Fast Moving White Spiders - Need Advice (Photo)

[AloeRuss]

Hello

I have noticed more then several of those running up and down on bamboo sticks in my garden.

I do not know who they are. I don't know if they are harming my plants.
They are fast moving and quite large. I can see them with the naked eye. I had spider mites in the past. This are not the usual suspects. The ones that live underside of the leaves and the ones you cannot see without the magnifying glass.

Please advice

 

[Perpetual Nooch]

I think it is definitely spider mites. You can see spider mites with the naked eye. That looks like a young one. It has not yet developed the two dark spots that is characteristic of the common two-spotted mite.

 

[AloeRuss]

Wow. Honestly, I have never seen them so big, moving so fast and just running up the stick like that.

I had several outbreaks but never seen the ones that instead of eating underside of leaves just running like they are something else..
Are you sure, mate? You seen them running wild like this before?

 

[Perpetual Nooch]

Yes, I'd be VERY surprised if that isn't a spider mite. I've had them and they do run up and down the sticks.

Also, they don't limit themselves to under the leaves. They will go on top of the leaves, on the stems, everywhere if there is an infestation.

 

[growsjoe1]

Looks like a mite to me too...check out the under sides of your leaves and for spider mite damage, little white spots on your leaves

 

[AloeRuss]

Agreed. I guess what confused me is that I couldn't see the actual infestation.
The lower leaves are untouched and (I did find a few) there are not so many under the leaves as well.

However, if I will treat this as an outbrake, I can't go wrong

 

[Snype]

I dont know how large that is but if its bigger than the spider mites from your past, its not spider mites.

 

[Perpetual Nooch]

Try to get some floramite sc. It is the shit. One good spray and they are gone. It's pricey but you don't use much and it's worth it. Except you can't use it if you are closer than 6 weeks to harvest. Check Ebay.

 

[Perpetual Nooch]

I dont know how large that is but if its bigger than the spider mites from your past, its not spider mites.

Don't go confusing him. It's a spider mite. They come in all sizes.

 

[Snype]

Try to get some floramite sc. It is the shit One good spray and they are gone. It's pricey but you don't use much and it's worth it. Check Ebay.

Please dont listen to advise for poison. Floramite is for ornamental plants and not food crops. Use 100% pure Neem Oil and a wetting agent if you have mites.

Don't go confusing him. It's a spider mite. They come in all sizes.

Spiders come in all sizes, not spider mites. You cant be so sure to what that is yet and you are trying to tell him to use poison. What a joke. He had spider mites in the past so would know if they were the same. Im getting the feeling from the poster that those new spiders are much bigger.

 

[AloeRuss]

I will wait overnight to see what develops here...

The few I saw are quite large. I saw many in my past. Seems that what i saw was a spider mite queen and her kids

 

[Perpetual Nooch]

Please dont listen to advise for poison. Floramite is for ornamental plants and not food crops. Use 100% pure Neem Oil and a wetting agent if you have mites.



Spiders come in all sizes, not spider mites.

False. Floramite is for food crops as long as they are more than 6 weeks from harvest.

For the control of twospotted spider mites on greenhouse vegetables (tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers, eggplants);

http://www.agf.gov.bc.ca/pesticides/floramite_label.pdf

And, it's a spider mite.

 

[AloeRuss]

Snype - what do you think this may be? Neem oil will probably kill it. I just hope it's nothing beneficial to my garden alongside with ladybugs which I have about 300 of crawling everywhere.

 

[Snype]

Snype - what do you think this may be? Neem oil will probably kill it. I just hope it's nothing beneficial to my garden alongside with ladybugs which I have about 300 of crawling everywhere.

Only idiots use poison. Anyway, am I right that those spiders are more than double the size of the spider mites that you had in the past? How big do you think it is? What can you compare the size to?

 

[Perpetual Nooch]

You had spider mites. You still got them. You'll probably always have them if you continue to listen to Snype's advice.

Floramite is fine to use. It's used by farmers on the vegetables you buy from grocery stores. Only an idiot would tell you it isn't. Obviously, you have to follow instructions and not use it close to harvest time. But, used on your clones prior to veg growth it will eradicate the mites in one spray guaranteed.

I've already proven Snype wrong once. How many times will it take to disregard his advice?

 

[Snype]

You had spider mites. You still got them. You'll probably always have them if you continue to listen to Snype's advice.

Floramite is fine to use. It's used by farmers on the vegetables you buy from grocery stores. Only an idiot would tell you it isn't. Obviously, you have to follow instructions and not use it close to harvest time. But, used on your clones prior to veg growth it will eradicate the mites in one spray guaranteed.

I've already proven Snype wrong once. How many times will it take to disregard his advice?

Just because some farmers use it doesnt make it safe. Plenty of things in the world are sold and are harmful to humans. Ive killed many spider mites without your poisons. Your just lazy. Go back to smoking your poison buds.

If you heard what he said, he said that the spiders are quite large. They look bigger than spider mites. Many types of things can look similar. You cant be so quick to jump to conclusions.

 

[Perpetual Nooch]

No, it's not just because "some farmers use it." That's what it was made for. You said it wasn't for food crops and I proved it was 100% for food crops.

Blah, blah, blah, I'm not going to get into an argument with you because I know you're famous for them on ICMag. Look at my join date and post count. I read a lot more than I write. It is up to the OP who to trust and you know what, I don't give a shit who he chooses. I'm just trying to help him out without regards to +K or having to wade through tons of bullshit that is usually the norm on this site.

 

[Snype]

No, it's not just because "some farmers use it." That's what it was made for. You said it wasn't for food crops and I proved it was 100% for food crops.

Blah, blah, blah, I'm not going to get into an argument with you because I know you're famous for them on ICMag. Look at my join date and post count. I read a lot more than I write. It is up to the OP who to trust and you know what, I don't give a shit who he chooses. I'm just trying to help him out without regards to +K or having to wade through tons of bullshit that is usually the norm on this site.

If you go to ohp.com you will see its for ornamentals. Thats why they say that term specifically. There are ornamental tomatos and peppers as well. This is from there website:

"Labeled for use on: All ornamental plants, including bedding plants, flowering plants, foli- age plants, bulb crops, perennials, trees and shrubs. All non-bearing fruit trees and green- house tomatoes, varieties greater than 1” in diameter when mature."

The big word on the bottle says ornamental for a reason. I highly doubt many farmers if any use this on food crops. Why not write an email to them an ask them if you can use it on food crops. They said no to me.

How about reading the Epa website at:

Epa.gov

Bifenazate has not yet received a human carcinogen classification since bifenazate is being considered as a non-food use pesticide and both the mouse and rat chronic toxicity/carcinogenicity studies are not required at this time.

As you can see from epa.gov that Florimite was never intended to be used for food crops. There are many types of ornamental plants which are for decoration, not to consume.

 

[Perpetual Nooch]

LOL Ok

OP, it's up to you who to believe. Whatever you decide to use, they are spider mites.

http://www.greenhousecanada.com/content/view/980/38/

 

[Ole MacDonald]

High temperatures can cause mites to move really quickly like that. Is your garden above 80 degrees? Can you get a better picture of one of them? Can you see two dark spots the backs of the larger ones? Do you see pinhead sized dots all over your leaves? (stiping)

If they are significantly larger then it may not be mites. I would get a couple clear pictures if you can and post them here soon. Most people on here can quickly identify mites. Best to be sure of what you are dealing with before applying pesticides imho.