compost tea and coco ?

[omera1]

Hello,

im right now with 6 ladys in 4gal smartpods and 15/75 perlite/coco, selfmade lucas/cannazym/kelp/silica/hesi boost 1wk after the flip. some time ago when i used compost teA with soil it was the shit, pure vitality and i was wondering what about coco and tea. does it make sense? i mean when i water the tea, the next time i do my normal feeding doesnt the tea get flushed out? my plan is to just use a cup of compost, a spoon of guano and a bit molasses. let it bubble for 24hours an then take a cup of the tea and put it into a new container with fresh water and let it bubble for more 24h with molasses. my plan is to just have the microbes without the npk. or should i use the tea just as a foliar spray?


did someone of you use tea in coco?
what do you think?

 

[sureshot66]

i use tea and add it to my npk and use as a foliar, pure vitality as you said,add alfalfa too.i give it 24 hours the bennis hang around and dont all get washed away, i apply weekly

 

[omera1]

what about the ph? do you adjust, or just the tea+nutes?

 

[sureshot66]

na i dont adjust tea,ill adjust my npk then add tea to it and apply

 

[Coconutz]

not phing something you put into coco when using salt based ferts isnt the greatest idea.
It probably wont hurt since coco is a great buffer, but its going to shift the ph of the coco and uptake will be hindered
Again, probably not something that will be noticeably damaging, but it should slightly decrease potential
Our goal is to keep them right in the sweet spot at all times.

 

[ChemDgMillionre]

Letting a tea bubble for 24 hours "is an old wives tale"? Haha.. Not in my experience. U don't think the colony needs to propagate or become active before use? And yet another interesting comment from the Nutz.

Bubble til your foaming with life, like you've been doing. But ya id always recommend sending the correct ph into the rootzone. I started going back to teas (still using salt ferts) back in august/September, and I have had fucking incredible results. If the salt content is low enough, your herd will be fine, and won't "wash out". I'd always been told bennies and salts don't mix, i couldn't believe how wrong ppl were after I started seeing instant fucking results.

 

[Coconutz]

Actually my comment was about letting the pots dry for 24hrs to not wash out the benes.
Thats nonsense
Dont let your coco dry
Much more important than a tiny fraction of bacteria that might be washed out, and that may or may not even propagate
I didnt get what I meant to say across very clearly because I was spending more time looking for coco tea lyrics, but there just arent many online.
Peace

 

[whatthe215]

look into OGBiowar... good stuff. foliar pack is fungus, root is bacteria, nute is myco + other goodies. there's a tea recipe on the website. its more cost effective than using any other beneficial organism (great white etc.)

i tea 1x per week. cool to see the fungi growing in the coco.. where there is more fungi there are more, whiter roots. roots love the stuff... also can replace enzymes i believe. it reversed a root-bound/rotting plant back into perfect health with no transplant last week.

 

[sureshot66]

Actually my comment was about letting the pots dry for 24hrs to not wash out the benes.
Thats nonsense
Dont let your coco dry
Much more important than a tiny fraction of bacteria that might be washed out, and that may or may not even propagate
I didnt get what I meant to say across very clearly because I was spending more time looking for coco tea lyrics, but there just arent many online.
Peace

1st off i dont ph my tea, i ph my npk and add tea, tea doesnt effect ph and is recommended to NOT have ph adjusted...
i dunno what coco youre using, i use gold label in beds and pots and it has 0 chance of drying out in 24 hours..0...i apply 10 gallons tea and 10 nutes simultaneously, its pointless to refeed in under 24 hours really, let the bennis do there thing

 

[omera1]

thanks to all of you!
my pre tea is ready now (just compost&dextrose). now i will take a dirt free cup of this tea and make a new fresh 3gal tea, so i have just bacteria without the dirt and soil.
i will do a 50/50 tea/npk mix and see what happen.
but what about a foliar spray with tea?

 

[Coconutz]

1st off i dont ph my tea, i ph my npk and add tea, tea doesnt effect ph and is recommended to NOT have ph adjusted...
i dunno what coco youre using, i use gold label in beds and pots and it has 0 chance of drying out in 24 hours..0...i apply 10 gallons tea and 10 nutes simultaneously, its pointless to refeed in under 24 hours really, let the bennis do there thing

I was commenting on the OP who said hes letting his coco dry after adding benes because hes worried about flushing them out AND THEY'RE ASKING IF THAT MAKES SENSE
If youre in coco, letting it dry with a solution out of the proper ph range is BAD.
There was no mention of beds anywhere. A pot of coco is going to dry.
I water several times a day and my pots dry out during the night cycle. I need to go to go back to automated!
When coco dries the PH gets all fucked up!
I think Im allowed to say whatever I want without someone telling me they know everything
Its - let the benes do THEIR thing, btw
Thanks

 

[ChemDgMillionre]

just curious Coconutz, why does the the ph shift when the coco dries? i assumed because its a buffer itll always keep it somewhat close. but what is the actual reason the ph will swing? and id imagine it would have to always go in the same direction, so up or down?

and to clear up comments about over-watering we made in other threads... i agree with you that the coco should have some level of moisture, letting it go bone dry is obvi detrimental. but the point i was trying to get across was that is absolutely is possible to drown a plant in coco if you keep dumping water on roots that cant absorb it. so im pretty sure we are both on the same page, but just coming at the topic from different angles. be good.

 

[sureshot66]

thanks to all of you!
my pre tea is ready now (just compost&dextrose). now i will take a dirt free cup of this tea and make a new fresh 3gal tea, so i have just bacteria without the dirt and soil.
i will do a 50/50 tea/npk mix and see what happen.
but what about a foliar spray with tea?

Foliar at full strength, no water or nutes just tea

 

[Coconutz]

just curious Coconutz, why does the the ph shift when the coco dries? i assumed because its a buffer itll always keep it somewhat close. but what is the actual reason the ph will swing? and id imagine it would have to always go in the same direction, so up or down?

and to clear up comments about over-watering we made in other threads... i agree with you that the coco should have some level of moisture, letting it go bone dry is obvi detrimental. but the point i was trying to get across was that is absolutely is possible to drown a plant in coco if you keep dumping water on roots that cant absorb it. so im pretty sure we are both on the same page, but just coming at the topic from different angles. be good.

I think when the salt concentration to water ratio increases is when you start seeing issues. Especially when feeding strong levels.
The PH should naturally go up in the medium, but I believe with high levels of salts in there it can get out of balance as the ec also spikes.
Its like a double edge sword with higher ec levels and the ph out of whack.
I try not to let my pots dry and feed lower levels multiple times a day.
When I was letting my pots dry regularly and trying to take advice on the forums of letting my coco dry in between watering I couldnt get shit going.
Once I started treating it like hydro shit took off and I havent looked back since

 

[omera1]

watered pure tea with untouched ph ~5 today with 10% runoff. the method with the "double brew", when you make a new tea with a particle dirt free glas of the basic tea looks very good to me. no dirt, no mess no shit hanging on top of the coco.... very user friendly. im curious about results

 

[omera1]

now after a week of the tea my runoff ph is 7. and i water every day with 40% runoff and a ph of 5.8... now i have a PK lockout i think i have to flush. fuck.

 

[whatthe215]

have you been using the tea everyday? that re-generated tea that you used the first tea as the base for?

 

[bigfootgrows]

Tea in coco is great. Coco does not have the biology that soil does. By using tea, you are adding that soil biology. The microbes in tea will not be flushed out with watering. Bacteria produce a slime (bio-film) that makes them stick to coco particles. Fungi produce root-like networks throughout the growing medium.

With that being said, you gotta brew good tea to make all that happen!!!!!

High quality compost (vital landscaping, TeaLAB Life Cube, etc.) and Fish Hydrolysate (or emulsion). Molasses is ok, but fish is way better. For a 5 gallon brew, use 4 cups of compost and 2oz of fish. There are all kinds of other things that can go in there, but you risk messing it up with improper balances. PM me for specific recipes if you are interested.

 

[omera1]

i flushed the shit out of them two days ago. yesterday i watered with ph 5, and runoff was ph was 6.5... today i watered with ph 4.3 and my 20% drain had again ph 6.5.... fuck, what the hell is going on in my coco? i mean i just gave them the tea only one single time.

any help or advise?

maybe bad microbes are fucking up my ph? i have some h202 here, but i really dont want to use it when i dont have to.

 

[Lesterburnum]

i have been using tea in coco for a while. Great results with it. I have found through trial and error if you dont ph the tea it comes out way high. which results in a high ph of rootzone. I went through the exact same thing and had to flush to get ph back in line.
I usually make my nutrient solution phd to 5.8 then add a cup of tea to a gallons. that usually brings ph right to 6.
tea and coco rock!!!