Amendment 64 is a moral failure, here's why

[GeorgeWBush]

U mad bro? I never said A64 wasn't a step in the right direction, but I just think that it has some serious shortcomings. To be clear, I do support recreational rights, but I believe that an amendment in 2016 would be in order. Start by de-felonizing cannabis entirely, expunging records, and allowing for out of state patients to get a card. The numbers support an easy win for that. A64 is progress, but so taking a #2.

As they say, show me don't tell me....I don't want to hear it....You wanna make a change get involved on a local government level don't just bitch and moan on a website......

 

[1TWISTEDTRUCKER]

bb99, Ya keep harping on med cards for out of State Folks.

So say that as a citizen of Iowa got a card, and drive over to Co. buy My Meds legaly, then head back thru Ne. and into Iowa.

As soon as I leave Co. I am NO LONGER legal!!!!

So your bitching bout this scenario makes SHIT for since.

You are really off to a GR8 start here. are You even a Co. resident? (No, but I play one on line)
If not you really don't have shit to bitch about.

Peace; 1TT

 

[Jhhnn]

this right here folks is a perfect example of someone who is never satisfied and a huge part of the problem in the United States....Colorado has secured a major victory in the war on oppression and not even 14 days later these moronic crunchy sissy ass liberal fucktards need to bitch and moan over semantics and what hat you have to wear in order to LEGALLY grow/ smoke/ possess marijuana......I'm so tired of idiots who feel so entitled to be a two faced hypocrite that they look a gift horse in the mouth.......get the fuck over yourself everyone else already has.....people are greedy and politics are designed to cater to greed since when is this news ? did you think corruption was just going to magically disappear because your a ultra sensitive whining idiot ?

Easy there, especially about Liberals. If Conservatives had their way, A64 never would have passed. We'd be like Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana or Arizona.

I agree that the whole moral outrage thing can easily get overblown, and that A64 is an incredible victory for us. It's also imperfect, obviously. Human beings created it.

A64 was not intended to alter the MMJ situation in Colorado at all. I think that's a good thing overall, particularly when we examine Washington, where the liquor board is trying to close down the MMJ coops in favor of retail. Here, we didn't give them any better chance of messing with MMJ than they already had.

A64 is brilliant legislation, and the more this unfolds, the more apparent that will become. Retail is only one side of it. The toking, carrying & particularly the home growing provisions are what deny state LEO's the statutory authority to bother your basic cannabis using citizen. They've been stripped of that authority. As part of the state constitution, it's here to stay. If that's not a moral victory, I don't know what might be.

 

[GeorgeWBush]

Easy there, especially about Liberals. If Conservatives had their way, A64 never would have passed. We'd be like Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana or Arizona.

I agree that the whole moral outrage thing can easily get overblown, and that A64 is an incredible victory for us. It's also imperfect, obviously. Human beings created it.

A64 was not intended to alter the MMJ situation in Colorado at all. I think that's a good thing overall, particularly when we examine Washington, where the liquor board is trying to close down the MMJ coops in favor of retail. Here, we didn't give them any better chance of messing with MMJ than they already had.

A64 is brilliant legislation, and the more this unfolds, the more apparent that will become. Retail is only one side of it. The toking, carrying & particularly the home growing provisions are what deny state LEO's the statutory authority to bother your basic cannabis using citizen. They've been stripped of that authority. As part of the state constitution, it's here to stay. If that's not a moral victory, I don't know what might be.

The conservatives aren't the ones being 2 faced and crying how they didn't win by enough points..And, I might add are partially responsible for the legalization and taxation and setting up the means to do so..... They are also lobbying for banks to be able to legally get involved which will inevitably create more revenue and more job's....I'm just saying .....

 

[Eighths-n-Aces]

The conservatives aren't the ones being 2 faced and crying how they didn't win by enough points..And, I might add are partially responsible for the legalization and taxation and setting up the means to do so..... They are also lobbying for banks to be able to legally get involved which will inevitably create more revenue and more job's....I'm just saying .....

maybe you should do a google search on a guy named ken buck and a group he runs with called smart colorado.

i'm not so sure that all the "conservatives" are trying to do 64 or anyone who thinks herb is a good thing any favors.

"....... I'm just saying ......."

 

[Jhhnn]

The conservatives aren't the ones being 2 faced and crying how they didn't win by enough points..And, I might add are partially responsible for the legalization and taxation and setting up the means to do so..... They are also lobbying for banks to be able to legally get involved which will inevitably create more revenue and more job's....I'm just saying .....

I'm terribly sorry, but you mis-characterize what you don't like about the OP's POV as "Liberal". I'm accustomed to finding that kind of puffed up outrage on the far end of the political spectrum.

The rest? Please. Places where conservatives, Republicans hold sway in this country have the most repressive MJ laws and will be the last to legalize. That's perfectly obvious.

It's also perfectly obvious that cannabis use in this country has its roots in the counterculture of the 60's, not exactly a conservative phenomenon at all.

The bit about banking? Myth. I could have used my credit card at Evergreen Apothecary.

 

[aridbud]

The conservatives aren't the ones being 2 faced and crying how they didn't win by enough points..And, I might add are partially responsible for the legalization and taxation and setting up the means to do so..... ....I'm just saying .....

Maybe that's a big reason why Colorado Springs has no shops, no tax base.....

 

[GeorgeWBush]

maybe you should do a google search on a guy named ken buck and a group he runs with called smart colorado.

i'm not so sure that all the "conservatives" are trying to do 64 or anyone who thinks herb is a good thing any favors.

"....... I'm just saying ......."

you need a tissue ? why the hell would anyone want to do anyone else a "favor" in a situation where everyone win's ? Who said anything about "all conservatives " ? not me ! but way to paraphrase,take out of context and irresponsibly mis quote my post ...

 

[Jhhnn]

Maybe that's a big reason why Colorado Springs has no shops, no tax base.....

OK by me. Virtue is its own reward, right?

And I'm sure that Manitou Springs likes it just the way it is. The two adjoining communities have always been very different.

 

[GeorgeWBush]

Maybe that's a big reason why Colorado Springs has no shops, no tax base.....

Oh my lawd ! how horrendous ! you mean you have to go to the next town over to LEGALLY buy your weed safely ? cry me a river......

 

[Eighths-n-Aces]

you need a tissue ? why the hell would anyone want to do anyone else a "favor" in a situation where everyone win's ? Who said anything about "all conservatives " ? not me ! but way to paraphrase,take out of context and irresponsibly mis quote my post ...

please explain how you were misquoted.

try reading it again and you should notice pretty quickly that the "all conservatives" thing was a figment of your keyboards imagination, not mine

i don't consider mr. buck a conservative( i think he is to crazy for that) but he calls himself "conservative" ...... hence the quotation marks

i'm just saying

 

[aridbud]

OK by me. Virtue is its own reward, right?

And I'm sure that Manitou Springs likes it just the way it is. The two adjoining communities have always been very different.

Yeah, plenty of choices. Colo Springs won't get it together (due to conservatism)....and that's way OK.... agreeing w/ you Jhhnn.

Geo W....wtf???

 

[barnyard]

what is a search for CBD strains on weedmaps, Alex.

 

[argo430]

Why wait in line?

Why wait in line?

Since January of last year in Colorado it has been ok to grow your own. 3 plants in flower and three in veg for up to two adults per address. No for profit dispensaries or line waiting required. Life is good for the home hobby grower. You can also gift up to one ounce to who ever you want. Bartering for different flavors,seeds cuttings is alive and well. Happy days.

 

[RoadRash]

From my personal perspective, A64 is an abysmal moral failure. In my opinion, there should be an option for out of state residents to get a MMJ card, or, instead of having to suffer the indignity of being labeled a recreational user, at least it should be called over the counter medical sales. Now, you will have sick people filtering in from all over the place in hopes of trying CBD strains, but none will be found on recreational menus. You will have greedy dispensaries and the state bilking sick consumers as a punishment for being a recreational consumer, when in fact you are really a patient seeking relief. It would have been the correct thing to do to keep it all medical, but just allow for medical to now be over the counter like tylenol. Instead, greed has won over compassion, as usual.

I think you make some valid points.

Ideally, it should be like, hey, I'm growing tomatoes.


However, I still think Colorado is better off with the highly taxed semi-legal approach.

I think growing cannabis gives patients a better effect, in some cases, because patients self-select strains and crosses that make them feel the best.

And of course, people should be free to cultivate without fear of reprisal or of the tax man.


Ultimately, it will be impossible for states to miss the commercial message. I recall $88 Million as the number one year for California taxed medical marijuana, sales tax paid to the Board of Equalizations.

It looks like Colorado will far exceed that number.

If the end result is to eliminate bullshit harassment of people growing cannabis, what is going on in Colorado, wet over-priced bud and all, constitutes progress.

 

[RoadRash]

From my personal perspective, A64 is an abysmal moral failure. In my opinion, there should be an option for out of state residents to get a MMJ card, or, instead of having to suffer the indignity of being labeled a recreational user, at least it should be called over the counter medical sales. Now, you will have sick people filtering in from all over the place in hopes of trying CBD strains, but none will be found on recreational menus. You will have greedy dispensaries and the state bilking sick consumers as a punishment for being a recreational consumer, when in fact you are really a patient seeking relief. It would have been the correct thing to do to keep it all medical, but just allow for medical to now be over the counter like tylenol. Instead, greed has won over compassion, as usual.

I think you make some valid points.

Ideally, it should be like, hey, I'm growing tomatoes.


However, I still think Colorado is better off with the highly taxed semi-legal approach.

I think growing cannabis gives patients a better effect, in some cases, because patients self-select strains and crosses that make them feel the best.

And of course, people should be free to cultivate without fear of reprisal or of the tax man.


Ultimately, it will be impossible for states to miss the commercial message. I recall $88 Million as the number one year for California taxed medical marijuana, sales tax paid to the Board of Equalizations.

It looks like Colorado will far exceed that number.

If the end result is to eliminate bullshit harassment of people growing cannabis, what is going on in Colorado, wet over-priced bud and all, constitutes progress.


I even priced out a ski trip. Partially cuz the West Coast gots no snow.

 

[MJPassion]

Any law that regulates a product so that only a particular group can purchase it is a form of prohibition!

While A64 made it OK for adults 21 & over to use, possess, grow cannabis, it is still prohibited to those under the tender age of 21.
THIS IS NOT LEGALIZATION.
I mean, come on folks, use your dictionaries...
The terms "Legalized" or "decriminalized", according to Blacks Law Dictionary means that all laws are removed from the books allowing "We The People" to make choices without the gub ment standing by watching our every move we make.

I must agree with Terrace McKenna when he said;
"If the words Life, Liberty, & the Pursuit of Happiness doesn't include the right to explore ones own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp its written on!"

A64 only solidified the fact that cannabis is here to stay.

What are y'all going to do when hemp fields get planted?
You know that was made legal with A64 as well, right?

 

[MJPassion]

My last post in no way condone cannabis use by minors under the age of 18.
If you can die for your country you should be able to do whatever the hell you want!
I do, however, support parents rights!

 

[StayHigh149]

I'm not in Colorado but Colorado, I'm proud of u!!! U have helped to open the discussion in many other states, including Ga, FL & La. States that would have NEVER considered it b4.

Any1, in their infinite wisdom, that says "it should have been kept just medical", is way off base (in my humble, but VERY accurate opinion) and on the opposite side of the fence from me. I would qualify for med with no problem, if I lived in a state that had a program but I still believe it should b for all above 18. If some1 goes to Co in search for high cbd strains, many will research and line things up before going & even if not, they can & will still locate it once there.
There is a bill in Ga that was introduced solely becuz of 1 lady that did just that for her child and went to Co several times & is considering moving there...again, THANK U COLORADO cuz without 64, she would not have been able to aquire ANYTHING legally in Co without being a resident of that state and thus the bill would have NEVER been intoduced in Ga cuz her child would have never been able to try Charlotte's web (strain).

Infighting among the mmj community is a tru shame. That's what the committee called "they" want from us. The old divide & conquer tactic....just look at Cali....couldn't pass legalization last time & probably won't pass this time either due to infighting & different agendas, all within the mj community.

Now Fl has a bill on the ballot for Nov for medical & it's a bill with no growing provisions....so many will not vote for it, which is crazy to me. IMO, still stoopid not to vote for it...give med patients their chance to get med & in 2016 work towards growing provisions & legalization above 18.
I'm saying that ANY positive step is still positive, even if it's not perfect & even if it doesn't help "me" in particular. I'm undergound now & will stay that way as long as I need to but I won't hate on the next man for getting his just due.

....& that's all I got to say bout that....

 

[MrGoodBudz]

If you want to be a mmj patient in colorado but you live out of state. Move here and pay state taxes in Colorado on your earnings and daily puchases. Not the state you live in. If your not ok with that. Pay recreational prices and be thankful for that at all. Or! Go out to your states Capitol and protest or peacefully rally until something like this exists in your state! Until then. Smoke a bowl and stay peaceful. One.