Anyone Notice That Fruit and Vegetables Have almost No Flavor Anymore?

[Weird]

Excellent paper fully published very objective (you can read the whole thing not that only a few pages for free)

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1573521411000054



Organic food and impact on human health: Assessing the status quo and prospects of research

Abstract

The paper gives an overview of recent studies investigating the health value of organic foods and presents a framework for estimating the scientific impact of these studies. Furthermore, the problems connected with the different research approaches are being discussed. A number of comparative studies showed lower nitrate contents and less pesticide residues, but usually higher levels of vitamin C and phenolic compounds in organic plant products, as well as higher levels of omega-3 fatty acids and conjugated linoleic acid in milk from organically raised animals. However, the variation in outcomes of comparative studies is very high, depending on plant fertilization, ripening stage and plant age at harvest, and weather conditions. Moreover, there appeared no simple relationship between nutritional value and health effects. It is difficult therefore to draw conclusions from analytical data about the health effects of organic foods. Some in vitro studies comparing health-related properties of organic vs conventional foods showed higher antioxidative and antimutagenic activity as well as better inhibition of cancer cell proliferation of organically produced food. If ‘health effects’ are defined as effects on defined diseases in humans, evidence for such effects is presently lacking. Animal studies carried out so far have demonstrated positive effects of an organic diet on weight, growth, fertility indices and immune system. Recent human epidemiological studies associated consumption of organic foods with lower risks of allergies, whereas findings of human intervention studies were still ambiguous. The hypothesis might be that organic food increases the capacity of living organisms towards resilience. To confirm this, effect studies on specific markers for health are necessary.

 

[unregistered190]

Good reading.......

 

[LEF]

It's too bad organic produces are so expensive

 

[Rod Serling]

Great thread, sadly I agree, and usually no taste= no nutrients= unhealthy people

there has been some studies/research done involving our diet and how they affect overall health versus well, people who don't have to eat the kind of crap our governments allow today, check out Nutrition and Physical Degradation by Weston Price

for those of you with or thinking about starting a garden, please check out The Intelligent Gardener: Growing Nutrient Dense Food by Steve Solomon lots of helpful information, kind of dry at first but a great read!

And yea produce today does suck, I just ate a banana . . . bland

 

[Rod Serling]

Excellent paper fully published very objective (you can read the whole thing not that only a few pages for free)

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1573521411000054



Organic food and impact on human health: Assessing the status quo and prospects of research

Abstract

The paper gives an overview of recent studies investigating the health value of organic foods and presents a framework for estimating the scientific impact of these studies. Furthermore, the problems connected with the different research approaches are being discussed. A number of comparative studies showed lower nitrate contents and less pesticide residues, but usually higher levels of vitamin C and phenolic compounds in organic plant products, as well as higher levels of omega-3 fatty acids and conjugated linoleic acid in milk from organically raised animals. However, the variation in outcomes of comparative studies is very high, depending on plant fertilization, ripening stage and plant age at harvest, and weather conditions. Moreover, there appeared no simple relationship between nutritional value and health effects. It is difficult therefore to draw conclusions from analytical data about the health effects of organic foods. Some in vitro studies comparing health-related properties of organic vs conventional foods showed higher antioxidative and antimutagenic activity as well as better inhibition of cancer cell proliferation of organically produced food. If ‘health effects’ are defined as effects on defined diseases in humans, evidence for such effects is presently lacking. Animal studies carried out so far have demonstrated positive effects of an organic diet on weight, growth, fertility indices and immune system. Recent human epidemiological studies associated consumption of organic foods with lower risks of allergies, whereas findings of human intervention studies were still ambiguous. The hypothesis might be that organic food increases the capacity of living organisms towards resilience. To confirm this, effect studies on specific markers for health are necessary.

I agree with this somewhat. What I think it comes down to is overall nutritional content in the food, plain and simple. It is just that it is more prevalent in organic food vs conventionally grown NPK shit. This idea is further explained in the book I posted (the second one), not trying to promote it or anything, it is just interesting.

Like I said, what ur saying is true. Just like with plants. If a plant is healthy and receiving all of the nutrients it needs, along with growing in semi decent conditions, it will grow just fine encountering no diseases. It is only when it stops recieving proper nutrition that it begins to weaken and become susceptible to problems. Kind of a simple concept, but one that totally makes sense.

But even with organics the plants must be properly supplied with, and grown on a properly balanced soil which contains all nutrients, because you can grow produce organically, and yes it will probably be better for you than the same non organically grown produce; but if it is not grown on properly balanced (nutrient wise) soil it will not be providing those that eat it with all that it can. . . see what I'm saying?

But . . . . I did not read the article so I could be completely off
base here and just spouting out my ass. Cool post though.

Again, I don't know everything so I could be wrong

 

[Stoner4Life]

looks sweet.......

 

[justpassnthru]

This is allergy season, at least here. Allergies can affect your sense of taste and smell. FYI Probably, not the case here..just something to be aware of. If you suspect that is an issue, please have your M.D. check you over?

Plus, try to buy veges and fruits grown in your own state. jpt

 

[hydrotek]

It's a crazy world run by crazier people.

Grow your own.

 

[Weird]

there are many many factors that influence secondary metabolite production in plants

the potential for production of those metabolites are contained within the genes however the secondary metabolites are production dynamically throughout the life of the plant and are heavily effected by environment

most of the variables in the plant and the environment are just being understood mostly on the microbial at a dna level because the technology to "see" them just became prevalent in the last hundred years or so

our rate of understanding is so brisk right now 30 years from now the world today will seem like what the 1940's feel like us today

cellular level robots and computers most people really dont understand

with that said cause of many anecdotal observations will be understood as long as the ecosystems they were made in still stand

there is a term called allelopathy and I think this very phenomenon brings a the whole is greater than the sum of its parts in regards to organisms in that ecosystem

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allelopathy

some organisms cant live without their allellopathic partnerships but some like us can

in severing these relationships in our ecosystems many of the organisms within these ecosystems suffer, including ourselves

thankfully the technologies that are so caustic to our planet to produce are lending to newer technologies that are allowing us to greater understand the world and even repair the damages we have done through our ignorance

the algorithm of evolution contained within the dna of human life has us expanding into space as we reverse engineer the wonders of life in our own biosphere as it had us develop an industrial age.

our unfolding understanding of the world has run parallel with our expansion of our population and the expansion of the population has pressured many ecosystems and most of the notable changes have all happened within the last 100 or so years

Sometimes I think this is a necessary learning lesson for mankind if we are to take life here and tailor it to survive on other planets and places in space

 

[NorCalDreaming]

It's too bad organic produces are so expensive

It's too bad a lot of organic producers don't run better nutrient programs.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] the potential for production of those metabolites are contained within the genes however the secondary metabolites are production dynamically throughout the life of the plant and are heavily effected by environment [/FONT]

My understanding about this is that secondary metabolite production is the last group of compounds that a plant is interested in producing. In fact if a plant is not producing a high level of complete carbohydrates instead of a lot of simple sugars, is not producing complete proteins instead of a lot of aminos and is not then producing lipids then the plant won't be capable of producing the potential amount of secondary metabolites.

As for environment accumulated stresses can really limit the plant's ability to express its genetic potential.

 

[DarthFader1]

I like hiding all the soil I use indoors and compost. I use in may veggie garden in a couple of years. Good way to hide your growing indoors.

Yes, except i just chuck mine straight in, refresh it, and we're good to go. I planted these 2 cherry tomato plants not that long ago into my organic "used" soil and they just exploded. Probably a thousand delicious cherry tomatoes on these bushes. Taste delicious too i take a couple each morning with my coffee they're just starting to ripen.

Moral of the story, always grow at least SOME of your own fruit and veges; its not that hard. Commercial stuff i concur has shocking blandness of flavours. Lettuce and spinach are awesome too grow as well as chilli plants, courgettes i stay the fk away from now as they always get powdery mildew. Tomatoes rock but when you plant in a bed expect explosive growth. Im going to go hard on my chilli growing this coming season, ive ordered 12 different types of seeds and will start them in a greenhouse early season, love it!!

And another thing, be under no illusion that the whore corporations HAVE ALREADY jumped on the organic bandwagon because they realised it's really profitable! There is a huge difference between commercially produced "organic" fruit and veges and proper legit organics produced by usually smaller independent boutique farms with people that actually give a fk. The problem lies in extremely liberal use of the word organic, and the accompanying phony "organic certification" process that exists in most countries these days.

 

[Stoner4Life]

And another thing, be under no illusion that the whore corporations HAVE ALREADY jumped on the organic bandwagon because they realised it's really profitable! There is a huge difference between commercially produced "organic" fruit and veges and proper legit organics produced by usually smaller independent boutique farms with people that actually give a fk. The problem lies in extremely liberal use of the word organic, and the accompanying phony "organic certification" process that exists in most countries these days.

nobody's using the word organic w/o govt certification these days, stringent certifications, rules that run small farms out of biz.


so instead look for.......

SCHAGHTICOKE, N.Y. (AP) -- Justine and Brian Denison say they adhere to all the growing practices required for organic certification, yet if they label their beans and tomatoes "organic" at the farmer's market, they could face federal charges and $20,000 or more in fines.

Because the Denisons chose not to seek organic certification by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the Denison Farm, which has been under organic management for more than 20 years, is banned from using that term. So they and hundreds of other small direct-marketing farms across the country have adopted an alternative label: Certified Naturally Grown.

Started by a group of organic farmers in New York's mid-Hudson Valley as a backlash against federal takeover of the organic program in 2002, Certified Naturally Grown has expanded over the past decade to include more than 700 farms in 47 states, executive director Alice Varon said.

"Certified Naturally Grown is tailored for direct-market farmers producing food without any synthetic chemicals specifically for their local communities," Varon said. "It's a particular niche of the agricultural world. It's not in direct competition with the national organic program."

Many small farmers previously certified organic by an independent organization have declined to participate in the federal program. They voice a variety of objections: extensive record-keeping requirements; fees that can amount to 6 percent of a small farm's gross sales; and philosophical objections to joining a monolithic government-run program that also certifies huge operations that ship produce across the country.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=269065

for the rest of the article

 

[DarthFader1]

nobody's using the word organic w/o govt certification these days, stringent certifications, rules that run small farms out of biz.


so instead look for.......

SCHAGHTICOKE, N.Y. (AP) -- Justine and Brian Denison say they adhere to all the growing practices required for organic certification, yet if they label their beans and tomatoes "organic" at the farmer's market, they could face federal charges and $20,000 or more in fines.

Because the Denisons chose not to seek organic certification by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the Denison Farm, which has been under organic management for more than 20 years, is banned from using that term. So they and hundreds of other small direct-marketing farms across the country have adopted an alternative label: Certified Naturally Grown.

Started by a group of organic farmers in New York's mid-Hudson Valley as a backlash against federal takeover of the organic program in 2002, Certified Naturally Grown has expanded over the past decade to include more than 700 farms in 47 states, executive director Alice Varon said.

"Certified Naturally Grown is tailored for direct-market farmers producing food without any synthetic chemicals specifically for their local communities," Varon said. "It's a particular niche of the agricultural world. It's not in direct competition with the national organic program."

Many small farmers previously certified organic by an independent organization have declined to participate in the federal program. They voice a variety of objections: extensive record-keeping requirements; fees that can amount to 6 percent of a small farm's gross sales; and philosophical objections to joining a monolithic government-run program that also certifies huge operations that ship produce across the country.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=269065

for the rest of the article

Yeah, that's an interesting read for sure. I really like how the smaller true organic producers can just come up with a new term for what is in essence organic, and stick the middle finger up to the federal govt at the same time by not adhering to their c*** taxes and regulations.

Its kind of weird, in my country we have a different problem concerning use of the word "organic" We have no federal authority heck we don't even have a proper national programme for certifying what is or isn't organic. Im not sure which is better or worse

No doubt the US federal certification process involves massive payoffs and backhanders from the bigger producers, which if true, makes the certification process a total hoax from the beginning.

Who the fk really knows though? I'll just keep growing my own and buying from local farmers markets and other trusted producers.

 

[Coconutz]

I think a few things contribute to bland flavor in fruits and veggies. Almost all seed selections are compromises between various factors. Most hybrids are bred for vigor, disease resistance, ripening times, ability to ship/hold, with flavor often suffering. Non hybrids were phased out due to disease susceptibility, lack of vigor, inability to hold and ship. Almost all current high yielding fruits and veggies are hybrids, and unless bred for specifically holding good flavor it will suffer. Another possibility is trace minerals getting used up and NPK ferts not allowing terpenes and flavanoids to fully develop. Harvesting too early is another(sound familiar?) factor affecting flavor. You can grow bitching produce in an all organic fired up soil but if the phenotype of tomato or carrot you are growing is not flavor all star than you are somewhat doomed from the start. I grow my own shit and some varieties just kind of suck.

would like to double rep this post.
I was gonna type out a bunch of shit about growing bomb smoke with GH chem nutes that tastes as good as it smells right off the fucking plant, but homie said it all.
Its all about genetics and greed
Peace

 

[Classic Seeds]

its no wonder fruits and vegtable have little or no taste .they pick shit green and unripe so it will not bruise and they gas it to force a ripened appearance .tree and vine ripe foods are delicious and packed with nutricion .sure they cost more but they are worth eating those rock hard pears and peaches in the store are better kicked than picked we go to orchards and pick tree ripe fruits in season and freeze them and can them for when they are not . people wonder why there is so much disease now between the card board foods and pesticides is it really a mystry .we are what we eat and if we only eat dead foods that what we become much sooner 'dead' aloha classic

 

[mexcurandero420]

Unriped picked, less minerals in the soil, wrong tasteless varieties (only bred for higher yield).

Keep on growing your own veggies & fruits

 

[G.O. Joe]

Fresh, frozen, canned, USA, CAN, and South American blueberries still have flavor, they're just like green grapes. A few have an off acid tang well. Why would anyone even sell CA, FL, or Chilean blueberries? The new hybrids and new producing regions are a travesty.

BTW kids big bags of unshelled Iranian pistachios from the Shah were the shit even if they were unnecessarily dyed, not full of bad nuts like lame CA brands. That's an unfortunate situation.

 

[Rob547]

Been said throughout the thread but I only know what you mean because my mom grows her own tomatoes every summer. Just that first bite into a fresh juicy meaty red tomato grown in dirt, :drool: I can taste it now, tastes like a tomato! lol Then you go to a store/restaurant and it just kinda tastes like water, kind of a weird taste now that I think about it...

 

[DarthFader1]

would like to double rep this post.
I was gonna type out a bunch of shit about growing bomb smoke with GH chem nutes that tastes as good as it smells right off the fucking plant, but homie said it all.
Its all about genetics and greed
Peace

Even when your complimenting someone you still come off as a total jackass. Every single post of yours i read makes me shudder, you really are an obnoxious poster

 

[Weird]

Been said throughout the thread but I only know what you mean because my mom grows her own tomatoes every summer. Just that first bite into a fresh juicy meaty red tomato grown in dirt, :drool: I can taste it now, tastes like a tomato! lol Then you go to a store/restaurant and it just kinda tastes like water, kind of a weird taste now that I think about it...

i find alot of vegetables taste like hose

every get a new hose or drink for a hose that has been in the sun and you can taste the plastic of the hose

well thats what a lot of of these mega farm veggies taste like