperature goes down substantially.
What do you mean to look at the rootballs? do you want me to snatch them out of the plant pots?
I may be able to sneak some heat mat or something inbetween the pots and switch it on when it's dark... maybe that would help... thanks for the suggestion
The temperature of the nutrient mix is room temperature right now, as I have a big 5L carafe with the bat guano tea, which I'm using to feed the plants now. I'm not using enzymes though... I don't remember why, but I decided not to use them when I was planning everything at the beginning... maybe I should use them?
Cheers
If the temps are going down 'substantially' at night that could be your problem (or a part of it).
I suspect the pots are getting chilled at lights out and that if you carefully turn the pots upside down and lift the pot off the medium you'll see the roots are undeveloped and/or brown. This is causing some lock out/deficiency or another.
Get some warm under the pots. If your heat mat is too small for all the pots, move them around every few hours.
Stop the substantial temp drop at lights out.
Give them some enzyme such as Cannzyme at every watering for a week.
Sunzi
Member
Something is a miss man. Can you post a couple pics closer without the hps on? If it was me I would restart with regular seeds. Not fems or autos. IMO the autos I have had the chance to experience smoking not growing are not near as potent as a good old girl you veg and switch to 12 on 12 off.IMHO
Plus you pick the size of your veg plants going into pflower since you already have a 600w capable of good weight in that space to keep that jar full of kind nug. Good growing to you
Plus you pick the size of your veg plants going into pflower since you already have a 600w capable of good weight in that space to keep that jar full of kind nug. Good growing to you
outlawgarden
Member
In my opinion Harry is right.,I think, thatś the changes of temperature in the root zone. Theyŕ a limits in ability to absorb the nutes. Man from Canna society told me that the temp. needn´t go over 26°C in the bottom of the pot..And also the difference between "day and night" temp shouldn´t be like on Sahara... Wish you to manage things in a best way!
That second pic you can e how the plant is dying in the new growth. The rest look fairly fucked too. Maybe it is time to start again...?
Sunzi
Member
Maybe yeah Harry it's very frustrating... after all the time, money and effort... but I guess I still have a lot to learn... I think I should give reg fem seeds a try, even if I'm a bit scared as it looks a bit more complicated than autos, but my experience with autos in this case has been bad so... maybe with some changes/improvements in the conditions/equipment... I know I'm gonna have to be patient anyways... I already mentally prepared myself... 
Any recommendations?
Cheers
it's very frustrating... after all the time, money and effort... but I guess I still have a lot to learn... I think I should give reg fem seeds a try, even if I'm a bit scared as it looks a bit more complicated than autos, but my experience with autos in this case has been bad so... maybe with some changes/improvements in the conditions/equipment... I know I'm gonna have to be patient anyways... I already mentally prepared myself... Any recommendations?
Cheers
outlawgarden
Member
Hey Sunzi, dont give it up! Just buy few cheeaper beans of feminized classics (some hybrid for beginers) and grow again. Didnt you have a balcony or some outdoor space? I think indoors, you can make more mistakes (overnuted or burned plants even the temperature and circulation of air)...
Hi and as I said : DONT GIVE IT UP !
Hi and as I said : DONT GIVE IT UP !
