Most potent strains

[bioguy]

How about the Durban. This has confused me for a while.

The Durban in HT came from Denver. Another one of the Top Denver dispensaries has an AMAZING Durban that reeks of Anise, tested at 20+%, is rock hard, and I happen to know is grown outdoors in Colorado. I don't think a real Durban could do this. I may be wrong but the idea of a Landrace sativa (even the faster than average Durban) finishing in CO outside seems fishy. The density seems fishy too. The smell is undeniable Durban. Given the amount of name games that go on this could easily be a Early Durban, Urban P, or random Durban cross.

Anyone ever seen a real Durban that fits the description? The cut came from California.

 

[siftedunity]

I wouldn't feel bad about selecting just a few good males. many seed comps and breeders base their whole work sometimes on one male. look at gage green, they use the joseph og male for almost everything atm..just an example. plus its easy to select a good female by just growing out and smoking but obviously with males you need to breed to examine their worth etc.
if I were you id select about three decent males minimum.

with the whole which strains to use, its really down to personal taste. I guess some of the good breeders have an eye for spotting good males, I don't know. you might need to go through many to find the good ones.

btw that hightimes list is bullshit. you cant do a top 10 or top 20 strains etc when theres thousands of strains in existence. no one has smoked enough around the world to make a list like that.

 

[Dr. Purpur]

It takes longer to find out if You have a good male. Most people dont want to keep males around. I had a wonderful male MNS Mango Haze. It was a year later before I got the results from the LA Conf/Mango Haze. I then hit an original OG with that same pollen, but only got one seed, because the pollen was too old. I wish I still had that Dad

 

[Huel Perkins]

Actually CBD can make the high last longer, if you do not mind delayed onset and reduced peak experoences. Reduced peak experiences is not making you higher, it is a reduced high that lasts longer.
-SamS

I agree, I usually mix anything i smoke with my CBD rich strain and it defiantly extends the duration of the high.

Lots of people claim CBD actually blocks the effects of THC but in my experience with is not entirely true. CBD seems to dull some of THC's effects for sure but i believe it helps intensify other of its effects. Also in my experience it seems to slow the onset of the high making it a creeper high.

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Huel

There were plenty of creeper highs around in the early 80s when I started smoking .
I was warned more than once to not over indulge, thinking the herb wasn`t potent . As the high had a delayed onset . Some thin along the lines of " go easy young fella she`s a creeper. "

The Wizards of Oz MBS is the creeper high I`ve encountered in more recent times .
I tried a 1:1 THC :CBD phenoof La Sanadora in Barcelona . The effect was delayed by about 30 - 60 seconds then a wave of relaxation from the neck down . No real head buzz .

re CBD and length of high . How about the come down ? That is equally important to me as how high I get .. If I don`t feel good in the after glow I prolly won`t reach for that strain too often .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Mel Frank]

Just a nick...did read his book back in the day

 

[Mel Frank]

Mel Frank, newbie...lol, if it's really him. love me some old SSSC M-# strains

SSSC was great while it lasted, I have long since lost those genetics

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Ut depeneds on the amount of CBD and which is taken first, the CBD or THC. If you smoke or vaporize 100mg of CBD first then you can not get high on THC for maybe 8 hours or more.
Or if you take the THC/CBD at the same time you do get high from the CBD/THC, but the THC is delayerd in onset, reduced peak experience, longer lasting. Liker imported hash.
The THC level does matter, in general the higher the better, but it is the terpenes that make a 10% THC weed with the right terpenes better then a 20 % THC with all the wrong terpenes. It is not the cannabinoids. The terpenes also determine the type of high.
-SamS

Exactly CBD suppresses the effect from THC ....THC = upper/CBD = downer! How much of a reduction are you talking about because if it's only a minor reduction (like a few percent or less) for a longer high I'm all for that!
Or are you saying it's such a reduction it makes that erb a lesser quality compared to the high all THC strain/cross? I've smoked alot of weed in my day and I can honestly say the THC percentage doesn't matter in the end product, it's the total combination of the cannabiniods!! That's why a 17% thc cultivar can be overall better than a 22% thc one ...j/s!

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Another thing to keep in mind is there upwards of about 60 cannabaniods found in cannabis. Only a handful have actually been studied properly and generally this group only includes those most commonly found such as THC, THCV, CBD, CBN and their related precursors. Many of the remaining cannabaniods are relatively untested and unkown compounds. The same can be said of many of the terpens found in cannabis. Only the more common terpenes have had much research done into their pharmacological actions.

OVER 85 CANNABINOIDS. A FEW ALKALOIDS, BUT THE CANNABINOIDS ARE NOT ALKALOIDS. 130+ TERPENES.

It reminds me a little of what happened with Kratom. For years they thought its chief psychoactive component was mitragynine simply because it was the most common alkaloid and thus when they they tested it and found it was a partial agonist of the mu opiod receptor they assumed it was the primary agent behind Kratom's opiod effects. Years later after further study of some of the less common alkaloids found in the plant, it was realized that these other far less common and assumed less pertinent alkaloids were actually responsible for the lion share of Kratom's opiod effects. Although present in much smaller quantities, these compounds were many times stronger than the mitragynine.

My whole point is that there is a lot we don't know about cannabis's "lesser" alkaloids. You can compare two strains that look very similar on paper when comparing their common cannabiniod and terpene profiles and they have subjectively different effects. It stands to reckon that some of the large number of unstudied terpenes and cannabiniods that aren't tested for may have some bearing on the pharmaceutics of the plant. It's only been in relatively recent times that we even became aware of the roll CBD, THCV, CBD and some of the more common terpenes play in cannabis's pharmacological effects which is the reason we had the failed experiment that was Marinol. Big pharma and science simply didn't understand at the time that there was more to cannabis than its most common and well studied cannabiniod. Science is often prone to losing the forest for the trees. Sometimes the sum exceeds the individual parts which simply do not work properly when removed from the whole. I think in the future we may see the list of active cannabis terpenes and cannabaniods known to have pharmacological implications grow as the plant is increasingly being studied seriously by medical science.

WE HAVE BEEN AWARE OF THE ROLE OF CBD AND THCV FOR MORE THEN A DECADE, THE SAME WITH THE OTHER CANNABINOIDS, AND MANY OF THE TERPENES.

Something I would love to try is an isolate of each of the dozens of alkaloids found in cannabis and try them as concentrates by themselves just to see what happens. I have yet to find even the most common cannabinoids in pure isolated form where I am. You can find high CBD extracts and strains but none that are pure 100%. The same is true for CBN, THCV etc. The more common terpenes are easier to get a hold of in extract form because they are not mired in legal issues in the same way but the less common ones still cannot be found.

ALL THE CANNABINOIDS ARE CONTROLLED IN THE USA, THEY ARE NOT IN EUROPE, ONLY THC IS. ALL 130 OF THE TERPENES ARE AVAILABLE BOTH IN EUROPE AND THE USA.

I guess what I was trying to say with this long rambling wall of words is just that the best way to test potency is simply to try it yourself and that science still doesn't have a complete enough picture of what if any effect the remaining unstudied terpenes and cannabioniods are actually having on the end experience.

TRUE, BUT I WILL BET THE CANNABINOIDS BESIDES THC DO NOT GET YOU HIGH. AND TO A LESSER DEGREE CBD AND THCV DO MODIFY THE THC EFFECTS, BUT FOR THE HIGH THEIR EFFECTS ARE NEGATIVE TO MOST EVERYONE.
-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I introduced DURBAN as Durban Poison in California in the mid to late 70's, it was at the time my earliest SATIVA, now correctly known as a NLD Indica. It reeked of anise was early as hell, could be grown outdoors in the Netherlands at the 53+ latitude in a good year. Who really loved it were outdoor growers in Canada. Colorado should be easy.
-Sams

How about the Durban. This has confused me for a while.

The Durban in HT came from Denver. Another one of the Top Denver dispensaries has an AMAZING Durban that reeks of Anise, tested at 20+%, is rock hard, and I happen to know is grown outdoors in Colorado. I don't think a real Durban could do this. I may be wrong but the idea of a Landrace sativa (even the faster than average Durban) finishing in CO outside seems fishy. The density seems fishy too. The smell is undeniable Durban. Given the amount of name games that go on this could easily be a Early Durban, Urban P, or random Durban cross.

Anyone ever seen a real Durban that fits the description? The cut came from California.

 

[Nirrity]

but it is the terpenes that make a 10% THC weed with the right terpenes better then a 20 % THC with all the wrong terpenes.

Sam_S, could you please give an example of right and wrong terpenes?

I was under opinion it is not "right" or "wrong" terpenes, just each hybrid's terpene profile is unique like a human fingerprint...

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Terpenes can make the THC seem stronger, clearer, speedier, more cerebral, more up, psychedelic to the max. Or different terpenes can make the THC stronger, narcotic, physical, couch lock. So if you want specific effects then you want the specific terpenes that do that. The right ones do, the wrong ones don't. What you want is up to you.
-SamS

Sam_S, could you please give an example of right and wrong terpenes?

I was under opinion it is not "right" or "wrong" terpenes, just each hybrid's terpene profile is unique like a human fingerprint...

 

[symbiote420]

I think if you wanna try your hand at breeding and you're limited to what you can do/have, it's my beliefs that strains with a higher percentage of keeper/potent females (whether poly hybrid or not) in the genepool should produce equally or just as many keeper/potent males ...seems logical to me, but again that's just my beliefs!

Earlier this year I lost my Straydawg male (Stardawg (true grit's cut) x Alien Kush F3), after growing a couple different crosses I'm beating my head against the wall lol he had double serrated leaf blades, hollow stems, and the nastiest stem rub! I ran him through the ringers for close to a year before making crosses with him .....he's really coming thru in all of them!

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Did you ever flower a male that you transformed into a female?
That is the best way to guess what a male might contribute to progeny. You can smoke or analyze the transformed male to female and see its cannabinoids and terpenes.
See: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=99597
Seeing and growing a lot of progeny from many different females crossed to that male is maybe the best way but it takes years and years, and if you are limmited to what you can do, a lot longer then that even.

-SamS

I think if you wanna try your hand at breeding and you're limited to what you can do/have, it's my beliefs that strains with a higher percentage of keeper/potent females (whether poly hybrid or not) in the genepool should produce equally or just as many keeper/potent males ...seems logical to me, but again that's just my beliefs!

Earlier this year I lost my Straydawg male (Stardawg (true grit's cut) x Alien Kush F3), after growing a couple different crosses I'm beating my head against the wall lol he had double serrated leaf blades, hollow stems, and the nastiest stem rub! I ran him through the ringers for close to a year before making crosses with him .....he's really coming thru in all of them!

 

[Brelva]

What explains weed that has no discernable flavor but still gets you blazed? I've smoked commercial that literally had no flavor but still packed a punch. Are terpenes sort of 'bonus' and not entirely necessary to get high you think?

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

You can get high on THC alone, but that said THC + terpenes do a much better job. Why are there so many different highs reported from Cannabis that basically have only THC? Terpenes.
Your question should be, if the cannabis had terpenes would I get more or stronger effects?
-SamS

 

[Classic Remix]

^^ very true.

i get blasted on a specific OG cut so hard, yet i have NEVER seen it test above 20% (the real cut anyways).... its usually around 16% or so done right... yet it will knock you in the dirt more than any 30%thc strain thats going around today. its about the terpine profile over the thc percentage, cause if its solely thc any 10% will be as affective as 30%, just take 3 hits. but if you have a range of shit active, take three hits of that and you got a lot more than thc. winning.

sym you got the cut i speak of, and we both love her to death.

 

[Mel Frank]

I have a strain that came from some Mexican commercial that had a skunk odor and was fairly strong. It was lightly seeded and I only got one or two seeds to pop. I have had it for over six years now as a clone and it can hold it's own against any of the major top potency strains from Cali. It has a very strong odor when cured, but a little bit of a harsh taste. Excellent yields, easy to clone and quick cycle. Any suggestions on breeding this to try to get close to the original strain?

 

[RandyCalifornia]

Any suggestions on breeding this to try to get close to the original strain?

Hey Mel, if you were the real Mel Frank you'd know the answer to that question.
I'd say cross it with a real good thoroughbred, Oaxacan.

 

[bigherb]

Hey Mel, if you were the real Mel Frank you'd know the answer to that question.
I'd say cross it with a real good thoroughbred, Oaxacan.

lol ,I said to myself the same .The answer is in the question


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