F45 v3.0 "Ricky's Dope Farm"

[Arminius]

Revised Label!

Revised Label!

Went to my designer's house tonight, and made some edits to the tincture label. There was a typo on the first, and it was the wrong size. I will be buying a labeling machine that can do 1,000 bottles an hour.
Me and a colleague bottled up almost 500 bottles of the tincture, and we should have the new labels on them early next week.

 

[whatthe215]

what are the directions? can't make em out. i assume you removed the QR code cause most people wouldn't use it? i thought that was cool.

and what's your favorite use for the tincture so far? plan for a more concentrated, maybe 800mg strength? or lower than 400mg?

what sort of donation could a patient expect for a 30ml FF tincture from a med club?

 

[pmoney]

Went to my designer's house tonight, and made some edits to the tincture label. There was a typo on the first, and it was the wrong size. I will be buying a labeling machine that can do 1,000 bottles an hour.
Me and a colleague bottled up almost 500 bottles of the tincture, and we should have the new labels on them early next week.
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congrats on all the new success, you really do deserve it, keep building your empire man.. if you ever get overwhelmed / need backup on trim days or anything, you can always hit me up.
Tincture is great, usually start my day with afew droppers full in my oatmeal, can't wait for 900mg, cbd and other variations of it ..and that shatter looks fkin incredible! Great work man ur one quick fuck, to think you started three yrs ago..and come this far, ur the boss

Question about the tincture, I read the label nd I was wondering, do you HAVE to store it in the fridge? When i put it in, it kinda clumped up a lil after a few days so i just took it back out cuz i figured i would use it with in a month lol

 

[high life 45]

Right on bro, Im SOOO happy for ya, and your success is giving me hope, its been a rough couple days around here.

Im really impressed that youve only been at it for 3 years... BRAVO!

 

[Arminius]

what are the directions? can't make em out. i assume you removed the QR code cause most people wouldn't use it? i thought that was cool.

and what's your favorite use for the tincture so far? plan for a more concentrated, maybe 800mg strength? or lower than 400mg?

what sort of donation could a patient expect for a 30ml FF tincture from a med club?

On the way out the door to sign the new lease, but I will try to answer quickly.
The directions are: Take directly, or mix with any prepared food that would combine with oil, such as a smoothie, oatmeal, or gravy for example.
The smoothie is by far my favorite method. I like to get a large Jamba Juice, and add 7-10 ml. It usually takes me an hour to finish one of those, so I get a nice timed release effect.
I originally planned on a 2 oz 900 mg bottle, but the sticker shock is too much too early. The problem comes down to expectations for the snake oil that has been peddled. When people are paying $40 for a bottle that is listed at 200 mg, but in actuality, only has 50 mg of decarboxylated cannabinoids.
Currently, I am recommending the 30 ml bottles retail for $60, and the 60 ml would be $100. It will come to the point that I will drop off the bottles with a price tag on it already, and come back in a week for payment after they sell themselves. I have had dispos tell me they couldn't sell the 30 ml for more than $40. After I pointed out their 200 mg bottle for $40, that he later admitted tested at less than 50 mg for the whole bottle, he felt kind of silly.
On the wholesale side, I expect to get no less than $20 (~ $0.05/mg), and as much as $30, per 30 ml bottle.
I don't plan on anything smaller than 400 mg, but I plan on doing a 15 ml bottle with 1,500+ mg for those that need to be laid out.

 

[silver hawaiian]

I don't plan on anything smaller than 400 mg, but I plan on doing a 15 ml bottle with 1,500+ mg for those that need to be laid out.

I must've missed the guinea pig application..?

Just re-send plz thx

 

[Arminius]

I must've missed the guinea pig application..?

Just re-send plz thx

Damn interwebs... Wish you were closer lol

 

[Arminius]

congrats on all the new success, you really do deserve it, keep building your empire man.. if you ever get overwhelmed / need backup on trim days or anything, you can always hit me up.
Tincture is great, usually start my day with afew droppers full in my oatmeal, can't wait for 900mg, cbd and other variations of it ..and that shatter looks fkin incredible! Great work man ur one quick fuck, to think you started three yrs ago..and come this far, ur the boss

Question about the tincture, I read the label nd I was wondering, do you HAVE to store it in the fridge? When i put it in, it kinda clumped up a lil after a few days so i just took it back out cuz i figured i would use it with in a month lol

That is interesting about the clumping, but it makes sense considering the types of oils used. Maybe I can reword it to address long term storage. The oils will not go rancid like glycerin tinctures, but I figured better safe than sorry.
With the new site, I won't be harvesting every 2 weeks, and may need some part time help from time to time. I plan on harvesting every 4-5 weeks, and I will definitely try to have you over for a trim session.
Getting keys tomorrow, and will be moving plants over the next few days. First harvest should be in April.

 

[high life 45]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Arminius again."

 

[Mister_D]

 

[pmoney]

youre right ... I am not worthy of time with the master

 

[Arminius]

youre right ... I am not worthy of time with the master

Huh?

 

[Arminius]

Terpene Report Breakdown

Terpene Report Breakdown

The terpene profile tests are pricey, so I will likely only do one per keeper strain for now. These are the first ones I have gotten, so I don't really have much to compare to, and Google wasn't very helpful in giving me a baseline to compare to. I have an email into the lady at the lab that is in charge of the terpene profile tests...
Anyways, lets start with the terpene chart that the lab sent me. Kind of generic, and is lacking the "entourage effect" component that was my motivating factor behind getting the tests done.
I also got a tour of the lab last week. I know there are other labs out there, using different tech, and slagging the competitors. From what they said, they are using the latest tech, and labs using GC, are outdated.

I was quite surprised with the variances between strains. I will start with the lowest mg/g, and work forward.
The Tahoe OG had the longest cure, and has a very loud nose. I certainly did not expect it to be at the bottom at 8.0 mg/g.

Up next is the WiFi Alien that tested at 25.1%, better, but not the best...

Now for the winner of the flowers! I submitted my OG Headcheese flowers with at most a 48 hour cure, and was told it could affect the outcome of the terpenes. Ummm almost 3x the Tahoe!

I also submitted my OG Headcheese shatter, and was quite surprised! When the lab techs opened the jar for a sniff, it was all raised eyebrows, and smiles on their faces.

Now for the kicker. I noticed that Valencene seemed to be the most prominant terpene, so I Googled it...
It turns out that several of the finalists at the most recent cup had high Valencene scores. The OGHC shatter has more Valencene than the other samples combined terpenes. The terpene is commonly extracted from Valencia Oranges.

 

[Arminius]

Now that I can see all four tests at the same time, I noticed that the only sample that did not have Valencene as the lead terpene, is the OGHC flowers. Myrcene is the terpene that puts you on the couch, followed by Valencene. I suppose that leads credence to the comments I have received stating that it is cup winning material...

 

[high life 45]

Congrats!

Im not suprised at all the fresher stuff had higher terps, some of them "gas/boil off" at ambient temps (not sure if that the right term) thats why we can smell them when we walk by. I figure once you have chopped a plant, they are not producing anymore terpenes..The way you cure and process the flower obviously can preserve them better, or even make them more available to our noses, but as time goes on they will decrease in concentration.

When I talked to Sound Co2 a few months ago (a co who does co2 xtractions)
they said that the extract from certain oregon outdoor will smell like pine trees just from plants growing near all the doug FIR trees in the area. The trim would smell like the strain, but the terps from the trees must fall onto the plant somehow because they extract would have a piney taste and smell.

I saw a lecture given by Dr Fischedik and he concluded with his research that terpens play a substantial role in the plants "Effect"

Check out analytical360 they are a lab that posts results. Their highest test is 23% ( I have gotten tests a 25% from another lab, but I dont think mine would test that high there) Yyou can look at all the results and compare the thc and cbd levels and get an idea......

 

[Arminius]

Congrats!

Im not suprised at all the fresher stuff had higher terps, some of them "gas/boil off" at ambient temps (not sure if that the right term) thats why we can smell them when we walk by. I figure once you have chopped a plant, they are not producing anymore terpenes..The way you cure and process the flower obviously can preserve them better, or even make them more available to our noses, but as time goes on they will decrease in concentration.

When I talked to Sound Co2 a few months ago (a co who does co2 xtractions)
they said that the extract from certain oregon outdoor will smell like pine trees just from plants growing near all the doug FIR trees in the area. The trim would smell like the strain, but the terps from the trees must fall onto the plant somehow because they extract would have a piney taste and smell.

I saw a lecture given by Dr Fischedik and he concluded with his research that terpens play a substantial role in the plants "Effect"

Check out analytical360 they are a lab that posts results. Their highest test is 23% ( I have gotten tests a 25% from another lab, but I dont think mine would test that high there) Yyou can look at all the results and compare the thc and cbd levels and get an idea......

In the middle of chopping plants, but I wanted to address one point.
When I was speaking with the lab techs, and there were several present to overhear, I was very clear with my question about cure affecting terpene presence.
I am still a noob concerning the deeper chemical aspects of cannabis, but they were very adamant that the better the cure, the higher the terps will score. Which is consistent with the fact that freshly dried flowers will lose their nose on the drying rack, and only regain them after somewhat of a cure. To my knowledge, the "burping phase" of the cure is allowing CO2 to escape, releasing the terpenes. Terpenes after all, are the essence of what we smell. When my flowers are chopped, they smell awesome. After 5 days on the rack, they smell like hay. Several days in their curing containers, the terpenes return.
What I am saying is, there has to be some bio-chem reaction that occurs with the releasing of CO2, and the reemergance of the terpenes after the cure.
While on the other hand, you would think, that after the plant dies, very minimal growth occurs, regardless of whether it is resin, or plant matter (I have seen chopped plants still producing plant matter up to two weeks after chop).
I suppose the only way to verify, is to submit the same flower in 60 days, in order to see the extreme of possible variances. 2 days cure vs 60 day cure, good enough?

 

[Arminius]

Concerning the boiling point of terpenes. They are much higher than you would think. Here is a link from a Google search, that ironically quotes an IC Mag post...
http://skunkpharmresearch.com/cannabinoid-info/

 

[high life 45]

I suppose the only way to verify, is to submit the same flower in 60 days, in order to see the extreme of possible variances. 2 days cure vs 60 day cure, good enough?

I would be very interested to see a freshly cut vs 2 day vs 30day vs 60 day sometime. Not saying you should do this, but I imagine your gonna get some sort of discount with your new venture

It might be hard to test with fresh since it will weigh more. I know that people extract with fresh material, so maybe you could factor that in somehow..idk im blazed from some cookies

Concerning the boiling point of terpenes. They are much higher than you would think. Here is a link from a Google search, that ironically quotes an IC Mag post...
http://skunkpharmresearch.com/cannabinoid-info/

LOL I have seen that, and Im not qualified at the moment to make any intelligent remarks.


but AFAIK when we smell the plant were smelling terps and we all use carbon filters.. Its all pretty new to me, and I just find it all exciting when im not ..

 

[Arminius]

Haha, I hear you bro! I am about to torch a WiFi Alien joint, and pass the fuck out! I am moving my mothers to the new lab tomorrow, as well as meeting an attorney regarding my current slum lord. The developments with the new site mind blowing to say the least. The latest side project is the offer to provide a medible vendor with the active ingredient for their line of hard candy.
I will try to post some shots of the new site after tomorrow. But to give you an idea, I will be loading a 66 plant room in the next 5-7 days, followed by another 66 plant room 4 weeks later...

 

[ElRubio]

All that info bout terpenes and cannbinoids is awesome.

Thanks dude!!