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DamnUglyDogE

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Great point...


Keeping a consistently moving flow of air around the plants has proven difficult through all my grows...

As the plants fill in.. Air flow slows down and im sure pockets of stagnate air occur...

I've been keeping the circulation fan down low,trying to move the cool air from below and let the exhaust suck the warm air from above.


Here you can see my Cool intake.using a BR 3" ceiling fan sucking cool night time air in from outside.

It sits just to the left of the plants most effected.
Which got me thinking...
Cold fresh Air meets hot humid air and gets stuck behind the plants.
EDIT : I took out the blue Humidity fan and replaced it with a Bun fan on the floor facing pool 2 and the in take.
Thinking it's the blue fan keeping the air behind the plants to moist during the lights off period.
As the intake shuts off as well during this time. Y'all got me thinking. .lol
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I have been trying to find the best place to put the A>C>F>

Last night I placed it where its at here. Pointing into the corner.
Trying to move the air around pool 1.
Figuring the intake would move the air behind pool 2.

Up till now I have been keeping the fan where the white stand is.
Either on the stand(up high) or on the floor... Trying both...
Now that the plants in pool 1 are bigger..
Having the fan up top isn't working as the fan blows to hard on the plant tops.




I've been feeling I need to move the intake to the front of the pools...


Any suggestions ?
 
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DHF

Well Bro , Dialin environment is NOT an easy thing ta do , so don`t beat yourself up....but....I learned a loooong time ago from Heath that creating a "vortex" of air "around" the plants above as well as below will keep shit stirred up enough where there`ll BE no stagnant areas of the setup once dialed......so.....let`s think about what it takes ta getchas back on track...

My intakes came in low and were pointed directly at the far wall where a wall fan blasted fresh air to the next wall so on and so forth , and the samall muffin fan on lowest setting caught the overflow and moved it up with the natural heat convection to the exhaust/scrubber combo`s up top....then....

The upper levels above the plants were circulated exactly the same way IN the same direction , so ALL air cold OR hot got mixed and turned into WARM moist air FTW during lights on.....

Lights off the setup kept excess RH from building up while keepin it exhausted twice per minute as well......so.....as far as movin the fresh air intake , whatever it takes to create that vortex will make yas happy.....bet on it....

Dbro runs sealed with CO2 , but that`s 1 knowledgeable old fart over there so wait till he chimes in for other alternatives that might work better in your particular situation....anyways....

Holler if I can help ...

Peace.....Freds.....:ying:....
 
DamnUglyDogE

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DHF said:
Well Bro , Dialin environment is NOT an easy thing ta do , so don`t beat yourself up....but....I learned a loooong time ago from Heath that creating a "vortex" of air "around" the plants above as well as below will keep shit stirred up enough where there`ll BE no stagnant areas of the setup once dialed......so.....let`s think about what it takes ta getchas back on track...

My intakes came in low and were pointed directly at the far wall where a wall fan blasted fresh air to the next wall so on and so forth , and the samall muffin fan on lowest setting caught the overflow and moved it up with the natural heat convection to the exhaust/scrubber combo`s up top....then....

The upper levels above the plants were circulated exactly the same way IN the same direction , so ALL air cold OR hot got mixed and turned into WARM moist air FTW during lights on.....

Lights off the setup kept excess RH from building up while keepin it exhausted twice per minute as well......so.....as far as movin the fresh air intake , whatever it takes to create that vortex will make yas happy.....bet on it....

Dbro runs sealed with CO2 , but that`s 1 knowledgeable old fart over there so wait till he chimes in for other alternatives that might work better in your particular situation....anyways....

Holler if I can help ...

Peace.....Freds.....:ying:....
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Always helpful brother man..

Down low and up high, ya say... hummm..
Makes sense ... I've been trying to just push up and out.

I got the impression MrD was all into VPD and hoping he will chime in with some thoughts as well.
 
DamnUglyDogE

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Here's what I have to work with.
What cha think?

I'm thinking Either. ..

Keep the pool 3 tent closed and in veg.Passive intake. .12-5/2/5

Run pools 1 & 2 with the tent open to the (guess you can call it a lung room? )
Ac cooled area...

Or. .

Close all tents and add another BR 3" intake fan from the lung room into the large tent. Would face inwards towards pool1.
Giving both pools a cool intake.




Thinking about what ya said DHF.
I could add a circulation fan right above (hanging off the roof)the humidity fan.
Moving back and forth over the canopy.

 
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DHF

Bro....I can suggest till I`m blue in da face , but you doin it and observin what brings them bitches back into dialage is what`ll make shit turn around faster....bet on it....

Either or....and yeah Dbro`s ALL bout the VPD cuz he got it beat into his head LONG ago bout 70% RH till end of stretch and as low below 50% till end of cycle FTW....

Back then we didn`t know DICK bout VPD , all I knew was Krusty said do it and I had no problems cuz where I live and grew RH stays 80-90% yr round , and....

Spurr `s the 1 that informed me why VPD was the reason my plants grew so well due to the elevated RH levels yrs later....

My very first run of Krusty buckets proved beyond a doubt the krazy klown and his Canuckian greenhouse experience had hit on a major factor that makes dope plants explode once all ducks are in a row with proper watts per sq ft. and dialed strain nutrient requirements , and that was close to 20 yrs ago....anyways.....

Handle it.......You can doooo it DAWG.......make an old man proud and show us some shit.....If it don`t work , we`ll fix it.....

Peace....DHF....:ying:.....
 
Mister_D

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DHF said:
Well Bro , Dialin environment is NOT an easy thing ta do , so don`t beat yourself up....but....I learned a loooong time ago from Heath that creating a "vortex" of air "around" the plants above as well as below will keep shit stirred up enough where there`ll BE no stagnant areas of the setup once dialed......so.....let`s think about what it takes ta getchas back on track...

My intakes came in low and were pointed directly at the far wall where a wall fan blasted fresh air to the next wall so on and so forth , and the samall muffin fan on lowest setting caught the overflow and moved it up with the natural heat convection to the exhaust/scrubber combo`s up top....then....

The upper levels above the plants were circulated exactly the same way IN the same direction , so ALL air cold OR hot got mixed and turned into WARM moist air FTW during lights on.....

Lights off the setup kept excess RH from building up while keepin it exhausted twice per minute as well......so.....as far as movin the fresh air intake , whatever it takes to create that vortex will make yas happy.....bet on it....

Dbro runs sealed with CO2 , but that`s 1 knowledgeable old fart over there so wait till he chimes in for other alternatives that might work better in your particular situation....anyways....

Holler if I can help ...

Peace.....Freds.........
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Don't think I could have said it better myself bro. After all I did learn about the vortex concept from you, god only knows how many years ago ;). Once I saw that it worked, I wanted to know why. Same with everything else you and others have taught me about growing. Hence all my book knowledge on things you just knew from good mentors, and experience. I owe ya a few rep points for your last couple posts, but I'm all out atm.

Alien Dawg said:
Always helpful brother man..

Down low and up high, ya say... hummm..
Makes sense ... I've been trying to just push up and out.

I got the impression MrD was all into VPD and hoping he will chime in with some thoughts as well.
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VPD and air circulation are two separate, but related topics. If your air circulation isn't properly setup you will inevitably end up with areas of you canopy that are outside of the ideal VPD range. Usually the case is areas of high humidity that lead to mold in late flower. As freds explained already you are basically trying to create an upward vortex that starts with your intake and ends with the exhaust. In reality this is much harder than it sounds on paper. Air does weird shit with plants in it's path, so ultimately you'll have experiment to see what works best. Only tips I have for ya is to roll up a big fatty (blunt is best as the smoke is thick), and use the smoke from your hits to see the path the of air coming from each fan as you move them around the room. Other thing to remember, the ideal placement of your fans might not be where you'd logically expect them to go. Test, Test, and Test some more, and hit the blunt to relieve the frustration :biggrin:). Nobody ever said dialing was easy, but I'm sure you've been told growing the best doesn't come from being lazy :biggrin:. You're a smart guy AD I'm confident you'll nail it down.

DHF said:
Bro....I can suggest till I`m blue in da face , but you doin it and observin what brings them bitches back into dialage is what`ll make shit turn around faster....bet on it....

Either or....and yeah Dbro`s ALL bout the VPD cuz he got it beat into his head LONG ago bout 70% RH till end of stretch and as low below 50% till end of cycle FTW....

Back then we didn`t know DICK bout VPD , all I knew was Krusty said do it and I had no problems cuz where I live and grew RH stays 80-90% yr round , and....

Spurr `s the 1 that informed me why VPD was the reason my plants grew so well due to the elevated RH levels yrs later....

My very first run of Krusty buckets proved beyond a doubt the krazy klown and his Canuckian greenhouse experience had hit on a major factor that makes dope plants explode once all ducks are in a row with proper watts per sq ft. and dialed strain nutrient requirements , and that was close to 20 yrs ago....anyways.....

Handle it.......You can doooo it DAWG.......make an old man proud and show us some shit.....If it don`t work , we`ll fix it.....

Peace....DHF.........
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Ya know it's always funny to me that so many people are stuck on this idea that there is some new tech that will magically make there plants explode (usually in a expensive bottle :laughing:). When the knowledge has been out there for over two decades (Environment above all else). Suppose I was just lucky to be around when the masters were still sharing in the public domain. So much knowledge has been suppressed, lost, and sadly replaced with the marketing hype machine. Maybe it's just that most of us old fuckers don't have patience to teach these "know it all already" kids anymore.......... :moon:. If it's not obvious, I wasn't referring to you here AD.
 
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DHF

Everything old is new again......Meaning ain`t not a DAMN thang new under the sun as far as growin dope`s concerned , only knowledge and experience lost yrs and yrs ago from dead and gone sites mostly attributed to LEO and the ignorance of folks that got the big head and thought they`d figured out a way ta be "above the law"....regardless.....

I refuse ta drop the torch and stop passin on da good shit as long as SOME young'uns `ll listen and use applied methods that`re tried and true....and yeah Dbro....

Very few get it....and.....most don`t , so...DAWG.....don`t let YOU be 1 of the NON getters.....:moon:.....

Now get backta work.....and....

Peace....Freds.....:ying:........
 
LyryC

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Could your intake possibly be too small? 3 inches for the whole room?

So you are essentially trying to get air movement to start circulating around the pool and then have the center fan "vortex" it up cooling the light / circulating the air and then out the exhaust...

check these fans out - I Was going to use these for my grow room but realized its overkill.

vornado

Sooo heres an idea

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|fan-> |
| Pool |
|fan<- |

idk... i feel like if I was there with you we would have this shit figured out before that blunt burned out :)

like the yodas say - you got this shit AD - its all a matter of trial and error and simplicity is key - less is more and keeping it simple makes all the difference in every aspect of growing so don't break your back or marbles over it.

Also some permaculture ideology - The Problem is The Solution.

:wave:

:respect: sexy pools
 
DamnUglyDogE

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It sounds and looks like im on the right track then.. Nice...

Thank you all for the props!!! Your right,I got this handled...
I'm feeling good about the fan placement moving air around better..
Will have to see how the plants like it,come lights on....
Just want to add one more fan up top...


Went ahead and tossed them into the 36h darkness for flipping.
It's only one plant having issue ATP and I can pull it if need be...
Cant let the weak-hold everything else back....


Man... I'll tell ya what...
Ya'll make me feel like I missed the boat by a good 10 years...
The good old days.... Like the 70's free love... I was just to damn young for free love... By the time I was old enough...
You couldn't tell the boys from the girls.. The 80s... I hated the 80's..lol Big hair and mullets with stone washed jeans... What the hell was that all about...hahaha...
Yet at the same time... I consider myself fortunate there are still brothers like yourselves ready to help and step up and help those willing to listen. I try to... Wait... What... lol

Seems like the times... They are a changing and it's getting harder and harder to pull a dollar out of 15 cents growing Meds around these parts at least... Safer perhaps... Leo don't care so much about me and my little garden... But... It's still a dangerous game we play with less and less to be made from it each year....

Any how...


I closed up the big tent for the flip.
Set up the AC for a test run....

I already had a hole...
Added ... Well... you can see it....

I use a Grommet to connect the hose to the drain and it runs to under the house...

Got to love Duck Tape....





Looks like a go and the test worked great...
But... I have NO ROOM LEFT :wallbash:

Good luck fitting a bulk res in there... hahaha...

Thanks for the link,LyryC...
That looks like it would do the trick...

The Problem is The Solution.​

Deep!!!​





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LyryC

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Ron Finley

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Heres my Local Hero! I met him a few times and helped out at some lots in LA a while while back.

He first introduced the concept - the problem is the solution to me, it wasn't anything new as permaculture has been around for decades but he knows how to spread the message. Very motivational and I have much respect for what he does.

Heres a bad ass ted Talk - I strive to be a gangster gardener.

Ron Finley Guerrilla Gardener
 
DamnUglyDogE

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LyryC said:
Heres my Local Hero! I met him a few times and helped out at some lots in LA a while while back.

He first introduced the concept - the problem is the solution to me, it wasn't anything new as permaculture has been around for decades but he knows how to spread the message. Very motivational and I have much respect for what he does.

Heres a bad ass ted Talk - I strive to be a gangster gardener.

Ron Finley Guerrilla Gardener
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That was a great Video...
I like that dude... I would love to see his gardens spread out this way as well... Making a difference...1 Plant at a time... Feed the world!!!

Thanks for sharing bro...:respect:
 
DamnUglyDogE

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Day 1 flowering...

Day 1 flowering...

Well...36h later & It's looking better in there...
Everything is standing up and greening up again...
I'll be keeping an eye on a few different spots from now on...Temps/RH/Air flow...
All and all it looks like im on the right track...
With a few scared leaves to show for it...



Speaking of air flow....
Got the AC going and man this thing gets the air moving...
Have it set to keep things at 78...
I ran it a hour of so with full exhaust going and my RH hit 42. lol
Im now running it with no exhaust fan going...
This thing has all kinds of filters and sucks in mega air as well as pushing cool air out in mass...

Im going to add the top 600 tomorrow as well...

All pools are on a 2 minute flood every 90 minutes now as well...



Im running the small tent closed with the 4" exhaust on and is now on 12-5-2-5 Veg lighting.

Im going to keep the big tent open and stay out of the room during lights out... Hoping these can come down by day 80 being march 31st...
 
DamnUglyDogE

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I managed to save the F13 male clone long enough to make it into a pool... Though I forgot about it for a couple days and left it in the dark.

I would expect it to be okay with a few days of solid 12/12...




The original male #3 is going into a pool tonight for 12/12 time.

Looks like pool 2 has a little space I can squeeze it into...
 
DamnUglyDogE

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farmari said:
Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm going to interpret this to mean the lights on temp is 158F and the lights off temp is -40F. Which must mean that you're growing near the North Pole and not using a sealed room. This whole time you've been lying about Area 51!!!
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It's a Secret!!!

Please stay on the line...

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I keep watching that damn little clip you posted above waiting for something to crash into the earth but dammit it hasn't happened yet! Lol. Was hoping it was gonna be some alien spacecraft or some shit.
 
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