The White s1 grow updates/results?

[THRILLHO]

Hey all I'm wondering if anyone out there might have any grow updates or results with a gallery or pics? I'm growing 4 in early veg along side a bunch of cuttings from the original White clone-only and I wanted to see some comparisons but I'm having trouble finding any on here, it seems like it's mostly OGR s1s that have grow reports. Any help would be appreciated because I'm already seeing some various differences in the structure of the s1s in veg to the clones but I'm mostly interesting in what they look like in flower. Any help would be awesome.

Thanks

 

[That Ush]

I have a white hybrid from CSG, Strawberrys and Cream.. Suppper frosty.

 

[THRILLHO]

Yeah I've seen a ton of hybrids that look really good but none at all of The White S1. I've been growing the clone for a few years now and the only image I've really seen of the CSG S1 is the thumbnail they use to sell the seeds and while it doesn't resemble the clone bud structure that closely I take that with a grain of salt since the pheno might vary a bit and that's not a whole lot of context to judge it from. I can clearly tell from pics that the OGR S1s look extremely similar to the clone so I'm really hoping to get a preview. I do know that the CSG guys cruise these forums and I would find it hard to imagine they don't have some pics of their own strains they might be able to provide. I also intend to post a journal on it here as well so worst case scenario I'll be the first. IMO the best way to judge this S1 is by doing what I'm doing to putting it to the test against the original clone.

 

[THRILLHO]

bump now that the CSG guys are back from the cup

 

[mack 10]

double bump, cause i'd like to see these too.

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

The White reverses very well, if you want to see some pics of what the White S1's look like google "Nightmare Kush" they are white s1's made by cheesy. I know they are not CSG's but they are the same cut so must be similar results.

 

[Timboy5]

I recently gave 4 plants to patient of mine because I was over on numbers. He runs CFLs so he usually just does small plants, so I threw 4 of these into a 8gal pot for him. He says to me the other day that The White are taking over and he likes the genetics.

I tell him to send me a pic, here is the pic, the plants were the same size seedlings when I gave them too him.

The smaller ones are Serious Seeds White Russian and the big ones are The White.

Impressive

 

[THRILLHO]

The White reverses very well, if you want to see some pics of what the White S1's look like google "Nightmare Kush" they are white s1's made by cheesy. I know they are not CSG's but they are the same cut so must be similar results.

I was under the impression that NMK is an s2? Right now I'm running these s1s, clones, and bagseed from a clone. In veg they all look pretty vastly different. I'm mostly interested in how the s1s are going to respond in flower and how much variation I should expect from all my clones.

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

I was under the impression that NMK is an s2?.

I don't know I thought there was S1s and S2's they still looked exactly like the white.

And to the neg repping little rodent

 

[ojd]

hey Thrillho

not seen any logs of the white s1
lots of hybrids logs out there but know s1 logs

you got any updates or pics
how did yours come out

peace

 

[donmekka]

OJD just tagged ya homie feel free to share here if you like.

 

[Coconutz]

Can there be any difference in S1's from the same clone?
Wouldnt S1's from one company be pretty much the same as S1's from another company with the same clone? Pretty much the same pheontype variance?

 

[frankenstein2]

@cocnutz- I wondered the same thing. I got the white s1's from csg because ograskal was out of stock where I ordered from. I figured the same thing. That the seeds should all be pretty much the same. Unless by some freak chance a reversed clone had already underwent some kind of genetic mutation before pollen was released. I'm by no means a scientist. That's just how I picture things working in my head.

 

[THRILLHO]

Hey I just saw the replies to this post! Be forewarned! Essay follows!

So my plants are all at day 49 flower so they're close to showing their final form. I grew 4 and 4 side by side (1 of the S1s didn't pop).

I've been growing The White & Peyote Purple for a while now almost exclusively save for the various strain testers here and there and I hold it in very high regard. It's probably the best strain I've seen or grown (Except for the Peyote) so it's essentially the standard by which I judge all others.

My initial thoughts? If you are expecting to get a 1:1 replica of The White from clone, The White S1 isn't it, end of discussion (and frankly that is probably unrealistic to begin with). I had begun by learning some preliminary info about S1s on forums and a majority of what I read was that since it is a selfed clone crossed with another clone, and the product would be virtually the same thing as its parents. I also read that the genetics are about as stable as you can get. These genetics are definitely stable to a certain degree; two of my plants look more potent than the others, but overall the S1s are pretty damn uniform with each other. Be that as it may, they differ so greatly from The White that it is almost a disservice to these S1s to include "The White" in the name because it is surely going to be a let down if you are familiar with the cutting's genetics; it's practically a different strain entirely, containing virtually no similar features with The White.

The White from clone tends to be very stretchy. It's not really a plant that grows huge colas like Liberty Haze, but the density of each individual nug is impressive. They are rocks. Rocks covered with thick, confectionery sugar trichomes that almost look close to PM. You can still typically get at least a QP out of a 5 gallon pot. It also has a very unique smell; it's not fruity at all. It's a pungent, piney narcotic smell that is IMO one of the best I've smelled and the only other thing I've smelled that is close is an Earthbound air freshener that was included in an issue of Nintendo Power when I was a kid.

The White S1 on the other hand is very squat. The colas are very thin in diameter but a bit closer in node structure. Nugs are pretty leafy. The two plants I have that are a bit more potent have fairly good trichome coverage, however it's not the same as The White at all. It's that glittery type of coverage and it's not as thick, just more spread out on the sugar leaves. Actually reminds me of the Afgooey clones I used to run. The nugs are really small. Pistil maturity is also slightly slower that the clones. My biggest gripe is that the signature smell is not there at all, it's more fruity. It's a good smell, but it's not very unique. Again, it's very similar to Afgooey.

It just seems like it's composed of a lot of cool features that as a stand alone strain could do well, but when compared it's not even close.

The White:

The White S1:

They limited me to 5 pics but an album is here:
http://imgur.com/a/MUlyw

Anyways I hope this helped. As long as you temper your expectations from The White you will likely enjoy this strain. Much props to CSG!

 

[frankenstein2]

So your basing your conclusion on evidence found from 4 seeds of the white s1? Were they from csg or ogr? I'm not knocking ya by any means. From my experience, certain strains when selfed give offspring that is an almost exact carbon copy of the mother. Other strains it takes some hunting to find that one plant that is just like the mother. At $100 or more per 5 seeds, I can see why the majority of people don't ever find what they are looking for in selfed clone only's. I'm one of those lucky bastards and sometimes get stellar plants from a single seed. I have a single plant of csg white s1 going now, so in a few months we will see how lucky I got this time. Thanks for your report, it let's me know that I may have some more hunting to do.

 

[THRILLHO]

So your basing your conclusion on evidence found from 4 seeds of the white s1? Were they from csg or ogr? I'm not knocking ya by any means. From my experience, certain strains when selfed give offspring that is an almost exact carbon copy of the mother. Other strains it takes some hunting to find that one plant that is just like the mother. At $100 or more per 5 seeds, I can see why the majority of people don't ever find what they are looking for in selfed clone only's. I'm one of those lucky bastards and sometimes get stellar plants from a single seed. I have a single plant of csg white s1 going now, so in a few months we will see how lucky I got this time. Thanks for your report, it let's me know that I may have some more hunting to do.

They were CSG. I agree that it was a small sample size and hopefully that has something to do with it, but the genetics were so uniform out of those 4 seeds that it makes me wonder extra how many seeds you would have to try to get what you're looking for, and that's whats concerning. On one hand, when researching S1s I hear them being sold as the most stable and closely matched genetics you can get, but if you don't get a good match it turns into "oh well you didn't buy enough seeds." Well, by that logic what makes S1s so advantageous over other feminized seeds where the pheno variance might be more extreme? For example my Peyote Purples (which is a reg) is almost the exact same scenario where 4 out of 5 popped, I have 4 different phenos, but they are all so frosty it's ridiculous.

 

[GSPfan]

I have personally found that s1s are really hit or miss. I think crosses turn out better for whatever reason. But thats just my opinion based off of less than 3 years growing which isn't much at all. Maybe others can chime in on the topic. I have a ogr wifi alien that looks almost exactly like your white clone. Nice stuff. Maybe csg uses a different version of white then ogr. Because everything white from ogr looks indica while everything white from csg looks sativa. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Tonygreen]

s1 when taken from a heterozygous plant will not produce uniform offspring.
s1 from a homozygous plant will produce very uniform offspring.

Selfing is a good way to test potential moms for heritability. Take some potential moms and self them all and grow the progeny to see which mom is more homozygous.

It is all in the genetics fellas.

 

[Timboy5]

Hey guys sharing my White S1 experience

First time grower with Technoflora at 75% dose and Snowstorm.
http://i.imgur.com/N8msSeq.jpg